Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[ps241]

who played good in the second half of the season? pretty sure scheifele led us in goals, the few we could score... I really don't see why it's only him that gets pointed out for the second half of the season when plenty of others did less then he did...

I don’t think he gets singled out, PLD got crucified for his second half performance. I put Mark in the same blame bucket for that stretch as pretty much all the key talent other than Morrissey.

 

[Daximus]

we're not acquiring anybody over 26 under that formula. NTCs are irrelevant.

Some younger players are getting NTC's nowadays as well. Top that off with the fact that we have to move to get. Why would anyways else pay us young players for our older trash?

 

[puck stoppa]

Well I would prefer to shelter Perfetti in a centre role initially if possible. The Jets were perfectly fine running Schiefele out at centre and he sucks defensively . Perfetti is already better than Mark at that aspect of the game by default but the question is does playing centre negatively impact his offence.




I hope you’re wrong.



Third and 20 winds at our back. Time to punt the football.

He mentioned something about that at the exit interview. Said that Yzerman played a long time in Detroit before they won anyting...14 or 15 years I think.


Next contracts are going to be killers. We are not a contender so what’s the point of the 30 something big contract signing.

“At one point you could easily see him as the next captain. First pick of Jets 2.0, the ability to score, he's easiest to market as the face of the franchise. Maybe Wheeler was the one to leave to let him flourish who knows.”

Mark is not the captain type. He wasn’t even captain of his junior team.

He is a very good offensive centre but he’s not 25 any more and it’s time for the Jets to move on IMO.

Good post. I agree with you. It’s time to move on. He has too many warts on ice and character flaws off ice in the room from what I’ve heard as you know. It’s time to turn the page but I think the jets are desperate to keep him. Contract won’t age well and we need fresh leaders. But jets have no replacement so I see them getting the red carpet out.

 

[10Ducky10]

Speaking of power plays, ours has to get better. How can it be so shitty with so much talent?

 

[gojetsgo]

I don’t think he gets singled out, PLD got crucified for his second half performance. I put Mark in the same blame bucket for that stretch as pretty much all the key talent other than Morrissey.

he 1000% gets way more of the blame for how our season went then anyone else. most of pld's hate came from him wanting to leave and people thinking we were going to be stuck with a crappy return because it was mtl or bust

 

[WolfHouse]

he 1000% gets way more of the blame for how our season went then anyone else.

I mean when your coach rolls his eyes in an interview...

 

[Gil Fisher]

Some younger players are getting NTC's nowadays as well. Top that off with the fact that we have to move to get. Why would anyways else pay us young players for our older trash?

it doesn't matter when a player gets a NTC, no NTC or NMC can go into effect before a player is 27 years old or has completed 7 years in the NHL.

 

[gojetsgo]

I mean when your coach rolls his eyes in an interview...

cool... he also called out the teams game 5 performance and guess who wasn't in the line up... yet he still gets most of the blame put on him

 

[Whileee]

Can we please look at the data regarding what happened to the Jets during the "slump". Over the worst scoring slump that largely caused the strong of losses, Scheifele scored as many goals as PLD + Connor + Ehlers, combined.

A reminder...

I mean when your coach rolls his eyes in an interview...

I remember all the times I had to roll my eyes during a Bowness interview, like when he was defending the lacklustre PP he had no answer for, or his incredibly lame excuses for demoting Ehlers to 3rd line minutes and the 2nd PP down the stretch.

 

[kylbaz]

Max Domi at $2.5m would have been nice. Toronto getting him.

 

[bustamente]

Yes he may not exactly exude defensive propensity, and yes rubs some the wrong way, but you can't replace a 42 goal scoring centre at the drop of a hat, like it or not he is the best player on this team and the Jets should try to extend him.

 

[10Ducky10]

Max Domi at $2.5m would have been nice. Toronto getting him.

They can have him. Rather have Names.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I hold 55 to a higher standard because I know what he is capable of. He did still put up points, but it’s frustrating to know a player is capable of more.

PLD is gone, so I didn’t mention him, KC was like a shrinking flower during that time, but we don’t seem to be shopping him, so I didn’t mention him either.

There is lots of blame to go around, but it’s Scheifele with the ‘A’ and on the trade block, so that’s why I single him out.

 

[Gil Fisher]

How are the Leafs freeing up all this cap space?

 

[KingBogo]

Agreed Scheifele for some reason gets far more blame than his performance warrants. If Chevy obtained a center tomorrow and did this coming season what Scheifele did last season we would be raving at such an unbelievable pickup Chevy so shrewdly made.

 

[Aries56]

No Wheeler's "leadership".
No Dubois / top talent demanding out.
Big pay raise.

Those three things could be enough to turn 55s sour attitude around.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Maybe Scheifele had some sort of issue that losing Wheeler will fix? That is my hope…… that he extends and goes back to Mark the beast.

 

[10Ducky10]

Wheeler is gone so the leadership can start to evolve.
Let the team vote on who the captains are and everything should be good from there.

 

[WolfHouse]

Can we please look at the data regarding what happened to the Jets during the "slump". Over the worst scoring slump that largely caused the strong of losses, Scheifele scored as many goals as PLD + Connor + Ehlers, combined.

