Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Maukkis]

Scheif 7 x 8.25m front loaded.
Helle 5 x 9.2m.
Samberg 5 x 4m.
Vilardi 6 x 5.5m.

Pay to dump Schmidt and admit your mistake.

Even if the former two would only kick in in 2024, I'm pretty sure that won't fit under the cap this year. We cannot go long-term with both Samberg and Vilardi, and even one might be difficult.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Trade Hellebuyck. Keep 55.

6 x 9 for Scheifele

In the Helle deal, take futures if needed, no major cap on a goalie coming back, trade Harkins or Stanley or both for a goalie to share games with bro.

In net spend less than 5 million

 

[robertocarlos]

Trade Hellebuyck. Keep 55.

6 x 9 for Scheifele

In the Helle deal, take futures if needed, no major cap on a goalie coming back, trade Harkins or Stanley or both for a goalie to share games with bro.

In net spend less than 5 million

That makes the most sense.

 

[ERYX]

There is some concern for sure as far as Chefs next contract but we seem to be wanting to at least remain competitive so I have a feeling Chevy is trying to get a deal done with Scheif otherwise the C spot is looking pretty rough going forwards.

If Scheif stays then hopefully best case scenario is we lock him up for 6 years max term at around $8.5m

Not sure how realistic that is but it's the best case scenario for keeping him I think.

If the rumours are true that there's little to no interest in the trade market for Scheif at $6 mil, hopefully this is a wakeup call to him that he needs to adjust his attitude/effort/commitment to defence and also that he's maybe not worth as much as he thinks he is. If he was really a $9-10 million player earning $6 teams would be breaking down the doors trying to trade for him.

I still find it so hard to believe that Wheeler was the problem, but Scheif did play better when Wheels was so who knows. I guess I'll try to keep an open mind.

 

[Whileee]

6 x 9.17M = 55M for Scheifele?

 

[ERYX]

Does Scheifele even want to stay?

If the rumours are true that there's been little-to-no interest in trading for him, the smart play would to be re-up with Chevy for a loyalty overpayment than to risk not getting what he wants in UFA.

 

[Daximus]

The only people who don't want him is the HF Jets board.
It really is funny you want an offensive scoring center but you want him to play defense first ... its a catch 22.

I want Scheif to stay.

If the rumours are true that there's little to no interest in the trade market for Scheif at $6 mil, hopefully this is a wakeup call to him that he needs to adjust his attitude/effort/commitment to defence and also that he's maybe not worth as much as he thinks he is. If he was really a $9-10 million player earning $6 teams would be breaking down the doors trying to trade for him.

I still find it so hard to believe that Wheeler was the problem, but Scheif did play better when Wheels was so who knows. I guess I'll try to keep an open mind.

I don't think it's that there is no interest in him as a player.

I think a bunch of teams would offer him a long term contract if he was a UFA this year.

Where the lack of interest comes from is paying us in assets AND THEN paying him on top of that.

 

[Whileee]

If the rumours are true that there's been little-to-no interest in trading for him, the smart play would to be re-up with Chevy for a loyalty overpayment than to risk not getting what he wants in UFA.

I think the Jets can afford a bit of an overpay on a "legacy" contract for Scheifele. I think he might retain his performance better and for longer than Wheeler, since he relies a lot on his puck skills and finishing. Players like Giroux and Pavelski have sustained their offensive performance as they've aged. I could see Scheifele maintaining enough fitness to stay effective into his mid-30s.

 

[WpgSteve]

I'd be ok with a legacy contract for Scheif. I might feel differently if we had a bunch of stars coming up on ELCs to sign, but we don't.

It would save me having to buy a new jersey.

 

[Heldig]

Trade Hellebuyck. Keep 55.

6 x 9 for Scheifele

In the Helle deal, take futures if needed, no major cap on a goalie coming back, trade Harkins or Stanley or both for a goalie to share games with bro.

In net spend less than 5 million

5 or 6 years for Scheifele makes a lot of sense. Give him a good 2 way guy on his wing (Iafollo) and see if he rejuvenates his 2 way game.

