Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

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Well from reading into it, seems like all of NJ, Detroit and Buffalo brass feel they will just run with what they have. And Ottawa has no interest in a goalie that won't resign in Canada.

I think the market for Helle has run dry among those teams for now. We basically are banking on all or some of them faultering early into the season and hitting the panic button.


Or going back to Helle, telling him no contenders are willing to pay him what he’s worth and offering him 7x9.5M
 
Well from reading into it, seems like all of NJ, Detroit and Buffalo brass feel they will just run with what they have. And Ottawa has no interest in a goalie that won't resign in Canada.

I think the market for Helle has run dry among those teams for now. We basically are banking on all or some of them faultering early into the season and hitting the panic button.



Yup, looks like the market has spoken. He can either reup with us or go into the season on a one year deal and hope a team falters and needs him.

But it looks like he is going to have to wait until FA next year to see if he can get what he wants.

It might be the Jets are one of the few teams that will give him what he feels he's owed.
 
Yup, looks like the market has spoken. He can either reup with us or go into the season on a one year deal and hope a team falters and needs him.

But it looks like he is going to have to fair until FA next year to see if he can get what he wants.

It might be the Jets are one of the few teams that will give him what he feels he's owed.

I just really hope he circles back on us and remains a Jet for the rest of his career. Maybe it's not in the best interest of the team long term but as a fan of the player I'd love nothing more than for Helle to retire as a Jet. Jets 2.0 could really use some legacy players to look back on. Our best chance to win a cup will come with him as our 1G.
 
I just really hope he circles back on us and remains a Jet for the rest of his career. Maybe it's not in the best interest of the team long term but as a fan of the player I'd love nothing more than for Helle to retire as a Jet. Jets 2.0 could really use some legacy players to look back on. Our best chance to win a cup will come with him as our 1G.

Well we need someone until one of Milic/DiVincentiis are ready in another 2 to 3 years time if that. I'd be fine with signing him as he'd stabilize what imo is a much deeper team then last year.

Maybe this process is making him realize thar the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.
 
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Well we need someone until one of Milic/DiVincentiis are ready in another 2 to 3 years time if that. I'd be fine with signing him as he'd stabilize what imo is a much deeper team then last year.

Maybe this process is making him realize thar the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.

Yeah we can only hope. I think having Helle between the pipes is best case scenario. The team looks deeper up front, despite having some questions at 2C, there are still a few questions on D but we can make it work for now.
 
Well we need someone until one of Milic/DiVincentiis are ready in another 2 to 3 years time if that. I'd be fine with signing him as he'd stabilize what imo is a much deeper team then last year.

Maybe this process is making him realize thar the grass isn't always greener elsewhere.
Even if we get extremely lucky and one/both of them pan out, the FO is still required to actually put trust into these guys and bring them up as backups at some point for this to work. I'm not saying this to shit on Chevy again, but rather as a reminder that most GMs are f***ing dreadful at taking risks with their young goalies, which can greatly hinder their development towards the show.

I'm not sure if Chevy works that way - he was largely forced into fast-tracking Hellebuyck to the starter role, so he hasn't had to worry about goaltending that much lately - but in general, GMs would rather go with proven and terrible than unproven and potentially not terrible. That's why I would not count on any organisation's goalie prospects, minus the absolutely elite ones like Wallstedt and Askarov who are almost guaranteed to get longer looks.
 
Even if we get extremely lucky and one/both of them pan out, the FO is still required to actually put trust into these guys and bring them up as backups at some point for this to work. I'm not saying this to shit on Chevy again, but rather as a reminder that most GMs are f***ing dreadful at taking risks with their young goalies, which can greatly hinder their development towards the show.

I'm not sure if Chevy works that way - he was largely forced into fast-tracking Hellebuyck to the starter role, so he hasn't had to worry about goaltending that much lately - but in general, GMs would rather go with proven and terrible than unproven and potentially not terrible. That's why I would not count on any organisation's goalie prospects, minus the absolutely elite ones like Wallstedt and Askarov who are almost guaranteed to get longer looks.

I mean the org has been good at advancing goalies to the show. They brought Helle up really well. But they also brought up Hutchinson and gave him a role. They did the same with Comrie when he was ready. I'm not really concerned with goaltenders getting an opportunity here.

Defenseman on the other hand....
 
What would it take to pry Pesce out of Carolina?
Would he re-sign an 8 x 6m deal?
0 interest in acquring Pesce. It would cost us decent assets to acquire, and then we'd also likley have to pay to move a contract like Schmidt or Pionk. But mainly, I have 0 interest in signing a guy to an 8 year deal when at the beginning of the 2024 season he's turning 30. If we were on the cusp, maybe, but IMO the Jets should be focusing on stacking assets in the Perfetti/Vilardi/Barlow/McGroarty/etc wave.
 
