Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[AtomicJets]

Connor: 27 years old, 500 GP, 228 G, 226 A, 454 P. = .47 goals per game, .91 points per game.

Thompson: 26 years old, 342 GP, 118 G, 108 A, 226 P. = .35 goals per game, .66 points per game.

 

[10Ducky10]

If there is a trade including KC and Mitts, the Sabres are adding.

 

[WolfHouse]

You would have thought the insane trade ideas would slow down after we picked up monahan

 

[Jet]

KFC for Mitts - who says no?

I do.

I'd love to have Middlestadt but Connor is becoming pretty underrated around here.

60 goals in 328 games over 5.5 seasons and makes 7.5 mm - will be getting a raise and since this is his last rfa year coming up will cost a lot or could walk to ufa via arb.

Kyle Connor is only 2 years older, has played 500 games and is nearly a ppg and has nearly 4x the goals. He will also be making less than Middlestadt over the next 2 seasons.

It's not even close.

 

[10Ducky10]

I do.

I'd love to have Middlestadt but Connor is becoming pretty underrated around here.

60 goals in 328 games over 5.5 seasons and makes 7.5 mm - will be getting a raise and since this is his last rfa year coming up will cost a lot or could walk to ufa via arb.

Kyle Connor is only 2 years older, has played 500 games and is nearly a ppg and has nearly 4x the goals. He will also be making less than Middlestadt over the next 2 seasons.

It's not even close.

I think you meant 2.5m.
Agree with the whole post.

 

[DRW204]

seriously KFC for Mittlestadt.... what are we doing here?

a similarly highly-touted young player, but with superior production in Sam Reinhart went for a late 1st+Levi couple years ago, but we give up KFC for some reason?

If they want a starting caliber goalie we're not the right team

 

[Joe Hallenback]

My guess is a team like Anaheim might be on this. Some kind of deal in the off season for Gibson/Zegras/Mitts with a 3rd team in on Zegras.

 

[Maukkis]

Ya I know it's a stretch, but I honestly think Connor is closer in value to Thompson than Mittlestadt. I don't understand what makes Connor a "terrible cornerstone for any team". Like, most contenders have elite offensive wingers. I guess Vegas doesn't really. Since 2019 he has the most points for the Jets, how can they be better by getting rid of him? Especially considering the Jets are one of the better defensive teams (8th) and worse offensive teams (18th) in that time period.

A cornerstone player isn't a liability like Connor is in his own end. Losing him doesn't improve the Jets, but it's becoming pretty alarming how our different top lines magically start losing the xG share with him on them.

That said, I would only trade Connor if keeping him directly led to losing any one of Ehlers, Scheifele, Perfetti, or Vilardi. We need to build around the ones who can carry their own water (and then some), and Connor is pretty far from that.

 

[mondo3]

I wonder if Chevy is holding Stanley so he can be exposed for an expansion draft?

 

[Moon Man]

I wonder if Chevy is holding Stanley so he can be exposed for an expansion draft?

What if he protects him.

 

[DRW204]

I’m starting to think Chevy never seriously shopped him. I think if someone was willing to give up EXACTLY what Chevy wanted in return, they would have moved him but nobody did. One day hopefully Chevy writes a book about being a GM in Winnipeg

i don't think so either. i find folks on this forum sometimes just don't look at the obvious in what the organization is telling them via their transactions. nothing suggested a rebuild this off-season, it seemed like Helle ultimately was fine in staying here if the Jets weren't going for a rebuild path (Helle would be probably the first piece to move in a full rebuild). put em together methinks the goal was never to move helle.

