Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[WolfHouse]

Thank God we didn't end up with Lyubushkin. Not only do we not need any extra defensemen, seeing as we lost one on waivers, but Lyubushkin would have been by far the worst of them all.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

What’s the story with Perfetti? Was really high on him as a C. Has he played any Center this year? Looks like he’s put up decent numbers in minimal ice time. Does Bowness just have it out for him or does he have serious flaws?

Any chance Chevy would look to deal him?

 

[gojetsgo]

What’s the story with Perfetti? Was really high on him as a C. Has he played any Center this year? Looks like he’s put up decent numbers in minimal ice time. Does Bowness just have it out for him or does he have serious flaws?

Any chance Chevy would look to deal him?

he's a sophomore going thru a slump, he will be fine and there is 0% he is available

 

[Weezeric]

I could see Gus as being a piece that goes in a trade.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Mort you under estimate the value Calgary saw in the prospect Grushnikov who is only 20 y/o and a former 2nd at 48th overall. By all media reports they see him much closer to Salomonsson value than the players you listed. Would you have been willing to out bid them with Salomonsson on the table, because I sure wouldn't have?

No, I wouldn't have.

Nothing I can see online explains putting that kind of value on Grushnikov but I really have very little to go on. So I will bow to their assessment. But the Mtl 2nd is worth quite a bit more than the Dallas one. Stan is already a proven NHL #7 Dman. Still just comparing what I can see on EP, Lundmark looks more like a comp for Grushnikov but it is Flames opinion that counts here. But I would give them both Stan & Lundmark + the 2nd and throw in Rashevsky. Even granting that I am undervaluing Grushnikov that package should blow away what Dallas paid.

This happens with all teams' fan bases though. They see a trade and wonder why they didn't get in on it. It is similar to looking at draft picks that were taken after your disappointment. There is always something better that went later, at least until you get to the 6th rd or so.

Stars got him. We didn't. End of story. I am disappointed. That's all.

Not one bit of trade value in that trio.

I disagree - but not too strongly.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

lol, calgary wanted a center or d prospect back so take out rashevsky, plus they seem to really value the prospect they got back from dallas doubt stanley would be a prospect they would want and that goes double with lundmark. they were also offered a 1st in package from another team but they would have needed to take a contract with a bit of term, they also could have easily waited until the deadline and seen if another team stepped up with a 1st.

how much of the prospect did you actually watch? or did you just hear about him for the 1st time ever opened up hockeydb and thought that our shitty prospects would be enough?

Just looked him up. Have you seen him play?

I accept that Flames valued him. I can't see why but they must have scouted him. We'll see how he turns out.

 

[gojetsgo]

Just looked him up. Have you seen him play?

I accept that Flames valued him. I can't see why but they must have scouted him. We'll see how he turns out.

it doesn't matter if I have scene him play or not, I'm not the one making the claim on his value, I am going off of the reports that calgary valued him highly, the reports that they were offered a 1st in a package, the fact that they could have waited even longer if they didn't actually value the prospect they got back and got more..

 

[DRW204]

Just looked him up. Have you seen him play?

I accept that Flames valued him. I can't see why but they must have scouted him. We'll see how he turns out.

Curious to hear how much Texas Stars or Hamilton Bulldogs you've watched play to have such a qualified opinion

 

[KingBogo]

What’s the story with Perfetti? Was really high on him as a C. Has he played any Center this year? Looks like he’s put up decent numbers in minimal ice time. Does Bowness just have it out for him or does he have serious flaws?

Any chance Chevy would look to deal him?

He has really hit a wall over the last month plus. Over his last 18 games, 0G 1A and nothing in 15 games. Looks physically and mentally exhausted IMO. Hopefully just a wake up call being a healthy scratched and he bounces back.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

He has really hit a wall over the last month plus. Over his last 18 games, 0G 1A and nothing in 15 games. Looks physically and mentally exhausted IMO. Hopefully just a wake up call being a healthy scratched and he bounces back.

Is he no longer looked at as a center?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Curious to hear how much Texas Stars or Hamilton Bulldogs you've watched play to have such a qualified opinion

Did you read the post you just replied to?

 

[DRW204]

Did you read the post you just replied to?

Sooo 0 games? 10?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

it doesn't matter if I have scene him play or not, I'm not the one making the claim on his value, I am going off of the reports that calgary valued him highly, the reports that they were offered a 1st in a package, the fact that they could have waited even longer if they didn't actually value the prospect they got back and got more..

