Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Flair Hay]

There's a reason they say the Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy to win in all of sport. First you have to be able to acquire the right players - either by d and d or shrewd trading. Then, you have to be able to fit that under the cap.

You have to find a coaching staff that has great ideas for systems to counter other teams. They have to be able to adjust both in game and game to game. They have to deal with 23 personalities.

Then you have to grind through 82 games in a physically demanding sport, punishing your joints, getting whacked by sticks, pucks, bodies.

After all that you have to run the gauntlet of 4 7 game series with no more than a day or twos rest between games. You have to overcome injuries, while avoiding ones to your key players.

You have to hope that your goalie gets hot

You have to hope that your team is on a confident high, and can overcome obstacles and setbacks.

It really is crazy when you think about it.

Yeah gauntlet is definitely the right way to put it

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not really sure what your point is - directed to the "relax guys we're still nicely positioned in standings".

Sure we are. I don't think people here (involving me) start being concernded about missing the playoffs. We start being concerned about going on a similar run like last year, ending up in the playoffs, sure, but far from a confident group, without home advantage, having to play a top team in the first round.

If those parts "fall into place" again in a negative way, just like last year, how exactly do you expect us to get by Vegas or Colorado come round 1? Let alone go on a significant playoff run. You need things clicking and we're on tracking of having the clock fall apart instead of having clockwork run smoothly.

It is' about losing your path. It is about forgetting the things that led to you being the best team in the league. It is about all the things Bones flipped the table on during his playoff elimination presser.



Sure Boston isn't perfect either. And I don't think peopl are panicing about the fact that the team isn't allowed to lose multiple games in a row.

But is Boston atrocious on special teams or struggling to score more than one goal a game over more than a fluke two or three games?

With the enthusiasm of management having shown faith in them by getting Monahan, Jets should have come flying out of the gate after the break. Adding Monahan, getting Scheifele back, really being healthy for the first time all season they SHOULD have been ramped up. They were not.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I know what you are saying for sure. No teams are perfect. Boston did recently have a 4 game stretch where they gave up 17 goals.

I don't think that the Jets are "forgetting the things that led to you being the best team in the league" - to me it is focus and execution. Everyone has rough spells and times where nothing goes right. Appleton doesnt shoot intentionally into the crest of the goalie for his one shot in the game, but it is just what happens.

I don't get too worked up on things I have no control over. Nobody expected the Jets to be so strong (record wise) over the first 50 games.

I do agree with you and many others that the Power Play is the biggest problem with this squad. It's putrid. It needs an enema. It needs a Buff on the point. Hope Chevy can find a solution. I'll be watching the playoffs with or without the Jets making it past a round. Really hope to see you at Portage and Main come June for an epic celebration - but in all likelyhood - that will not happen and may not ever in my lifetime (ask a 60 year old Leaf fan!).

I don't think the point is the problem on the PP. It is missing a lot more than a booming slapshot. It is too static. It needs more movement, players, the puck or both.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

LOL yes because 5 games = an entire season.

If we could get rid of Appleton who is next to useless I'd do that in a heartbeat. Tarasenko shouldn't cost much and further allows flexibility in the top 9 and in case of injury


Our pk is getting better!

Why do you think Tarasenko shouldn't cost much?

The Appleton hate on this forum is excessive. Not entirely unjustified, but over the top.

I would happily swap him for Tarasenko. I don't mean 1 for 1. We would have to pay for Tarasenko.
Apples + Stanley +?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There's a reason they say the Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy to win in all of sport. First you have to be able to acquire the right players - either by d and d or shrewd trading. Then, you have to be able to fit that under the cap.

You have to find a coaching staff that has great ideas for systems to counter other teams. They have to be able to adjust both in game and game to game. They have to deal with 23 personalities.

Then you have to grind through 82 games in a physically demanding sport, punishing your joints, getting whacked by sticks, pucks, bodies.

After all that you have to run the gauntlet of 4 7 game series with no more than a day or twos rest between games. You have to overcome injuries, while avoiding ones to your key players.

You have to hope that your goalie gets hot

You have to hope that your team is on a confident high, and can overcome obstacles and setbacks.

It really is crazy when you think about it.

So don't think about it. Just do it.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

50 games into the season and he finally figures out they need a goalie?
Comrie is their highest paid goalie at 1.8m, what did they expect? That shitty GM should be fired. Wasted another season with no playoffs.

Chevy should ante up and get Mitts. He's their best player and they want to trade him?
LB, Montreal's 2nd and Nino for Mitts.

