Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[bustamente]

If the VGK make another huge move before the deadline to stack their team and they happen to go on and win the SC again with a lineup well north of 100m well that's on the owners for allowing it.

 

[surixon]

So has Vegas traded for Crosby yet for a 1st in 2030 but only if they win the Cup , then it's a 7th this year ? No, Maybe tomorrow on deadline day.

I heard they also have something lined up for Ovie.

 

[Gm0ney]

I will be celebrating Bettman’s retirement/firing/arrest/death. Whatever comes first.

Unless the f***er is still in charge when I’m dead

He's the guy who brought in the salary cap in the first place!

 

[ps241]

Looking forward to the trade deadline passing.

Hockey trades I quite enjoy, rentals on the other hand don't do it for me.

 

[Gm0ney]

guess trading mtl's 2nd and a prospect would cripple this franchise

Exactly. The Jets are tied for 2nd in the NHL in points%, have a +42 goal differential, Hellebuyck is having a Vezina season, they're top 10 in all the fancystats...but let's keep our powder dry, because how good might this team be in 3 years with Colby Barlow on the 3rd line?

 

[Gm0ney]

It'll never happen. The PA wants the player to have more control over their future and the owners want the teams in those markets that aren't on NTCs to be successful.

The league could attach a cap value to NTC/NMCs. Arguably, since teams are using these clauses as part of a player's compensation, it should count against the cap.

Say a percentage of the cap per year, so the value wouldn't inflate away with cap increases. 1.5% for a full NMC (currently that would be $1.25M), 1.25% for a full NTC ($1.04M), 1% for a partial NTC of 10 or fewer teams ($835,000).

Players could (at their option) waive their clause before the season begins and the team would get that much extra cap space back. They could waive later in the season but there'd be no cap relief for their team or the team they're traded to for that year.

This would put downward pressure on salaries...but since no actual salary dollars are changing hands, the players would end up paying less escrow. You'd definitely see fewer NMCs and NTCs.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

The Vegas LTIR bs is nauseating. We can't expect TNSE to be Vegas but if we go into the playoffs with Logan Stanley as our #7, we deserve to lose.

 

[WolfHouse]

The owners can easily vote in any off-season to apply the cap during the playoffs - very simple fix... for this loophole at least

That being said salary retention is kind of a problem now too

 

[Jets]

The league could attach a cap value to NTC/NMCs. Arguably, since teams are using these clauses as part of a player's compensation, it should count against the cap.

Say a percentage of the cap per year, so the value wouldn't inflate away with cap increases. 1.5% for a full NMC (currently that would be $1.25M), 1.25% for a full NTC ($1.04M), 1% for a partial NTC of 10 or fewer teams ($835,000).

Players could (at their option) waive their clause before the season begins and the team would get that much extra cap space back. They could waive later in the season but there'd be no cap relief for their team or the team they're traded to for that year.

This would put downward pressure on salaries...but since no actual salary dollars are changing hands, the players would end up paying less escrow. You'd definitely see fewer NMCs and NTCs.

I don't see them removing NTCs or limiting them. If a team like Vegas or Dallas can include a NTC as an extra carrot to sign all the top FAs, and the only downside to them is that the Winnipegs and Buffalos of the league lose out, you can bet the 2/3rds of the league it benefits will vote to keep it this way.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

The owners can easily vote in any off-season to apply the cap during the playoffs - very simple fix... for this loophole at least

That being said salary retention is kind of a problem now too

Apparently only 2 teams were pushing for the playoff cap and nobody else wanted it Strange, if true.

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Kessels available but he likely will sign with the Canucks by Friday

 

[WolfHouse]

Apparently only 2 teams were pushing for the playoff cap and nobody else wanted it Strange, if true.

They probably looked at the valuation of Tampa and Vegas before and after winning the cup and realized that they all want to circumvent the cap within the next ten years

 

[raideralex99]

How about this if a player wants a NTC for certain teams he has to paid for it.
One team is free.
2-4 teams is $100,000
5-9 team is $200,000
10-15 teams is $500,000
Or
Lets says there’s 50 players who have the Jets on the NT list … the Jets should be able to get an increase on the team salary cap.
10 players gets $1,000,000 bonus
15 players gets $2,000,000 bonus
20 players gets $4,000,000 bonus
That would even the playing field

 

[Maukkis]

How about this if a player wants a NTC for certain teams he has to paid for it.
One team is free.
2-4 teams is $100,000
5-9 team is $200,000
10-15 teams is $500,000
Or
Lets says there’s 50 players who have the Jets on the NT list … the Jets should be able to get an increase on the team salary cap.
10 players gets $1,000,000 bonus
15 players gets $2,000,000 bonus
20 players gets $4,000,000 bonus
That would even the playing field

Nobody in that negotiation table is going to entertain this idea, most likely not in any capacity. Players want to choose their destination, and teams are OK with it (and certainly not OK with footing the bill for those NTC payments).

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[WolfHouse]

Finally a trade that kind of makes sense haha

 

[jetsmooseice]

Nobody in that negotiation table is going to entertain this idea, most likely not in any capacity. Players want to choose their destination, and teams are OK with it (and certainly not OK with footing the bill for those NTC payments).

The Jets aren't the only team that gets the short end of the NTC stick, though.

I'm not saying the practice has to be ended completely as I agree there wouldn't be an appetite for that, just that there is a need for some limitations beyond what already exists.

 

[Gm0ney]

Treliving is a genius!

 

[tbcwpg]

The league could attach a cap value to NTC/NMCs. Arguably, since teams are using these clauses as part of a player's compensation, it should count against the cap.

Say a percentage of the cap per year, so the value wouldn't inflate away with cap increases. 1.5% for a full NMC (currently that would be $1.25M), 1.25% for a full NTC ($1.04M), 1% for a partial NTC of 10 or fewer teams ($835,000).

Players could (at their option) waive their clause before the season begins and the team would get that much extra cap space back. They could waive later in the season but there'd be no cap relief for their team or the team they're traded to for that year.

This would put downward pressure on salaries...but since no actual salary dollars are changing hands, the players would end up paying less escrow. You'd definitely see fewer NMCs and NTCs.

That's a good idea but I don't see the league or players incentivized to change NMCs or NTCs at all.

 

[gojetsgo]

expects more tweaking
said adding nino/names showed we can improve our team without it costing a ton
called it a buyers market, might not need to spend a lot to find new additions

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Nobody in that negotiation table is going to entertain this idea, most likely not in any capacity. Players want to choose their destination, and teams are OK with it (and certainly not OK with footing the bill for those NTC payments).

Agreed. The player movement and contract terms play a pretty minor role in the overall CBA negotiations. They are mostly used as carrots and sticks by the owners to get players to agree take less total money.

Owners Offer: ELC's will be 6 years instead of 3 and max contract term is 5 years. Players will become free agents at 35. Concessions sales are not to be included in hockey related revenue. Player's percentage of revenue will be reduced from 50% to 40%.

They will give up everything on that list to get anything close to the last one.

 

[Cypruss]

Another LHD for Toronto. Mostly a 3rd pairing guy. A third and fifth seems a bit steep, but must mean that GIO and Timmins wont be back this season for them.

 

[ps241]

Once I let go of being mad or trying to educate people about deadline madness I just realized I could sit back and enjoy the show.

Keep it coming, boys

Pass the popcorn Jet, the annual fan panic/excitement/frenzy on all boards including ours is fun to observe.

 

[surixon]

Beauvillier just went for a 5th. Can likely get a decent winger for a mid round pick.

 

[scarbrow]

Anyone else hearing rumors about Jets acquiring Duclair for mid pick?