A reminder...
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I remember all the times I had to roll my eyes during a Bowness interview, like when he was defending the lacklustre PP he had no answer for, or his incredibly lame excuses for demoting Ehlers to 3rd line minutes and the 2nd PP down the stretch.

No one is arguing Scheifele's scoring prowess... but now you're throwing Bowness under the bus to protect Scheif? Just seems weird.

Scheifele is the one that said he prefers playing a different style than his coach, he's the one that said he needed to consider his future over the team's and he's the one that glides back into his zone... the same guys defending Scheif crucified Laine for exactly the same style of play

 

[RustyCat]

Yes he may not exactly exude defensive propensity, and yes rubs some the wrong way, but you can't replace a 42 goal scoring centre at the drop of a hat, like it or not he is the best player on this team and the Jets should try to extend him.

True about the goal scoring, but I get the suspicion that his best-before date has expired with some players and probably the coaching staff. He may have scored during that slump but he was one of the offenders that diverted from the coaching philosophy that the team started the year with. And the team was top 5 to 10 in the league for a good while there. Schief may be a good player but he would absolutely be one of the most frustrating players to play with and coach because he is self absorbed and won't listen. I watched the body language of his peers when he was talking (say, in the dressing room during or after a game) and it is evident to me that many tune him out. He is not captain material for a reason. I am not trying to slam the guy, because I don't hate him, but his personality is not congruent with what is required for a cultural shift. The team moved on from Wheeler, which is a major statement. To not move on from Schief completely contradicts that major statement. Not only are not any further ahead culturally, you are now working from a deficit because you (Chevy) have potentially eroded the faith and trust of the remaining players that you are committed to right sizing the team.

It is complicated with Schief but you have to move on from him. He is also at peak value and the assets you can get in return today as opposed to three or four years from now are very different. I can't see Chevy wanting to re-up on a long term deal to end up in the same boat as he just did with Wheeler, so I feel the short to medium term at 3 or 4 years would be wise for both camps.

 

[Heldig]

I'd do Carlo plus Debrusk plus Swayman for 55 And Dillon or Stanley

If Boston wants to throw in Frédéric ok but I'm not demanding him

McIntyre isn't a source tho. Pagnotta certainly is

Carlo + Swayman for Scheifele and Stanley seems pretty fair to me.

Leaves a hole for the Jets at C though. Who is trading the Jets a top 2 C?

 

[DRW204]

Domi and Bertuzzi are a couple solid adds given their term and price for the Leafs.

Agreed Scheifele for some reason gets far more blame than his performance warrants. If Chevy obtained a center tomorrow and did this coming season what Scheifele did last season we would be raving at such an unbelievable pickup Chevy so shrewdly made.

Yeah this year ppl were shitting on him when he was the only one scoring in the second half. It was odd.

Then consider This team absolutely crumbles w/o scheifele in the PO's. 1-7 with 11 GF. No one steps up. No one takes the reins. He def is not the perfect player, there's few "perfect players" in the nhl. But I think you could mitigate some of his deficiencies with linemates mix (ie no Connor next to him)

 

[WolfHouse]

Yeah this year ppl were shitting on him when he was the only one scoring in the second half. It was odd.

Then consider This team absolutely crumbles w/o scheifele in the PO's. 1-7 with 11 GF. No one steps up. No one takes the reins. He def is not the perfect player, there's few "perfect players" in the nhl. But I think you could mitigate some of his deficiencies with linemates mix (ie no Connor next to him)

If you could combine Wheeler's grit/effort with Scheif's scoring you have the perfect player - but I haven't seen Scheif take over a game a la Kopitar in ages... I wish that guy would come back

As a 1RW, Scheif would be a great extension... as a 1C, Im terrified that we give him 8.5-9 for 7 years

 

[ps241]

he 1000% gets way more of the blame for how our season went then anyone else. most of pld's hate came from him wanting to leave and people thinking we were going to be stuck with a crappy return because it was mtl or bust

I disagree. PLD checks every box for the hate on. Right now we have posters who want Mark back so at least he has some representation. I don’t recall Mark getting it worse when our team went in the tank. Mark got allot of praise for his play in the 1st half of the season as did PLD but the hatchets came out when our team went in the tank. I recall everyone except Morrissey taking a shit kicking. Even Helle.

 

[ps241]

Good post. I agree with you. It’s time to move on. He has too many warts on ice and character flaws off ice in the room from what I’ve heard as you know. It’s time to turn the page but I think the jets are desperate to keep him. Contract won’t age well and we need fresh leaders. But jets have no replacement so I see them getting the red carpet out.

I have said many times if Mark was 25 I would sign him warts and all. The problem is we are years away from being a contender if it ever happens again so we don’t need to overpay for 30 Something contracts like teams do that are trying to win the Cup now.I feel the same way about Helle who is our only real super star. I have less than zero interest in his next contract either.

Now back to your point I would not be surprised if TNSE would reconsider getting Scheif under contract although they have been decisive so far in moving on from PLD and Wheels.