And neither am I. I have said at least twice already that I accept Flames valuation on the assumption that they have scouted him. His value certainly doesn't show up in the counting stats.

1st in a package that had some other undesirable things attached is neither here nor there.

Waiting doesn't guarantee more or they obviously would have waited. Sometimes you wait too long and get nothing.

 

[gojetsgo]

And neither am I. I have said at least twice already that I accept Flames valuation on the assumption that they have scouted him. His value certainly doesn't show up in the counting stats.

1st in a package that had some other undesirable things attached is neither here nor there.

Waiting doesn't guarantee more or they obviously would have waited. Sometimes you wait too long and get nothing.

so saying that we could have easily beat that offer, listing our prospects that have little to no value as better options isn't questioning his value? he's a defensive defensemen... it's like looking at demelo stat line and saying since he doesn't put up offensive numbers he isn't valuable

waiting longer doesn't guarantee a better return but trading him before you have to certainly will cost you a better return, unless you know you get a prospect that you actually wanted

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

so saying that we could have easily beat that offer, listing our prospects that have little to no value as better options isn't questioning his value? he's a defensive defensemen... it's like looking at demelo stat line and saying since he doesn't put up offensive numbers he isn't valuable

waiting longer doesn't guarantee a better return but trading him before you have to certainly will cost you a better return, unless you know you get a prospect that you actually wanted

Well it would be pretty obvious to most people that after I concede that I may have undervalued that prospect they got then the rest of my statement is modified by implication.

 

[Whileee]

Some of the scouting reports on Grushnikov sound a lot like Samberg. I remember quite a few that were low on Samberg because of his "counting stats", but he's turned into exactly the kind of big, shut-down D that lots of teams are looking for.

 

[KingBogo]

Is he no longer looked at as a center?

He was tried as a center early in the season, but it was very short lived. He then had a really nice stretch playing wing before hitting the skids the last month or so.

 

[WolfHouse]

Is he no longer looked at as a center?

Long gone

Some of the scouting reports on Grushnikov sound a lot like Samberg. I remember quite a few that were low on Samberg because of his "counting stats", but he's turned into exactly the kind of big, shut-down D that lots of teams are looking for.

Give me a break Grush has 5 points in like 3 ahl seasons... he is nowhere close to where Samberg was

 

[gojetsgo]

Give me a break Grush has 5 points in like 3 ahl seasons... he is nowhere close to where Samberg was

"3 ahl seasons" lol he played 1 game last season, this is his second season, samberg was also older then him when he joined the moose

 

[WolfHouse]

"3 ahl seasons" lol he played 1 game last season, this is his second season, samberg was also older then him when he joined the moose

So now you're arguing that grushnikov is as good as Samberg... Holy crap you're diving in deep today...

If a D doesn't score in the ahl he's nit scoring in the NHL... Samberg at got points in the A

 

[gojetsgo]

So now you're arguing that grushnikov is as good as Samberg... Holy crap you're diving in deep today...

If a D doesn't score in the ahl he's nit scoring in the NHL... Samberg at got points in the A

lol, I'm not saying he's better then samberg at all... just the fact that he didn't play 3 ahl seasons, he's still young and he's a defensive defensemen...

 

[RustyCat]

I think my TD predictions will be Nick Seeler and Tyler Toffoli. What we give up, I dont know? But Seeler brings a heavy, tough game and I always hate when the Jets play against Toffoli because he is a trigger man and always seems to get scoring chances.

 

[Buffdog]

What’s the story with Perfetti? Was really high on him as a C. Has he played any Center this year? Looks like he’s put up decent numbers in minimal ice time. Does Bowness just have it out for him or does he have serious flaws?

Any chance Chevy would look to deal him?

Personally, I'm super high on Cole but I'd be willing to deal him if it involved a long term solution at 2C (not sold on him there, but hopeful to be proven wrong) or a young RHD with term

I think Rutger slots into our top 6 sooner than later

 

[Atoyot]

What’s the story with Perfetti? Was really high on him as a C. Has he played any Center this year? Looks like he’s put up decent numbers in minimal ice time. Does Bowness just have it out for him or does he have serious flaws?

Any chance Chevy would look to deal him?

He played 3 games at center at the start of the season after Bowness said he'd be given every chance to succeed at center, played very well, great defensive awareness, bad at faceoffs, but was taken off and never got another shot.