Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

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Mad Dog Tannen

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When you look up the marshmallow test, be sure to read "marshmallow test debunked".


Carolina going all in - incoming.
 

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If the VGK make another huge move before the deadline to stack their team and they happen to go on and win the SC again with a lineup well north of 100m well that's on the owners for allowing it.

Apparently the other 31 owners are just fine with Vegas getting more than its share of everything - including Cups. Probably about 10 of them think they can do the same and also get more than their share, but just haven't quite managed to pull it off yet. But what about the other 21?
 

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These proposals are all too complicated. They should just eliminate trade protection entirely. Lock the players out until they sign it.
That's why I put 2 options.
It's pretty simple ... either players play for benefits or the teams that lose out because of their geography get benefits.
The NFL has no problem giving extra picks to teams who lose their players ... why can't it work for the NHL.
 

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I still think there's a deal with Philly cooking. No idea what it is but it just seems like there's something there.
 

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The league could attach a cap value to NTC/NMCs. Arguably, since teams are using these clauses as part of a player's compensation, it should count against the cap.

Say a percentage of the cap per year, so the value wouldn't inflate away with cap increases. 1.5% for a full NMC (currently that would be $1.25M), 1.25% for a full NTC ($1.04M), 1% for a partial NTC of 10 or fewer teams ($835,000).

Players could (at their option) waive their clause before the season begins and the team would get that much extra cap space back. They could waive later in the season but there'd be no cap relief for their team or the team they're traded to for that year.

This would put downward pressure on salaries...but since no actual salary dollars are changing hands, the players would end up paying less escrow. You'd definitely see fewer NMCs and NTCs.

Players would never agree. They like their trade protections. They will be trying to increase, not decrease them.

The owners can easily vote in any off-season to apply the cap during the playoffs - very simple fix... for this loophole at least

That being said salary retention is kind of a problem now too

I'm not quite certain but I think that would require renegotiating the CBA with the players. I agree it is the way to go to prevent the current abuse of the cap but the owners can't just do it on their own.
 

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I think it is extremely unlikely that Andersson is available. Just look at the D corps Flames have left. Though you never know for sure. That is a tank worthy D corps now. Maybe they decide to go all the way with the tank.

High 2nd + Ville + Stan + Schmidt
Hope we don't run into any D injuries because our depth is gone. :laugh: Maybe we can still grab a depth D or 2.
You would have to add at least a 1st and Lucius for them not to hang up on you.
 
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I always liked the TDL as interesting stuff happens and it is fun to discuss. And IMO Chevy is good at it. He mostly makes off the radar moves that have a net benefit and rarely makes dumb ass overpays. Last year’s TDL got us 2 important parts of this team both extended for very little cost.
It's also tough for Chevy because we have no wifi in Winnipeg.:naughty:
 

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I think it is extremely unlikely that Andersson is available. Just look at the D corps Flames have left. Though you never know for sure. That is a tank worthy D corps now. Maybe they decide to go all the way with the tank.

High 2nd + Ville + Stan + Schmidt
Hope we don't run into any D injuries because our depth is gone. :laugh: Maybe we can still grab a depth D or 2.
Conroy seems to like Russians. Send them Kuzmin, Rashevsky and a pick.
 
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The problem with the marshmallow test in this case is that we don't get 2 Stanley Cups if we hold onto our 2nd or 3rd round pick, especially on a team that has only converted 1 second round pick over the last 14 years to an NHL player (Samberg)

In fact, until we kidnap or bribe Dallas's scouts to come over, we'd be better off trading our 2nd or 3rd round pick every single year for an effective NHL player that we can re-sign. (Nino, Namestnikov, Dillon, etc.)

That's not exactly what the marshmallow test is about though. It is just about self-control. Don't rush out and overpay for a shiny new toy. It is not selling the idea that waiting will always get you more. But controlling your emotions and acting rationally will. Which meshes perfectly with the bolded.

These proposals are all too complicated. They should just eliminate trade protection entirely. Lock the players out until they sign it.

Agree these proposals are to complicated .... and contrived.

:laugh: I doubt I would live to the end of that lockout.
 

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I'm probably 60/40 for, for getting a player at the deadline . Obviously it depends on how much you are giving up to what you are getting but just using the Jets as a example i think Monahan has definitely helped us and made us a little better especially the PP . Stastny , Neo , Namestnikov all good adds but the flip side is a Hayes deal and losing picks that may or may not have turned into good players . I am leaning towards we should add a little more this deadline just because this team is very good and with the right addition who knows what we could do this playoffs.

I think we still need an add to our top 6. That could be Nino if we got a 3LW to replace him. 1) The 2nd line has not really worked all year and it still doesn't. NOT Perfetti's fault, IMO. 2) Vilardi is out for an uncertain time. Even if he comes back immediately, how long until his next injury? Toffoli and Guentzel are about all that is left. Guentzel will cost too much, so .... Toffoli it is. Or is there another candidate?

And I think we need a depth RHD. I bet we could get Kovy back cheaply.
 

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I always liked the TDL as interesting stuff happens and it is fun to discuss. And IMO Chevy is good at it. He mostly makes off the radar moves that have a net benefit and rarely makes dumb ass overpays. Last year’s TDL got us 2 important parts of this team both extended for very little cost.
I find it interesting, but honestly I don't know enough about all the players that could be available and what their cost would be, to be more than just interested.

I always look forward to any announcements though!
 

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That doesn’t mean they didn’t happen but rather new research has cast some doubt on its validity. Doesn’t make it less interesting.

The point about the value of self-control is unchanged. Only the predictive power of a test of 4-5 year olds self-control in debunked.

I still think there's a deal with Philly cooking. No idea what it is but it just seems like there's something there.

It was probably about Walker.

You would have to add at least a 1st and Lucius for them not to hang up on you.

Probably - but they have to be pretty desperate for young D with a pulse. :laugh:
 

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Ok I just had a thought. Off season stuff.
Monahan is a UFA at season end correct?
He has been great and performed well IMO.
If re-signing him meant moving on from Connor or Ehlers.
I think I would do that. (Be gentle)
 

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Ok I just had a thought. Off season stuff.
Monahan is a UFA at season end correct?
He has been great and performed well IMO.
If re-signing him meant moving on from Connor or Ehlers.
I think I would do that. (Be gentle)
Sounds like you are in the majority in moving on from Connor. You're opinion will not be popular about moving on from Ehlers.
 

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Ok I just had a thought. Off season stuff.
Monahan is a UFA at season end correct?
He has been great and performed well IMO.
If re-signing him meant moving on from Connor or Ehlers.
I think I would do that. (Be gentle)
Ehlers and Connors has their warts but as long as they can still score I m keeping them
They are younger than Monohan
We can still sign Monohan and keep Ehlers/Connors
If it’s a matter salaries. The overpaid ones to move
Jets can move Iafallo and Schmidt salaries
 

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Avs look like they are rebuilding their team the most Got more bottom 6 players. Supposedly a new goalie in the works according to TSN crew
 
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