I mean the org has been good at advancing goalies to the show. They brought Helle up really well. But they also brought up Hutchinson and gave him a role. They did the same with Comrie when he was ready. I'm not really concerned with goaltenders getting an opportunity here.

Defenseman on the other hand....
Which defensemen?

We've developed plenty. Who have we not?
 
I just really hope he circles back on us and remains a Jet for the rest of his career. Maybe it's not in the best interest of the team long term but as a fan of the player I'd love nothing more than for Helle to retire as a Jet. Jets 2.0 could really use some legacy players to look back on. Our best chance to win a cup will come with him as our 1G.
I would like to keep him as well, especially if the returns out there are not great. But like most other fanbases, I'd much prefer to re-sign him to no more than 6 years. I'm not in love with going 8 years on guys in their 30's, even goalies who can age better.

6 years gives us plenty of time to either acquire or develop our next long term goalie, whether it's DD, TM, or someone else. At the back end of the contract you could hopefully run Helle in a tandem with the "next guy".

I'm also not 100% against a trade, but the return has to be worth it. And we'd have to have a plan to acquire a goalie as everyone in our system is a long way away.

Nothing against Lucius and I hope he develops and is great for us, but this is why I was very interested in drafting Wallstedt as we could see Helle's contract expiring (and there is never a guarantee someone re-signs), and Wallstedt would be very close to playing in the NHL (not at a Helle level, but we wouldn't have to spend big assets to acquire someone else). But if we extend Helle, then drafting Wallstedt wouldn't have been great, so we'll have to see how this plays out.
 
What's up fellas, I write for The Hockey Writers covering the Jets. Put out a piece on why Scheifele and the Jets both would benefit with a trade. Any comments, questions, concerns are always welcome!

Im firmly on the "Scheifele should be dealt" boat, but obviously thats easier said than done. His give-a-shit level over the last couple seasons has been awful when it comes to his defensive play. The first half of last season he was amazing, and then he tuned Bowness out and that was it. The team needs a fresh start and maybe he'll listen to a different coach.

Having said that you absolutely could not go into next season hoping Valardi and/or Perfetti blossoms into a center. If Scheifele is traded there needs to be a NHL centerman coming back. Easier said than done but thats the reality. I dont see it happening. My guess is he ends up staying and signs an extension. Whether or not thats a good thing only time will tell.
 
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Even if we get extremely lucky and one/both of them pan out, the FO is still required to actually put trust into these guys and bring them up as backups at some point for this to work. I'm not saying this to shit on Chevy again, but rather as a reminder that most GMs are f***ing dreadful at taking risks with their young goalies, which can greatly hinder their development towards the show.

I'm not sure if Chevy works that way - he was largely forced into fast-tracking Hellebuyck to the starter role, so he hasn't had to worry about goaltending that much lately - but in general, GMs would rather go with proven and terrible than unproven and potentially not terrible. That's why I would not count on any organisation's goalie prospects, minus the absolutely elite ones like Wallstedt and Askarov who are almost guaranteed to get longer looks.

Let's wait until they have a couple .920+ AHL seasons before worrying about them getting a shot in the NHL

I just really hope he circles back on us and remains a Jet for the rest of his career. Maybe it's not in the best interest of the team long term but as a fan of the player I'd love nothing more than for Helle to retire as a Jet. Jets 2.0 could really use some legacy players to look back on. Our best chance to win a cup will come with him as our 1G.

I totally agree, even if the Jets have to overpay by a million or two it is worth it. I'm hoping the team can have some success this year and convince him to stay, but we'll see
 
I like Pesce, but it seems far-fetched:

1) He has a NTC, and can nix up to 16 teams. He's almost certain to have Wpg on his NT list.
2) I think his best cost/performance days are behind him. His next contract will be very expensive, relative to his performance.
 
What's up fellas, I write for The Hockey Writers covering the Jets. Put out a piece on why Scheifele and the Jets both would benefit with a trade. Any comments, questions, concerns are always welcome!

Hi Skip, I think your article is pretty good, you write well and it's well organized and logical. Interested in seeing some thoughts on what a possible trade with the Bruins would look like.