 

[Buffdog]

I realize this isn't the smartest way to run a franchise, BUT....

We've underpaid Schief for his last deal. I have no problem with a slight overpay on his next one

I think things like that might matter to players. Winnipeg will never be known as a geographically desired market, but having word out that the organization is fair to their players and looks after them can't hurt.

 

[10Ducky10]

Even if the former two would only kick in in 2024, I'm pretty sure that won't fit under the cap this year. We cannot go long-term with both Samberg and Vilardi, and even one might be difficult.

It definitely would if Schmidt were moved.

JMo DD
Samberg Pionk
Dillon Heinola/Capo

How much do we lose by inserting Heinola for Schmidt?
How much do we gain?

Pionk's AAV is 5.875m but his actual salary is 7.5m and 6m which makes him really hard to move.

 

[Maukkis]

It definitely would if Schmidt were moved.

JMo DD
Samberg Pionk
Dillon Heinola/Capo

How much do we lose by inserting Heinola for Schmidt?
How much do we gain?

Pionk's AAV is 5.875m but his actual salary is 7.5m and 6m which makes him really hard to move.

We would lose our first next year by moving Schmidt, that's for sure. As for on the ice, we'll have to wait and see. Probably not much at all, because Schmidt really doesn't have a spot in the top 4 anymore.

Boy, those 2021 trades to improve the defense are not looking very hot right now.

 

[ecolad]

I think the Jets can afford a bit of an overpay on a "legacy" contract for Scheifele. I think he might retain his performance better and for longer than Wheeler, since he relies a lot on his puck skills and finishing. Players like Giroux and Pavelski have sustained their offensive performance as they've aged. I could see Scheifele maintaining enough fitness to stay effective into his mid-30s

I`m not at all sold on the notion that the Jets should resign Scheifele at all - nevermind to a legacy contract. I see the current situation as a real opportunity for the org to go in a fundamentally different direction - essentially moving away from the standard top line down approach to a more balanced four line approach, with each of the lines fully committed to aggressive two-way 200 foot hockey.(similar to the approach utilized by the Seattle Kracken with great success this past season). Scheifele , for all his goal scoring talent, is not needed to make such team concept work and in fact, is the antithesis of the type of C wanted. He has shown little ability to control the on ice play, and to make his linemates better ; his faceoff winning % is marginal; and his commitment to a 200 foot game is well below average. Notice that I have avoided framing any of this as a problem of effort or attitude.

I appreciate how difficult it would be to replace Scheifele`s goal production but think that things could more than balance out with a changed TEAM approach ( 4 lines with acceptable but not outstanding GF and with reduced GA), Maybe wishful thinking but it would depend very much on the ability to target a good young C with the requisite attributes and secure him with the resources freed up by the release of Scheif and/or Helle.

 

[surixon]

I`m not at all sold on the notion that the Jets should resign Scheifele at all - nevermind to a legacy contract. I see the current situation as a real opportunity for the org to go in a fundamentally different direction - essentially moving away from the standard top line down approach to a more balanced four line approach, with each of the lines fully committed to aggressive two-way 200 foot hockey.(similar to the approach utilized by the Seattle Kracken with great success this past season). Scheifele , for all his goal scoring talent, is not needed to make such team concept work and in fact, is the antithesis of the type of C wanted. He has shown little ability to control the on ice play, and to make his linemates better ; his faceoff winning % is marginal; and his commitment to a 200 foot game is well below average. Notice that I have avoided framing any of this as a problem of effort or attitude.

I appreciate how difficult it would be to replace Scheifele`s goal production but think that things could more than balance out with a changed TEAM approach ( 4 lines with acceptable but not outstanding GF and with reduced GA), Maybe wishful thinking but it would depend very much on the ability to target a good young C with the requisite attributes and secure him with the resources freed up by the release of Scheif and/or Helle.

Could they not do a four line approach with him.
I'd imagine it would be much harder to do something like this without him.