Ya I know it's a stretch, but I honestly think Connor is closer in value to Thompson than Mittlestadt. I don't understand what makes Connor a "terrible cornerstone for any team". Like, most contenders have elite offensive wingers. I guess Vegas doesn't really. Since 2019 he has the most points for the Jets, how can they be better by getting rid of him? Especially considering the Jets are one of the better defensive teams (8th) and worse offensive teams (18th) in that time period.

i don't think connor is a cornerstone piece, however i think there's only 3 cornerstone pieces on this team so maybe the criteria is to hard? those 3 being scheifele, morrissey and helle.

as far as thompson.... his defensive numbers last couple of seasons were in the same level of suck of connor or scheifele. while playing C a position w/ more 2-way onus. it seems like they've improved this year (xGA/60). but i think he's may be connor while playing C (team effects ofc come into play). but he does bring the highlight reel goals for sure.

 

[Jet]

I think you meant 2.5m.
Agree with the whole post.

Ha! Oh man you are right. The way the article was worded was 3 year 7.5M contract. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[abax44]

I think what makes it particularly frustrating is that the line gets used more like a 2A/2B line than a 3rd line. He's getting minutes that are just completely unjustified. If that line was getting 12-14 minutes a night there'd probably be a lot less people complaining. Averaging 16:00 TOI and occasionally playing upwards of 20 is just too much.

Less people complaining... here?

 

[gojetsgo]

with toni clearing waivers we now have 3.6 million in current capspace(more if we trade now and have to waive/trade another) and 5.84 million at the deadline

 

[bumblebeeman]

i don't think so either. i find folks on this forum sometimes just don't look at the obvious in what the organization is telling them via their transactions. nothing suggested a rebuild this off-season, it seemed like Helle ultimately was fine in staying here if the Jets weren't going for a rebuild path (Helle would be probably the first piece to move in a full rebuild). put em together methinks the goal was never to move helle.

i don't think connor is a cornerstone piece, however i think there's only 3 cornerstone pieces on this team so maybe the criteria is to hard? those 3 being scheifele, morrissey and helle.

as far as thompson.... his defensive numbers last couple of seasons were in the same level of suck of connor or scheifele. while playing C a position w/ more 2-way onus. it seems like they've improved this year (xGA/60). but i think he's may be connor while playing C (team effects ofc come into play). but he does bring the highlight reel goals for sure.

Ya I agree about scheif morrissey and especially Helle being the most important players on the Jets. But Connor is up there, him and Helle are the only players the Jets have who are top 10 for their position in the league. I don't think Chevy considers trading away a player like that who contributes in a way that is the teams weakness (scoring) unless he won't re-sign in Wpg

 

[bumblebeeman]

A cornerstone player isn't a liability like Connor is in his own end. Losing him doesn't improve the Jets, but it's becoming pretty alarming how our different top lines magically start losing the xG share with him on them.

That said, I would only trade Connor if keeping him directly led to losing any one of Ehlers, Scheifele, Perfetti, or Vilardi. We need to build around the ones who can carry their own water (and then some), and Connor is pretty far from that.

I really think Connor is the 2nd most valuable forward after Scheifele. I am sincerely interested in why you would take those other forwards over him, it seems like it's based on xG or some other advanced stats? If you'd be down to share a link to the stats or explain why you value that stat more would be interesting to me.

But also to clarify I agree that all of those guys are valuable and would like to see them all stay long term. And also I'm not trying to argue, just have a conversation and learn where you are coming from if you have time or are interested in sharing.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Vilardi plus Iafallo plus kupari for Mittlestadt

So ..... basically PLD for Mittelstadt? Sure Sabres are bound to go for that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Connor: 27 years old, 500 GP, 228 G, 226 A, 454 P. = .47 goals per game, .91 points per game.

Thompson: 26 years old, 342 GP, 118 G, 108 A, 226 P. = .35 goals per game, .66 points per game.

Yeah, but the last 3 years they are pretty close together. Now look at their GA/60.

You would have thought the insane trade ideas would slow down after we picked up monahan

Nope. They pick up because it is now harder to come up with sane ones.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I do.

I'd love to have Middlestadt but Connor is becoming pretty underrated around here.