The only comment I have (and it's not directly at you, I see it everywhere on HF), is that it feels like "everyone just knows" that the Jets locker room hasn't been great, and most seem ok to lay that at the feet of Wheeler and Scheifele. And maybe that's the case, but we also see just as many or more reports (from players and I know it could be media speak), where they talk about liking playing with each other, being sad if the team gets broken up, etc.
It just seems like Jim Bob says something negative about the Jets, and then Jo Blow sees that and also says something about the locker room, and now people are saying, "look at all of these people saying the Jets locker room is bad." Again, I'm not saying there could be issues in the room, but I don't think the Jets room is much different than any other professional sports locker rooms.
 
Which defensemen?

We've developed plenty. Who have we not?

Heinola is the obvious one but Kovacevik wasn't given much of an opportunity and looks to be an NHL dmen for Montreal. You then have the offensive Flair guys like Niku, Gawanke who weren't given much of a look (Yeah I know they have holes in their games). Chisholm has been excellent for two years now in the AHL and has projectable size and skating and he's had only a small cup of coffee and looked good during it.

I think this org hasn't done as good of a job integrating dmen as they have integrating other positional players. They seem to get type cast on wanting a certain thing from most of the dmen they have graduated. That thing is size and snarl as has been seen with 4 of the 5 dmen they integrated (Trouba, Poolman, Snerg, Stanley). They have graduated one puck moving offensive minded dmen in JoMo and he had to morph his game to a defensive dmen to get his shot.
 
Heinola is the obvious one but Kovacevik wasn't given much of an opportunity and looks to be an NHL dmen for Montreal. You then have the offensive Flair guys like Niku, Gawanke who weren't given much of a look (Yeah I know they have holes in their games). Chisholm has been excellent for two years now in the AHL and has projectable size and skating and he's had only a small cup of coffee and looked good during it.

I think this org hasn't done as good of a job integrating dmen as they have integrating other positional players. They seem to get type cast on wanting a certain thing from most of the dmen they have graduated. That thing is size and snarl as has been seen with 4 of the 5 dmen they integrated (Trouba, Poolman, Snerg, Stanley). They have graduated one puck moving offensive minded dmen in JoMo and he had to morph his game to a defensive dmen to get his shot.

Don't forget about Chiarot as well.
 
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Heinola is the obvious one but Kovacevik wasn't given much of an opportunity and looks to be an NHL dmen for Montreal. You then have the offensive Flair guys like Niku, Gawanke who weren't given much of a look (Yeah I know they have holes in their games). Chisholm has been excellent for two years now in the AHL and has projectable size and skating and he's had only a small cup of coffee and looked good during it.

I think this org hasn't done as good of a job integrating dmen as they have integrating other positional players. They seem to get type cast on wanting a certain thing from most of the dmen they have graduated. That thing is size and snarl as has been seen with 4 of the 5 dmen they integrated (Trouba, Poolman, Snerg, Stanley). They have graduated one puck moving offensive minded dmen in JoMo and he had to morph his game to a defensive dmen to get his shot.

Good analysis, agree.

The Jets have developed precisely one full-time D since JMo, and while I'm a fan of Samberg, he's also the most obviously baseline in his skillset. Stanley was given huge opportunity and did little with it, Heinola and Chisholm haven't had much opportunity and have yet to run with it.

The Jets seem to have a fixed idea of what they want in a D -- but have rarely drafted the D they seem to want. If you want Joel Edmundson, draft Joel Edmundson -- or draft Johnny Kovacevic and don't screw it up by waiving him over dime-a-dozen wire fodder like Kyle Capobianco.

If you're drafting Chisholms, Heinolas, Salmos etc., then find a way to optimize their development and integration, or you're throwing away those picks.

It's kinda like the top 6 / bottom six thing. The Jets seem to want to play a game that a) they don't have the personnel for and b) doesn't really exist anymore in the 2023 NHL.

Look at your pegs, then find the proper roster holes for them to best perform.

Don't forget about Chiarot as well.

Sure, but they let other teams realize his value after patiently developing him and giving him opportunities that helped build that value.
 
Hi Skip, I think your article is pretty good, you write well and it's well organized and logical. Interested in seeing some thoughts on what a possible trade with the Bruins would look like.

The only comment I have (and it's not directly at you, I see it everywhere on HF), is that it feels like "everyone just knows" that the Jets locker room hasn't been great, and most seem ok to lay that at the feet of Wheeler and Scheifele. And maybe that's the case, but we also see just as many or more reports (from players and I know it could be media speak), where they talk about liking playing with each other, being sad if the team gets broken up, etc.
It just seems like Jim Bob says something negative about the Jets, and then Jo Blow sees that and also says something about the locker room, and now people are saying, "look at all of these people saying the Jets locker room is bad." Again, I'm not saying there could be issues in the room, but I don't think the Jets room is much different than any other professional sports locker rooms.
Thanks Huffer, I appreciate the kind words.

