Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Gm0ney]

Holy f*** ypu people don't read...

1. I said they went cold at the end of Dec when the tree of them combined for 1 Assist over 4 games
2. The going cold was in comparison to when they were dominating in mid December
3. I never.once mentioned CSV, so nice strawman

Since you're pulling stats, now do both those line combos vs the rest of the line combos. The whole team went into the shitter after the ASB, and the whole team was playing well when they were on their heater

It seemed like you were justifying Bones breaking up the line because they "went cold" - which apparently means they had 4 games where they weren't scoring after a few weeks of best-line-in-the-NHL dominance.

And then as the team weathered the goal-scoring doldrums, Bones kept Ehlers, who was 6th in the NHL in 5v5 points during that stretch, tied with Kucherov and McDavid, busted down to the 2nd line while we had a month of f***-all from the top line (and all the other lines too)? Strange decision-making...

 

[10Ducky10]

Not on paper? What are you talking about?

Connor puts up more of your "aCtUaL pOiNtS" because he plays a lot more than Ehlers per game. Per 60 minutes of time on ice, which is different from "per game", Ehlers puts up more points than Connor. This isn't rocket science.

Neither is the fact that the coach has played Kyle Connor for more minutes than Ehlers every game. Do you think they do that because they know nothing about hockey or is it because you know everything about hockey?
I swear that some people on here believe that these fancy stats are the be all and end all of everything.

 

[Atoyot]

Neither is the fact that the coach has played Kyle Connor for more minutes than Ehlers every game. Do you think they do that because they know nothing about hockey or is it because you know everything about hockey?
I swear that some people on here believe that these fancy stats are the be all and end all of everything.

In what world are scoring rates considered a fancy stat?

 

[surixon]

Neither is the fact that the coach has played Kyle Connor for more minutes than Ehlers every game. Do you think they do that because they know nothing about hockey or is it because you know everything about hockey?
I swear that some people on here believe that these fancy stats are the be all and end all of everything.

I mean if coaches cared only about optimizing rosters I'd imagine a lot of things would be done differently. But it's not just about that, it's about managing players, contracts etc that impact things.

The org clearly is more invested in KC then Ehlers and likely wants him to stick around ala Mark and Helle. As a result he gets more of a push.

 

[10Ducky10]

Here is a stat. KC has played 16 fewer games and has the same amount of points.

 

[Maukkis]

Neither is the fact that the coach has played Kyle Connor for more minutes than Ehlers every game. Do you think they do that because they know nothing about hockey or is it because you know everything about hockey?
I swear that some people on here believe that these fancy stats are the be all and end all of everything.

I'll stick to thinking for myself and leave the "blindly trusting others" for you, if that's how you like it.

 

[Buffdog]

It seemed like you were justifying Bones breaking up the line because they "went cold" - which apparently means they had 4 games where they weren't scoring after a few weeks of best-line-in-the-NHL dominance.

And then as the team weathered the goal-scoring doldrums, Bones kept Ehlers, who was 6th in the NHL in 5v5 points during that stretch, tied with Kucherov and McDavid, busted down to the 2nd line while we had a month of f***-all from the top line (and all the other lines too)? Strange decision-making...

1. Line blenders come out all the time when lines don't produce
2. Maybe he was trying to use Ehlers to kickstart the 2nd line. It wasn't necessarily being "busted down"... AND it may have coincided with the nagging injury that kept him off the ice today. Nobody knows for sure, which is why I'd be hesitant to make claims such as yours with next to no information

I'll stick to thinking for myself and leave the "blindly trusting others" for you, if that's how you like it.

Sure, but understand that you're "thinking for yourself" based on an entirely different set of information than the org has

I'm the last guy to blindly trust anyone, but I also acknowledge when someone I disagree with is privy to an additional set of facts that I don't have

 

[Weezeric]

We have to look at the numbers!! That’s why Ehlers shouldn’t sniff the powerplay!

 

[Gm0ney]

1. Line blenders come out all the time when lines don't produce
2. Maybe he was trying to use Ehlers to kickstart the 2nd line. It wasn't necessarily being "busted down"... AND it may have coincided with the nagging injury that kept him off the ice today. Nobody knows for sure, which is why I'd be hesitant to make claims such as yours with next to no information


Sure, but understand that you're "thinking for yourself" based on an entirely different set of information than the org has

I'm the last guy to blindly trust anyone, but I also acknowledge when someone I disagree with is privy to an additional set of facts that I don't have

It's just really strange that when you've got a dominant line that goes quiet for a handful of games that you're whipping out the blender and pushing the puree button, but then when things didn't work for an entire goddamn month across all four lines, suddenly that line blender is nowhere to be found?

