Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Jet]

I've always liked Lyubushkin.

 

[Jets 31]

I don't think Pittsburgh is going to make the playoffs, wonder who they might try and move .

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I don't think Pittsburgh is going to make the playoffs, wonder who they might try and move .

I’ve got a feeling dubas is open to moving anyone outside the core.

 

[mercury]

I don't think Pittsburgh is going to make the playoffs, wonder who they might try and move .

They probably won't, but they are like a 4-game winning streak from being a WC team.

 

[WolfHouse]

Where's the Lyubushkin guy on here

I just liked his goal song 'I'm a gummy bear'

 

[Maukkis]

Thank God we didn't end up with Lyubushkin. Not only do we not need any extra defensemen, seeing as we lost one on waivers, but Lyubushkin would have been by far the worst of them all.

 

[tbcwpg]

The Leafs have familiarity with Lybushkin but he's not a very good defenceman at all. That said they've been playing Marner on D since he shoots right and none of their defencemen do so he'll get minutes. Probably back with Rielly even.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Maybe the Flames asked Tanev to waive for the Jets and he said no thank you. It was widely reported the Dallas was interested in Tanev, and his agent probably had a good handle on how interested they were. All Tanev had to do at this point is hold out for a preferred destination.


So I'm guessing undesirable Canadian markets were on his no trade list and he didn't budge off of it.

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know the timeline, who did what when may have played a part.

We can only speculate about the details. All we know is that he went to Dallas for a return we could have easily beaten.

Exactly my point. We don't have any evidence that a trade was even possible, so it's pointless to use this non-trade to assess the Jets' trade performance.

We can speculate. We do a lot of that here. The important thing is to not confuse the speculation with fact.

 

[gojetsgo]

Maybe, maybe not. We don't know the timeline, who did what when may have played a part.

We can only speculate about the details. All we know is that he went to Dallas for a return we could have easily beaten.



We can speculate. We do a lot of that here. The important thing is to not confuse the speculation with fact.

what would you offer that would have easily beaten what they got?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

what would you offer that would have easily beaten what they got?

Mtl's 2nd for a start. That could be enough right there. Add Rashevsky, or Stanley, or Lundmark, or all of the above.

 

[jokesondee]

Tarasenko is looking better by the day.

 

[gojetsgo]

Mtl's 2nd for a start. That could be enough right there. Add Rashevsky, or Stanley, or Lundmark, or all of the above.

lol, calgary wanted a center or d prospect back so take out rashevsky, plus they seem to really value the prospect they got back from dallas doubt stanley would be a prospect they would want and that goes double with lundmark. they were also offered a 1st in package from another team but they would have needed to take a contract with a bit of term, they also could have easily waited until the deadline and seen if another team stepped up with a 1st.

how much of the prospect did you actually watch? or did you just hear about him for the 1st time ever opened up hockeydb and thought that our shitty prospects would be enough?

 

[Maukkis]

Mtl's 2nd for a start. That could be enough right there. Add Rashevsky, or Stanley, or Lundmark, or all of the above.

Not one bit of trade value in that trio.

 

[Cypruss]

Not one bit of trade value in that trio.

Oh, I would give Rashevsky some for sure - depending on attitude and willingness to come to NA in 2025.....

 

[Thechozen1]

Tarasenko is looking better by the day.

His NTC probably has him landing someplace else like Vegas or Carolina. Anywhere but Winnipeg.

 

[Jets 31]

His NTC probably has him landing someplace else like Vegas or Carolina. Anywhere but Winnipeg.

Ya that sucks but Stastny waved his no trade to come here so never say never.

 

[JetsFan815]

Not one bit of trade value in that trio.

Rashevski definitely has value. Most deadline trades that involve prospects tend to be extremely lonshot prospects, if Rashevski was traded for a rental he would definitely be in the upper echelon's of prospects moved at the deadline for a rental, even if he is in Russia.

 

[jokesondee]

His NTC probably has him landing someplace else like Vegas or Carolina. Anywhere but Winnipeg.

Apparently he is willing to wave his no trade clause to go to a contender.

 

[Maukkis]

Oh Rashevski definitely has value. Most deadline trades that involve prospects tend to be extremely lonshot prospects, if Rashevski was traded for a rental he would definitely be in the upper echelon's of prospects moved at the deadline for a rental, even if he is in Russia.