In regards to the locker room: In order to succeed (and I think this goes without saying), you need to have all hands on deck. I've read far too many times how much Wheeler and Scheifele isolated themselves, and formed themselves a "boys club." With them being the supposed leaders of the club, it's a bad look.

I have no doubt that the boys get along well with each other. I think a lot should be said that guys like Ehlers, Connor, Morrissey, and Lowry all committed to this team for the long term. That's important to recognize.

The reason why Wheeler and Scheifele are constantly at the forefront of the locker room controversy, is because there are too many negative stories that surround them. Look at Laine, Hayes, Eakin, Stastny. Everyone of those stories revolve around those two players. I also don't like how Scheifele has handled himself when he needs to answer for wrongdoings, and I can't imagine that it brings a positive vibe to the team in general.

Whenever there's a disturbance, or an underlying problem that goes unaddressed, it's eventually going to rot. There will be no culture change until you remove the bad seed.
 
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Good analysis, agree.

The Jets have developed precisely one full-time D since JMo, and while I'm a fan of Samberg, he's also the most obviously baseline in his skillset. Stanley was given huge opportunity and did little with it, Heinola and Chisholm haven't had much opportunity and have yet to run with it.

The Jets seem to have a fixed idea of what they want in a D -- but have rarely drafted the D they seem to want. If you want Joel Edmundson, draft Joel Edmundson -- or draft Johnny Kovacevic and don't screw it up by waiving him over dime-a-dozen wire fodder like Kyle Capobianco.

If you're drafting Chisholms, Heinolas, Salmos etc., then find a way to optimize their development and integration, or you're throwing away those picks.

It's kinda like the top 6 / bottom six thing. The Jets seem to want to play a game that a) they don't have the personnel for and b) doesn't really exist anymore in the 2023 NHL.

Look at your pegs, then find the proper roster holes for them to best perform.



Sure, but they let other teams realize his value after patiently developing him and giving him opportunities that helped build that value.

I think part of the disconnect is in the scouting department and Chevy vs. what the coaches love. Mo and Bones have been known to favour the big guys over the smaller guys.
 
Hi Skip, I think your article is pretty good, you write well and it's well organized and logical. Interested in seeing some thoughts on what a possible trade with the Bruins would look like.

The only comment I have (and it's not directly at you, I see it everywhere on HF), is that it feels like "everyone just knows" that the Jets locker room hasn't been great, and most seem ok to lay that at the feet of Wheeler and Scheifele. And maybe that's the case, but we also see just as many or more reports (from players and I know it could be media speak), where they talk about liking playing with each other, being sad if the team gets broken up, etc.
It just seems like Jim Bob says something negative about the Jets, and then Jo Blow sees that and also says something about the locker room, and now people are saying, "look at all of these people saying the Jets locker room is bad." Again, I'm not saying there could be issues in the room, but I don't think the Jets room is much different than any other professional sports locker rooms.
I completely agree with this. I think that if we stop and actually listen to the players, it seems that a lot of the noise around a toxic culture has been amplified from unsubstantiated rumors.

New players like Niederreiter and Namestnikov have openly talked about how much they like the team and the organization.

Older player like Morrissey, Lowry, etc. have emphasized about how the team gets along, and that the negative press is overblown. The piece by Murat about Morrissey's struggles when his Dad was ill, and how Wheeler supported him, are illustrative of what goes on behind the scenes. Evidently, Morrissey and Scheifele get along well on a personal level, based on common social events, etc.

Teams that aren't winning have tensions mount, but I think much of it has been amplified by a few local reporters that dislike Wheeler and Scheifele, and clearly took sides with Laine in his complaints about being relegated to playing with Little.

Even yesterday, Billeck was on WST going on about how the Jets had been too "serious" under Wheeler, and didn't let free spirits like Laine and Ehlers flourish. Actually, I think that it's more likely that the top players expected young players to come to camp in top condition, like the vets were. That's not uncommon. There's no chance that MacKinnon or Bergeron would be happy with young players being casual about training and out of shape.

I think it's great that McGroarty and Barlow are happy-go-lucky and fan-friendly. So were Scheifele and Trouba when they were young / new players. But I also expect the Jets' leadership to retain very high expectations in terms of training and fitness as part of the team culture. I highly doubt that Perfetti, McGroarty, Barlow, Heinola, etc. will have a problem with those expectations.
 
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