Mitts is not their "best" player. He is their leading scorer right now, so not too shabby. But they have a wealth of C's. I'd be all over this, if it was up to me. Having just picked up Monahan wouldn't be the issue except in that he has taken up some of our cap space and trade assets.

The real problem is that they want a starting goalie (D'uhhh). We don't have one to spare at the moment. They should have paid whatever Chevy was asking to get Helle in the off-season.

 

[10Ducky10]

Mitts is not their "best" player. He is their leading scorer right now, so not too shabby. But they have a wealth of C's. I'd be all over this, if it was up to me. Having just picked up Monahan wouldn't be the issue except in that he has taken up some of our cap space and trade assets.

The real problem is that they want a starting goalie (D'uhhh). We don't have one to spare at the moment. They should have paid whatever Chevy was asking to get Helle in the off-season.

This year, Mitts is their best player including Dahlin.
A LOT of their players aren't having a very good season.

 

[Hobble]

This year, Mitts is their best player including Dahlin.
A LOT of their players aren't having a very good season.

All the more reason to Trade for Tage when his stock is lowered

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This year, Mitts is their best player including Dahlin.
A LOT of their players aren't having a very good season.

I don't know if that is correct or not. Even if he has been their best player this year, it doesn't make him their best player long term. Haven't watched them enough to go beyond that.

But I think your point is that they are shopping a top player, their leading scorer this year. Now they are willing to pay up when it is too late and the prices are up and the options are down.

Boston still has 2 starters and needs a centre.

 

[10Ducky10]

All the more reason to Trade for Tage when his stock is lowered

He did have one hell of a year last year.
He is one of the reasons why they are where they are.
Cozens isn't playing near as well as last season.
Dahlin signed the big deal and was better last year.
Their other #1 overall pick, defenceman Owen Power, isn't having a good season and some of their fans are saying he should be in the minors.

That and they have no goaltending.

I'd give a lot to get Mitts.

 

[10Ducky10]

I don't know if that is correct or not. Even if he has been their best player this year, it doesn't make him their best player long term. Haven't watched them enough to go beyond that.

But I think your point is that they are shopping a top player, their leading scorer this year. Now they are willing to pay up when it is too late and the prices are up and the options are down.

Boston still has 2 starters and needs a centre.

I've liked Mitts since he came into the league and have followed him somewhat. I started following the Sabres a bit when the Kane trade was made. They brought Mitts in too soon but he has put it together.
They haven't made the playoffs in forever and haven't won a series in forever and a day. I really thought they would this year but no goalie.

 

[Aries56]

With the enthusiasm of management having shown faith in them by getting Monahan, Jets should have come flying out of the gate after the break. Adding Monahan, getting Scheifele back, really being healthy for the first time all season they SHOULD have been ramped up. They were not.

You're right. I think part of the problem is Bones' system works by stifling the other team and frustrating them, so they get aggressive and make mistakes.

In both Pittsburgh and Philly, we went down by 3 early and those teams stopped taking any risks and locked down defensively. The Jets were the ones trying to force passes and taking risks to sustain pressure.

When we go up against a team that's locked down defensively, we haven't had anyone show up that can break through their defense and shift momentum. We're not built to come back from a deficit.

 

[Thechozen1]

You're right. I think part of the problem is Bones' system works by stifling the other team and frustrating them, so they get aggressive and make mistakes.

In both Pittsburgh and Philly, we went down by 3 early and those teams stopped taking any risks and locked down defensively. The Jets were the ones trying to force passes and taking risks to sustain pressure.

When we go up against a team that's locked down defensively, we haven't had anyone show up that can break through their defense and shift momentum. We're not built to come back from a deficit.

Not exactly a recipe for success. If you’re basically done the moment you fall behind by a couple then you don’t deserve to make it out of the first round.

 

[Potrzebie]

When we go up against a team that's locked down defensively, we haven't had anyone show up that can break through their defense and shift momentum. We're not built to come back from a deficit.

They've come back from a few deficits this year, some multi goal.

https://morehockeystats.com/teams/strikebacks

 

[Jet]

They've come back from a few deficits this year, some multi goal.

https://morehockeystats.com/teams/strikebacks

Yup, we definitely have the horses, the team isn't confident and have abandoned the system somewhat. It's up to the coaches to get them bought in again

 

[Jet]

Why do you think Tarasenko shouldn't cost much?

The Appleton hate on this forum is excessive. Not entirely unjustified, but over the top.

I would happily swap him for Tarasenko. I don't mean 1 for 1. We would have to pay for Tarasenko.
Apples + Stanley +?

Age and contact status. Hard to tell this year, it isn't a rich player pool but there at also lots of teams maxed out.