When Billeck asked Bones about Ehlers and not being on the top line the other day he mumbled some BS about "hiding behind analytics". Like outscoring opponents 20 - 7 is some esoteric fancystat. Now it's suddenly a convenient story about a nagging injury? Feels a bit like they're pushing a narrative here.

 

[hn777]

We have to look at the numbers!! That’s why Ehlers shouldn’t sniff the powerplay!

Be careful! If you begin to apply critical thinking wrt Ehlers, you'll have to do so wrt Connor as well, right?
But I will take the bait, Ehlers has been underwhelming on the PP for a long time AND has poor results/stats as well. I guess, we can make a deal based on results, I accept Ehlers not playing PP1 and you accept Connor not playing topline minutes/with Scheifele, ok?

 

[Weezeric]

Be careful! If you begin to apply critical thinking wrt Ehlers, you'll have to do so wrt Connor as well, right?
But I will take the bait, Ehlers has been underwhelming on the PP for a long time AND has poor results/stats as well. I guess, we can make a deal based on results, I accept Ehlers not playing PP1 and you accept Connor not playing topline minutes/with Scheifele, ok?

I would be totally on board for playing Connor with Monahan and Vilardi, and bringing in another forward to play with Scheifele and Ehlers.

 

[Gm0ney]

Be careful! If you begin to apply critical thinking wrt Ehlers, you'll have to do so wrt Connor as well, right?
But I will take the bait, Ehlers has been underwhelming on the PP for a long time AND has poor results/stats as well. I guess, we can make a deal based on results, I accept Ehlers not playing PP1 and you accept Connor not playing topline minutes/with Scheifele, ok?

Apparently easier for the Jets to trade for players to fit into the system, than develop a system that properly uses their players. Now that Monahan's in the slot, the powerplay seems to be turning it around a bit. Easier than firing a coach, I guess...

 

[gojetsgo]

It's just really strange that when you've got a dominant line that goes quiet for a handful of games that you're whipping out the blender and pushing the puree button, but then when things didn't work for an entire goddamn month across all four lines, suddenly that line blender is nowhere to be found?

When Billeck asked Bones about Ehlers and not being on the top line the other day he mumbled some BS about "hiding behind analytics". Like outscoring opponents 20 - 7 is some esoteric fancystat. Now it's suddenly a convenient story about a nagging injury? Feels a bit like they're pushing a narrative here.

are you saying they are having ehlers sit out of multiple practices throughout the season to give them the excuse to not use him on the top line? did they also tell him to tell billeck a couple weeks back that he's been dealing with the injury that kept him out all preseason on and off?

 

[Gm0ney]

are you saying they are having ehlers sit out of multiple practices throughout the season to give them the excuse to not use him on the top line? did they also tell him to tell billeck a couple weeks back that he's been dealing with the injury that kept him out all preseason on and off?

Well suddenly the narrative has shifted from hiding behind analytics to nagging injury. And all the faithful in the choir are shouting AMEN!

Maybe I'm just a cynic...I'm old enough to remember when TNSE told us they were banning arena re-entry to preserve the air quality.

Edit: And why didn't Billeck ask Bones about whether Ehlers' nagging injury was part of the reason he wasn't on the top line the other day if he knew about it 2 weeks ago? Like none of this makes sense...

 

[Buffdog]

It's just really strange that when you've got a dominant line that goes quiet for a handful of games that you're whipping out the blender and pushing the puree button, but then when things didn't work for an entire goddamn month across all four lines, suddenly that line blender is nowhere to be found?

When Billeck asked Bones about Ehlers and not being on the top line the other day he mumbled some BS about "hiding behind analytics". Like outscoring opponents 20 - 7 is some esoteric fancystat. Now it's suddenly a convenient story about a nagging injury? Feels a bit like they're pushing a narrative here.

 

[Gm0ney]

This nagging injury news has really been a life raft for people who 5 minutes ago were arguing that it was just a line blender thing...

 

[gojetsgo]

This nagging injury news has really been a life raft for people who 5 minutes ago were arguing that it was just a line blender thing...

seems like there is a perfectly logical reason for ehlers usage that has been backed up with evidence(ehlers words and missing past practices) and you can't handle that so you jumped to a conspiracy that the org is making up this narrative so you can continue to complain about his usage..

and for the "why didn't billeck ask about it before?" maybe he just didn't remember about it until ehlers missed practice today

 

[Buffdog]

This nagging injury news has really been a life raft for people who 5 minutes ago were arguing that it was just a line blender thing...