60 goals in 328 games over 5.5 seasons and makes 7.5 mm - will be getting a raise and since this is his last rfa year coming up will cost a lot or could walk to ufa via arb.

Kyle Connor is only 2 years older, has played 500 games and is nearly a ppg and has nearly 4x the goals. He will also be making less than Middlestadt over the next 2 seasons.

It's not even close.

Mittelstadt makes 2.5 per. 7.5 over 3 years.

If all you look at is points, you are right, it isn't even close. Look at 2 way play and it gets closer. Not sure how much value you add for C over LW but it isn't small. But then there is that contract status and the value swings in favour of KC again.

I would love to have Mitts but only if there was some assurance of a longer term contract. Without that I don't pay KC. Not sure I would pay it anyway - but we do need a 2C.

 

[Atoyot]

Yeah, but the last 3 years they are pretty close together. Now look at their GA/60.



Nope. They pick up because it is now harder to come up with sane ones.

You know when people here get pissed off about the occasional time Ehlers makes an unnecessarily fancy play that doesn't work? Whenever I watch Thompson he does stuff like that every shift. Fun to watch but it's just mayhem.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

i don't think so either. i find folks on this forum sometimes just don't look at the obvious in what the organization is telling them via their transactions. nothing suggested a rebuild this off-season, it seemed like Helle ultimately was fine in staying here if the Jets weren't going for a rebuild path (Helle would be probably the first piece to move in a full rebuild). put em together methinks the goal was never to move helle.

i don't think connor is a cornerstone piece, however i think there's only 3 cornerstone pieces on this team so maybe the criteria is to hard? those 3 being scheifele, morrissey and helle.

as far as thompson.... his defensive numbers last couple of seasons were in the same level of suck of connor or scheifele. while playing C a position w/ more 2-way onus. it seems like they've improved this year (xGA/60). but i think he's may be connor while playing C (team effects ofc come into play). but he does bring the highlight reel goals for sure.

I think the timing of the signings of Scheif and Helle supports the idea they were being shopped. But it was no fire sale. Barring good offers for each, he was not interested. When the right offers didn't materialize he concentrated on assuring both of them that the team would be competing. It is no coincidence that the 2 contracts are identical, even down to extending the full NMCs to cover this year.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

with toni clearing waivers we now have 3.6 million in current capspace(more if we trade now and have to waive/trade another) and 5.84 million at the deadline

That brings up a possibly interesting question. If we pick up a player, who gets waived? Acquire a F, waive a F. Acquire a Dman, waive a Dman. That is unless a roster player is included in the deal.

So if we get a Dman, Stan is the obvious choice to waive. But it isn't quite as clear cut if we get a F. I guess we could send Perfetti down for however many days are required until the TD when roster restrictions are lifted. But otherwise IDK for certain who would go. I think it would be between Gus and Kupari. I get a bit of a James Wright vibe from Kupari. Wright could skate fast too.

 

[10Ducky10]

That brings up a possibly interesting question. If we pick up a player, who gets waived? Acquire a F, waive a F. Acquire a Dman, waive a Dman. That is unless a roster player is included in the deal.

So if we get a Dman, Stan is the obvious choice to waive. But it isn't quite as clear cut if we get a F. I guess we could send Perfetti down for however many days are required until the TD when roster restrictions are lifted. But otherwise IDK for certain who would go. I think it would be between Gus and Kupari. I get a bit of a James Wright vibe from Kupari. Wright could skate fast too.

Do we have to waive somone if Chevy picks someone up on the TD? Rosters are expanded but I am not sure exactly when.

 

[Moon Man]

Do we have to waive somone if Chevy picks someone up on the TD? Rosters are expanded but I am not sure exactly when.

I could be wrong, but the rosters are only expanded once playoffs begin.

 

[gojetsgo]

I could be wrong, but the rosters are only expanded once playoffs begin.

they are expanded after the deadline as long as you are under the cap