None of what you said changes my point.No way Connor could be 6'5, 245 and retain his speed or quickness. Those are his main attributes.
All other things being equal, bigger size helps. But how often does that happen? Part of what made player X good enough to play in the NHL was his size. He used his size to compensate for some weakness elsewhere. Just as smaller players need to find a way to compensate. In the end each player is what he is in part due to his size, large or small.
Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24
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Here is another little bit of a fantasy rebuild of our D corps.
To start Dillon walks. 3.9 mil recovered from last year's cap hit. Keep DeMelo.
Buyout Schmidt. 3.2333 mil cap space saved.
Trade Pionk to Carolina - 50% retention, 2.9375 mil recovered. Return of 5th + negotiation rights for Pesce and Skjei. Use the recovered cap space (10.07 mil) to help sign Pesce & Skjei. Need to find a little more cap space somewhere.
We still have Ehlers at this point. Trade him for futures and cap space.
Morrissey - DeMelo
Skjei - Pesce
Samberg - Heinola
To start Dillon walks. 3.9 mil recovered from last year's cap hit. Keep DeMelo.
Buyout Schmidt. 3.2333 mil cap space saved.
Trade Pionk to Carolina - 50% retention, 2.9375 mil recovered. Return of 5th + negotiation rights for Pesce and Skjei. Use the recovered cap space (10.07 mil) to help sign Pesce & Skjei. Need to find a little more cap space somewhere.
We still have Ehlers at this point. Trade him for futures and cap space.
Morrissey - DeMelo
Skjei - Pesce
Samberg - Heinola
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That's what happens when you miss the playoffs for 6 straight years as a bad team and they're still facing at least 2 more before they're playoff relevant again.
Also not your post, but I'm immediately dismissing as not happening, any offseason fantasy GMing that includes us signing either one of Skjei or Pesce let alone both.
i can see maybe pesce. i think that tier of player would not scoff at WPG (ie: nino, stastny re-signing in recent years - although they were already here & experienced the market. & then consider dillon, demelo or monahan's willingness to re-sign).
Skjei i think may be a higher tier & probably will get a lot more attractive offers. however, overall i think demelo will be the Jets' 1st choice for RD over Pesce, and i doubt anything happens to Pionk. So your top-4 RDs are likely set.
Utah has no dmen signed and 3 RFAs. if the Jets want to move one of Pionk or Schmidt (not something i am predicting) they could be a team that might rather take on one of the contracts for solely 1 year, rather than multi-year deals in UFA for a not-so-good class
Skjei i think may be a higher tier & probably will get a lot more attractive offers. however, overall i think demelo will be the Jets' 1st choice for RD over Pesce, and i doubt anything happens to Pionk. So your top-4 RDs are likely set.
Utah has no dmen signed and 3 RFAs. if the Jets want to move one of Pionk or Schmidt (not something i am predicting) they could be a team that might rather take on one of the contracts for solely 1 year, rather than multi-year deals in UFA for a not-so-good class
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True.
OTOH, 10th isn't enough. What are the odds the 10th ever matches Ehlers? If so, when?
That sounds like something Buffalo would do.
can't see the devils moving that pick for ehlers. GMs are always open to trade top-10 picks it seems but barely happens.
their priority should probably be for a goalie, ie: Saros. or a lesser package for Ullmark. but they seem pretty set on fwd.
their priority should probably be for a goalie, ie: Saros. or a lesser package for Ullmark. but they seem pretty set on fwd.
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i can see maybe pesce. i think that tier of player would not scoff at WPG (ie: nino, stastny re-signing in recent years - although they were already here & experienced the market. & then consider dillon, demelo or monahan's willingness to re-sign).
Skjei i think may be a higher tier & probably will get a lot more attractive offers. however, overall i think demelo will be the Jets' 1st choice for RD over Pesce, and i doubt anything happens to Pionk. So your top-4 RDs are likely set.
Utah has no dmen signed and 3 RFAs. if the Jets want to move one of Pionk or Schmidt (not something i am predicting) they could be a team that might rather take on one of the contracts for solely 1 year, rather than multi-year deals in UFA for a not-so-good class
I could see them pursuing DeMelo if he gets to free agency. Him and Montour. They got some big boys on the way on the backend but they are a few years away.
My guess is they also try to plunder Vegas for players using all those 2nds they have as ammo
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Every year we hear about how GMs are open to trading their pick and then they end up at the podium on draft day. It's just a hype machine at this point.
Luckiest fn frachise in the league.
Gretzky and Messier
McDavid and Draisatl
10th is not enough IMO.
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When was the last time a top 10 pick was traded for a player of Ehler's age (let alone contract status)?
Ehler's value to us isn't the same as it would be to a young team that is bad enough to end up with the 10th pick
Lemieux and Jagr
Crosby and Malkin
Both franchises have 5 cups. I prefer the Edmonton-guys (as players), but it's a perfect counterargument.
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Likely they are open but the asking price is probably too high for other GMs to deal.
Who would turn down a top 10 pick for, say, McDavid or Bedard?
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It's an interesting relative value question regarding the 2024 10th OA pick; and Trevor Zegras, a former 9th overall pick who is on a decent contract one year away from RFA; and Nikolaj Ehlers, a former 9th overall pick who is on a decent contract one year away from UFA.
edit: intangibles aside, Zegras has to be worth most
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Why do we think Brossoit is going to be a sought after starter? I think he'll likely end up somewhere where he's a tandem at best. He's over 30 and never played more than 24 games in a season.
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People are funny when valuing their own assets. Not sure why (sentimental?) but we develop biases towards what we have
For example... people saying that 10 OA isn't enough for Ehlers. Would you trade the rest of Ehler's carreer, including its inevitable decline, for the first 9 years of his career? Of course you would
i don't think UFA signing rights are worth much. for goalies Bishop went for a 4th rd pick in early May 2017 for Dallas to get a head-start on signing him. i can't think of any thing else more recent than that. idk how many teams see Brossoit as a for-sure starter either.
OK, 2 luckiest franchises in hockey.
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Obviously, except the chance of a 10th ovr pick being as good as Ehlers is 50/50 at best.
Draft picks are often overrated in comparison to actual players.
That being said, makes no sense for NJ to trade 10 for Ehlers. It is not what they need at all.
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not much coming from pagnotta, most likely outcome is an ehlers trade but anyone could guess that
Maybe it's just me, but the Jets could do worse than using $3.5M in cap hit for Brossoit, all things considered. Having at top-grade back-up goalie to fill in 25 games, along with a hedge against injury, isn't a bad use of cap space. Also, Brossoit would still have trade value in a couple of years if the Jets have another back-up option. Right now, goalies are at a premium, and the Jets have no good back-up option in their prospect pipeline at this point.
Last season, Brossoit provide more GAR:WAR value than every skater on the Jets last season.
Last season, Brossoit provide more GAR:WAR value than every skater on the Jets last season.
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