I'm also not sold it work long term for Seattle. Even Vegas went out and got elite talent to go with the depth.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

The coach played Scheifele (and PLD and Connor) more down the stretch, after his critique of their play. I'm not sure how that's consistent.

Scheifele lacks awareness and skill defensively, but I think the narrative about his lack of effort is overblown. Watch Draisaitl play and you'll see plenty of shifts where he cheats offensively and doesn't bust it defensively. Same with MacKinnon and a lot of top offensive players.

On the Jets, no forward has been more inept defensively than Connor, but he rarely gets criticized, and certainly not to the point of running him out of town, and yet he makes well above Scheifele in salary.

Regarding Bowness, I am not sold on his coaching system or style, period. When he clashed with Scheifele, it was about style. Bowness likes a dump and chase, and at that point he just wanted more shots. Scheifele plays a more possession game, so they clashed at a time when the team stopped scoring (despite increasing shot attempts and expected goals, overall). Note that he also didn't like Ehlers' "east-west" style, and pushed him down to 3rd line minutes late in the season. I thought Bowness lost the plot, and I'm concerned about his coaching as the Jets try to bring in more skilled, possession players like Perfetti and Valardi. Bowness will want them to play like Saku and Appleton. Note that in the last 35 Jets games, Ehlers got less ice-time per game than Appleton, while Scheifele, Connor and PLD had their ice time increased down the stretch (funny way for Bowness to show his disgust).

I predict that fans and pundits (and players) tire of Bowness' approach in the next season or two. I'm already losing confidence.

Pretty sure there's more to the story with Ehlers ice time rather than Bowness 'doesn't like him' - the guy missed half the season due to a sports hernia. Our scoring dried up when Perfetti got hurt and we basically had one scoring line left - of course they got more minutes.

We can agree to disagree about Scheif - the comparable players you list all have the capability to change a game on their own and both of them consistently do that - Scheif has not taken this team on his back for a long long time. Morrissey does, PLD did until he quit at xmas...

Vilardi is a 200' player already who also can score - if he succeeded in LA's system, he will be fine with Bowness.

All I know is that a legacy contract for Scheif will handcuff this teams for years - it would have to be a major overpay to get him to stay - its been 3-4 years where he looks like someone shit in his cornflakes. He can go.

 

[trebendan]

Is Zadina worth a waiver claim?

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Is Zadina worth a waiver claim?

I would, why not?

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Is Zadina worth a waiver claim?

I'd stay away, I don't want to give him 1.8mil a year with our RFAs yet to sign. I don't know where he slots in up front either, we have pretty good depth there now

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

The only people who don't want him is the HF Jets board.
It really is funny you want an offensive scoring center but you want him to play defense first ... its a catch 22.

Think that's the case? I wouldn't be surprised if Bones had some words for Chevy about not being upset if 55 wasn't here this year. And there are scoring centers that are also defensively responsible. But people are all worried about losing that scoring, even though he's on the ice for a lot more goals against than for. I'm sure in Scheifele's mind, goals for are his doing, and goals against are someone else's fault. Sort of, hey I was nowhere near the guy that scored, how can it be my fault?

f***, if he's still here this season, that's another lost year for me. If the worst happens and he extends, this team might as well be in Houston. I can't support any team that he's a part of. I will never be one of those "it's the name on the front, not the name on the back" guys. All it takes is one guy whose loathing on my part burns with the heat of a thousand suns to kill my desire for cheering them on.

 

[DRW204]

I`m not at all sold on the notion that the Jets should resign Scheifele at all - nevermind to a legacy contract. I see the current situation as a real opportunity for the org to go in a fundamentally different direction - essentially moving away from the standard top line down approach to a more balanced four line approach, with each of the lines fully committed to aggressive two-way 200 foot hockey.(similar to the approach utilized by the Seattle Kracken with great success this past season). Scheifele , for all his goal scoring talent, is not needed to make such team concept work and in fact, is the antithesis of the type of C wanted. He has shown little ability to control the on ice play, and to make his linemates better ; his faceoff winning % is marginal; and his commitment to a 200 foot game is well below average. Notice that I have avoided framing any of this as a problem of effort or attitude.

