Maybe can get Mittlestadt or Krebs plus plus In a Helle deal with the LETS GO Buff Alo Sabres
Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24
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Maybe can get Mittlestadt or Krebs plus plus In a Helle deal with the LETS GO Buff Alo Sabres
Hey I am not criticizing. Ofcourse fans are gonna want something to look forward to, if the Jets don't/can't move these guys we have to hope for the best with the alternate route. Just hope we don't lose one or both these guys for nothing next summer.
Mitts would be really nice but the add would have to be substantial.
Jets were first in the Western Conference in January before that epic collapse. Why did the Jets collapse? I know Dubois’ game collapsed but he’s no longer here.
There was a lot more nuance to the Jets last season than just to point at where they finally placed.
So Helle. Scheif. Dillon. Stanley are all out there on the trade market.
Wondering what it would take to get Carter Hart out of Philly or if Vegas would do Thompson for Stanley.
Or is Stan Harkins types throw ins in a 55 or 37 deal
Wondering what it would take to get Carter Hart out of Philly or if Vegas would do Thompson for Stanley.
Or is Stan Harkins types throw ins in a 55 or 37 deal
The coach played Scheifele (and PLD and Connor) more down the stretch, after his critique of their play. I'm not sure how that's consistent.
Scheifele lacks awareness and skill defensively, but I think the narrative about his lack of effort is overblown. Watch Draisaitl play and you'll see plenty of shifts where he cheats offensively and doesn't bust it defensively. Same with MacKinnon and a lot of top offensive players.
On the Jets, no forward has been more inept defensively than Connor, but he rarely gets criticized, and certainly not to the point of running him out of town, and yet he makes well above Scheifele in salary.
Regarding Bowness, I am not sold on his coaching system or style, period. When he clashed with Scheifele, it was about style. Bowness likes a dump and chase, and at that point he just wanted more shots. Scheifele plays a more possession game, so they clashed at a time when the team stopped scoring (despite increasing shot attempts and expected goals, overall). Note that he also didn't like Ehlers' "east-west" style, and pushed him down to 3rd line minutes late in the season. I thought Bowness lost the plot, and I'm concerned about his coaching as the Jets try to bring in more skilled, possession players like Perfetti and Valardi. Bowness will want them to play like Saku and Appleton. Note that in the last 35 Jets games, Ehlers got less ice-time per game than Appleton, while Scheifele, Connor and PLD had their ice time increased down the stretch (funny way for Bowness to show his disgust).
I predict that fans and pundits (and players) tire of Bowness' approach in the next season or two. I'm already losing confidence.
NTC’s are only a factor with older players. If the idea was to flip 29-31 year olds, then the expectation is that we’re getting young 20ish players that are not privy to NTC’s.
I think it's very obvious why the Jets collapsed. At 5v5 they hit a shooting slump and their goaltending sagged. The PP went into the tank (coinciding with Layer's absence).
The graph below says it all. In the first half, the Jets were outscoring their shots and expected goals, with great goaltending. Down the stretch the Jets were actually dominating in shots and expected goals, but scoring much less than expected.
You cannot get an NTC for any ”restricted” year of a contract.
So, who are the real Winnipeg Jets? Are they the first half team, the second half team or just the bubble team that barely made the playoffs?
The argument someone else made was that we are the bubble team that barely made the playoffs and the reshuffling to date will leave us at the same place.
Not sure I necessarily buy that.
There is no question that Scheifele makes the Jets a better team next season regardless of any narratives people may spout about his "effort". I have never seen a lack of effort an issue with his defensive game, it is almost all a lack of defensive skill and awareness.
Regardless of Bowness, the issue remains with him that even if we can sign him, years 4,5,6,7 of that contract are most likely gonna look bad, so regardless of how much blame (or lack thereof) lies on Bowness it most likely better to move on from 55 even if he is willing to sign an extension which he may not even want to.
But then we are relying on other teams doing the exact thing we ourselves don't want to do. Which so far isn't looking all that great judging by the fact both Schief and Helle are still here.
That's what I mean though they are coming in younger and younger so they end up getting their 7 years of service earlier or get to 27 and just get an NTC. Damn near every big market hands them out like candy. And next to no teams are trading their good young talent on ELC's for 30 somethings. Best you can hope for is guys trending on bust territory or reclamation projects and that's just putting all your eggs into a different hope and pray basket.
Looks like the leafs will be under the gun to move Murray.
Thoughts on taking him on with their 2024 1st if we end up moving Helle? Murray + Brossoit tandem could be decent and gives us a really solid pick
Thoughts on taking him on with their 2024 1st if we end up moving Helle? Murray + Brossoit tandem could be decent and gives us a really solid pick
I'm not all that enthused to help them out for a late 1st.
I'm not crazy about helping out the Leafs either but objectively I think it would be a pretty shrewd move for the Jets. We'd need a 1b with Helle gone, and we could get paid for a decent option.
Could have 3 first round picks next year assuming we get one in the Helle trade too.
Free reign to root against the Leafs all season long too if we had their first
don't think he is a 1b and strong chance he would get hurt getting out of bed at this pointI'm not crazy about helping out the Leafs either but objectively I think it would be a pretty shrewd move for the Jets. We'd need a 1b with Helle gone, and we could get paid for a decent option.
Could have 3 first round picks next year assuming we get one in the Helle trade too.
Free reign to root against the Leafs all season long too if we had their first
Definitely into the cilantro. Teams trying to get to the next level rarely trade the players that are primarily responsible for getting them there, and that's Chabot for Ottawa.
So, you've never seen him blithely wave his stick at opposing players skating past him, or lollygag his way back to our zone or the bench while everyone else has raced off toward our net?
I would be down for this provided we move Helle first. Loath to help out the Leafs in anyway but you gotta make trades with the focus on helping the Jets first rather than spiting the Leafs. It would also be good for our own draft pick.
I like Kulich as a prospect, but despite the supposed lack of value for goaltenders, Helle’s got to be worth more that.
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