How many players have been traded in the last 10 years, while filling all these three criteria?

1) no previous history in NA
2) no existing NHL contract
3) played in the KHL at the time of the trade / in the previous season if an offseason move

Unless I'm missing something very obvious, there has only been one case of this since the last lockout (Nikita Gusev to VGK in the 2017 expansion draft, and even he didn't come over for another two seasons afterwards).

So... while Rashevsky might show promise on the ice, just pencil in zero trade value until he is in Winnipeg and under contract. It's a lot easier that way.

 

[KingBogo]

Mtl's 2nd for a start. That could be enough right there. Add Rashevsky, or Stanley, or Lundmark, or all of the above.

I think Mort you under estimate the value Calgary saw in the prospect Grushnikov who is only 20 y/o and a former 2nd at 48th overall. By all media reports they see him much closer to Salomonsson value than the players you listed. Would you have been willing to out bid them with Salomonsson on the table, because I sure wouldn't have?

 

[WolfHouse]

How many players have been traded in the last 10 years, while filling all these three criteria?

1) no previous history in NA
2) no existing NHL contract
3) played in the KHL at the time of the trade / in the previous season if an offseason move

Unless I'm missing something very obvious, there has only been one case of this since the last lockout (Nikita Gusev to VGK in the 2017 expansion draft, and even he didn't come over for another two seasons afterwards).

So... while Rashevsky might show promise on the ice, just pencil in zero trade value until he is in Winnipeg and under contract. It's a lot easier that way.

One of the players in the Lindholm trade is a sign or lose guy who's never been over here... he could have been a throw-in

 

[jetsfan15]

https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1763964043767714128?s=46&t=gxrSVM_w0xExicm2X8xmow

Good times, lol. I think in late January I would completely have disagreed with this. But lately the Jets have won very close games against some rather bad teams, largely supported by an unsustainably hot PP. I think to really make some noise in the playoffs, the Jets need to change their forward lines to something more similar to what they did in December/January and, candidly, they need to add a top-6 winger + perhaps even a top 4 D. Otherwise, they won’t win a best-of-seven against Dallas or Colorado. Will be interesting to see what Chevy does (or doesn’t do) this week. The last 5 weeks hasn’t been good (not talking about just a few bad games here, we’re talking more than a month, although I appreciate there was a break in games during that timeframe) - the recent winning streak was deceiving in my view.

 

[Maukkis]

One of the players in the Lindholm trade is a sign or lose guy who's never been over here... he could have been a throw-in

Jurmo happens to be a Finn playing in Liiga, from which 190% of prospects will move to play in the AHL, or even to the show, God willing. In a lot of cases, you can justify signing the contract solely based on money - NHL minutes are a bonus. That's not the case w/r/t KHL players, who have bigger paychecks and therefore a lot more to lose by switching leagues.

It's actually better that Rashevsky has no trade value. If he's ever going to become a contributor, we'll likely be the ones who get to benefit from it.

 

[WolfHouse]

Jurmo happens to be a Finn playing in Liiga, from which 190% of prospects will move to play in the AHL, or even to the show, God willing. In a lot of cases, you can justify signing the contract solely based on money - NHL minutes are a bonus. That's not the case w/r/t KHL players, who have bigger paychecks and therefore a lot more to lose by switching leagues.

It's actually better that Rashevsky has no trade value. If he's ever going to become a contributor, we'll likely be the ones who get to benefit from it.

I thought they had to sign him this season or he goes back to UFA - maybe I read it wrong...

He looks a lot more like his ceiling is maybe Kovacevic... he's another big slow-ish guy who doesn't score - just like Bauer

 

[jetsfan15]

The other problem: I think 6 weeks ago most people were confident that we had a top-6 winger in Perfetti. Not saying he won’t become that for us (I think he will), but clearly the required consistency from him to be that top-6 winger isn’t there quite yet this year (again, I think it will come, but perhaps not this season). So we went from thinking that he was currently a top-6 winger to suddenly having him be a healthy scratch today. So maybe in January we didn’t think that a top 6 winger was a necessary add, now suddenly it might be something Chevy needs to look at adding this week.