I appreciate how difficult it would be to replace Scheifele`s goal production but think that things could more than balance out with a changed TEAM approach ( 4 lines with acceptable but not outstanding GF and with reduced GA), Maybe wishful thinking but it would depend very much on the ability to target a good young C with the requisite attributes and secure him with the resources freed up by the release of Scheif and/or Helle.

Except Seattle also had their own 40+ goal scorer on their team too? removing scheifele equates to removing your most dangerous scorer in the POs, along w/ his regular season prowess, and this team has shown they're incapable of doing anything w/o scheifele in the line-up when it matters most in the post-season.

the guy was playing w/ the likes of appleton, kuhlman or gagner the first half of the year and notching 40+ goals, including 24 in the 1st half. he was setting his linemates up at some of the highest rates (comparable to that of J. Hughes, Panarin and other top NHL playmakers) but line-mates could not finish. Can't control play? he had the highest share of individual-to-on-ice GF at 5v5 hockey on the team, and one of the highest in the NHL. seems to me he finishes the plays way beyond the abilities of his line-mates & the rest of the team.

despite himself finishing plays again at an otherworldly rate - shooting a super efficient 20% (5v5), his overall on-ice sh% was still middle-of-the-pack of the team. removing scheifele's individual GF/shot contributions his linemates shot a prosperous 5.94% & scored with a -11.76 in GF vs xGF no wonder why his assist numbers were way low this season.

idk how people watched this team last year, or reviewed their league-wide scoring or defensive and GA stats/rankings and conclude the problem is defending/GA?

at 5v5/all-strengths per 60:
xGF; 12th/13th
GF; 23rd/21st

xGA: 13th/15th
GA; 8th/11th

they have a finishing problem. it's been like that for the past couple years. im not convinced that removing your best finisher will net out better in GF vs GA. the true problem IMO is this team puts scheifele-connor together frequently. both are not great defensively and they decide to stack them together. keep scheifele and KC away from each other (both were positives in net-offense when apart) and should be fine.

add nino for a full season, ehlers as well. fingers crossed that one of Vilardi or Perfetti can be a 60+ pt 2C and the fwd group is fine.

re-signing scheifele ultimately depends on the contract demands, and who the alternatives may be at 1C that can carry the load.

this team should - if healthy - should now have 10+ 10-goal scorers with 5+ 20-goal scorers and probably 1-2 40+ goal scorers, which will be similar to SEA's goal-scoring spread.

 

[ecolad]

Could they not do a four line approach with him.
I'd imagine it would be much harder to do something like this without him.

I'm also not sold it work long term for Seattle. Even Vegas went out and got elite talent to go with the depth.

You `ve ignored the key descriptor i used - four balanced lines, each of which is fully committed to aggressive two-way 200 foot hockey.

You may perhaps consider Scheifele to be an elite talent but he is still the antithesis of the type of C contemplated with this approach. Think instead of the extreme best fit example - Patrice Bergeron. Do you perhaps know where we can pick up someone young like him

 

[gojetsgo]

I would, why not?

makes 1.8 and most likely doesn't make the team

 

[Daximus]

Could they not do a four line approach with him.
I'd imagine it would be much harder to do something like this without him.

I'm also not sold it work long term for Seattle. Even Vegas went out and got elite talent to go with the depth.

This this and so much this,

Vegas realized that it takes elite talent to win. Just like every single other winner over the last forever. No team wins on depth alone and never has.

Depth can get you to the playoffs, elite talent gets you over the edge and vice versa. You need both to win. Have one or the other and you will not win a Cup period.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

The talk of $9m for six years of Scheif seems crazy - so age 31-37 basically half your contract is a massive decline in play - maybe more

If you're throwing that contract around give it to Helle

This this and so much this,

Vegas realized that it takes elite talent to win. Just like every single other winner over the last forever. No team wins on depth alone and never has.

Depth can get you to the playoffs, elite talent gets you over the edge and vice versa. You need both to win. Have one or the other and you will not win a Cup period.

Vegas realized you need LTIR to win...