Lol that's not how that meme works... it would be better if you made the adult bones, the little kid he's holding Connor, the struggling kid the first line, and then ehlers at the bottom...

 

[Huffer]

Both Eberle and Bjorkstrand would be nice adds (hell, let's add Larsson in as well).

What would be interesting in the discussion around adding another forward is, that would move another really good forward to the 4th. I'm as big of a Lowry fan as anyone but a Barron(Iaffalo) / Names / Perfetti (lets say he's the one to move), 4th line deserves decent minutes. Would Bones take minutes from the Lowry line to give that line the minutes they could likely use?

Or maybe make a true 3rd scoring line with Nino / Names / Perfetti, and make Barron (Iafallo) / Lowry / Apples (Iafallo) a checking line?

 

[Gm0ney]

seems like there is a perfectly logical reason for ehlers usage that has been backed up with evidence(ehlers words and missing past practices) and you can't handle that so you jumped to a conspiracy that the org is making up this narrative so you can continue to complain about his usage..

and for the "why didn't billeck ask about it before?" maybe he just didn't remember about it until ehlers missed practice today

Has this injury been nagging Ehlers since the beginning of 2021-22? He's the Jets 8th ranked forward in 5v5 TOI/game since the beginning of the 2021-22 season.

Also, you're suggesting that Billeck knew that Ehlers had a nagging injury two weeks ago, and just happened to forget about this reasonable explanation for Ehlers not being on Line 1 when he asked Bones about why Ehlers wasn't on Line 1 the other day? And Bones also forgot about Ehlers' nagging injury when giving his answer? And I'm the conspiracy theorist?

 

[gojetsgo]

Has this injury been nagging Ehlers since the beginning of 2021-22? He's the Jets 8th ranked forward in 5v5 TOI/game since the beginning of the 2021-22 season.

Also, you're suggesting that Billeck knew that Ehlers had a nagging injury two weeks ago, and just happened to forget about this reasonable explanation for Ehlers not being on Line 1 when he asked Bones about why Ehlers wasn't on Line 1 the other day? And Bones also forgot about Ehlers' nagging injury when giving his answer? And I'm the conspiracy theorist?

I think it's very reasonable to think that billeck could have forgot about the ehlers conversation and had his memory jogged when ehlers missed practice, what is unreasonable is making it out to be some conspiracy theory that the org is having ehlers miss practices and getting media members to lie about what was told to them...

and I'm not the one suggesting billeck knew about ehlers nagging injury... billeck is the one who tweeted about it

 

[hn777]

Both Eberle and Bjorkstrand would be nice adds (hell, let's add Larsson in as well).

What would be interesting in the discussion around adding another forward is, that would move another really good forward to the 4th. I'm as big of a Lowry fan as anyone but a Barron(Iaffalo) / Names / Perfetti (lets say he's the one to move), 4th line deserves decent minutes. Would Bones take minutes from the Lowry line to give that line the minutes they could likely use?

Or maybe make a true 3rd scoring line with Nino / Names / Perfetti, and make Barron (Iafallo) / Lowry / Apples (Iafallo) a checking line?

Hard to imagine. They always come out as the checking line against the other teams topline, so they will get their minutes no matter what.

 

[KingBogo]

Both Eberle and Bjorkstrand would be nice adds (hell, let's add Larsson in as well).

What would be interesting in the discussion around adding another forward is, that would move another really good forward to the 4th. I'm as big of a Lowry fan as anyone but a Barron(Iaffalo) / Names / Perfetti (lets say he's the one to move), 4th line deserves decent minutes. Would Bones take minutes from the Lowry line to give that line the minutes they could likely use?

Or maybe make a true 3rd scoring line with Nino / Names / Perfetti, and make Barron (Iafallo) / Lowry / Apples (Iafallo) a checking line?

What are you doing Huffer? Didn't you read the Memo that all threads are now dedicated solely to the Ehlers Vs. Connor debate. We have now moved from mere usage discussions to conspiracy theories involving coaches and the local media. Keep up man

 

[DRW204]

In what world are scoring rates considered a fancy stat?

Dude. 5v5 GF vs against are considered analytics

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Actually, I'd rather have the player that puts up points on the ice, not on paper but pretty much done with this debate. It is going in circles.

More points (or less) per 60 is actual points scored on the ice. It is not some mathematical thing that only happens on paper.