My frustration with Appleton is mostly usage. He's a 4th liner and nothing more. There at least 2 players is rather have on the 3rd line over him.

He just kills so many plays and makes bad decisions with the puck. He's not a small man but a strong wind knocks him over.

I honestly don't see why the org likes him so much.

 

[DRW204]

Today's article said that "NHL Coach Eakins doesn't understand why he can't make an NHL roster because of all his AHL points."

I had a good chuckle... They sure love to ignore the fact he's awful defensively . I assume it was the exact same in finnish Media with Niku.

Dang, if HF had a media/article outlet, you can say the same for supposed coaches on here when it comes to ahl players or prospects

It didn't need to be some kind of near mirror image of the deal that ended up being done. It could have included a roster player or two - or not. It could have included more picks - or not. Or maybe it could have been mostly prospects. Jets offered a package with a certain value. Flames chose the package Van offered for their own reasons.

OK thanks - or not.
I said in the post if it got that far in regards to including Jets prospects.

 

[abax44]

Is Sean Walker in Philly an upgrade on our right side D? RH shot, can play either side, positive numbers. $2.65m expiring contract.

Tortorella: 'We'd be dopes' to not hear Walker offers

Tortorella: 'We'd be dopes' to not hear Walker offers

John Tortorella may not be the general manager of the Philadelphia Flyers, but that didn't stop the head coach from dishing out his two cents on the upcoming trade deadline."When it comes to the deadline, we're going to listen," he said, according to NBC Sports Philadelphia's Jordan Hall. "If we...

www.thescore.com

 

[WolfHouse]

Is Sean Walker in Philly an upgrade on our right side D? RH shot, can play either side, positive numbers. $2.65m expiring contract.

Tortorella: 'We'd be dopes' to not hear Walker offers

Tortorella: 'We'd be dopes' to not hear Walker offers

John Tortorella may not be the general manager of the Philadelphia Flyers, but that didn't stop the head coach from dishing out his two cents on the upcoming trade deadline."When it comes to the deadline, we're going to listen," he said, according to NBC Sports Philadelphia's Jordan Hall. "If we...

www.thescore.com

Also Tortorella
I think it's great that broads ate getting inta coaching - we might hire one - maybe a greaser too. That pollack we got scouting is no carpet bagger bur not sold on the raghead we just hired. He might grow on me but you know 9/11 and all

 

[KingBogo]

A lot of talk about trading for Mitts, so I thought I'd check out the Sabre board on their fans wants. Most don't want to trade him as many consider him to be one of their better 2-way players. Granted it is just fan talk but it doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Jets. Their priority list seems to be a top end starter, or a top 4 RHD (still in his prime with term) since all their young talent is LHD. Failing that a comparable 200 foot forward, or some combination of the above. There appears to be little interest in prospects, picks or garbage (IE. no desire in Stanley especially as he is a LHD).

 

[gojetsgo]

A lot of talk about trading for Mitts, so I thought I'd check out the Sabre board on their fans wants. Most don't want to trade him as many consider him to be one of their better 2-way players. Granted it is just fan talk but it doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Jets. Their priority list seems to be a top end starter, or a top 4 RHD (still in his prime with term) since all their young talent is LHD. Failing that a comparable 200 foot forward, or some combination of the above. There appears to be little interest in prospects, picks or garbage (IE. no desire in Stanley especially as he is a LHD).

has a legit source even said he was available?

 

[Buffdog]

A lot of talk about trading for Mitts, so I thought I'd check out the Sabre board on their fans wants. Most don't want to trade him as many consider him to be one of their better 2-way players. Granted it is just fan talk but it doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Jets. Their priority list seems to be a top end starter, or a top 4 RHD (still in his prime with term) since all their young talent is LHD. Failing that a comparable 200 foot forward, or some combination of the above. There appears to be little interest in prospects, picks or garbage (IE. no desire in Stanley especially as he is a LHD).

Yeah, if we were to add Mitts I get the feeling that it wouldn't be an "add" at all. Probably looking at Perfetti going the other way. Not sure if we have anything else that would catch Buffalo's eye

That said, their list of asks isn't all that realistic either. Mitts is in a position to waltz his way to UFA a la trouba/pld... teams looking to aquire him would need some kind of assurance that he'd sign long term. Otherwise, nobody will give up a stater or RHD in their prime with years of term/team control

 

[KingBogo]

has a legit source even said he was available?

Yeah they had a legit source posted, can't remember which talking head, but it was one of them.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah, if we were to add Mitts I get the feeling that it wouldn't be an "add" at all. Probably looking at Perfetti going the other way. Not sure if we have anything else that would catch Buffalo's eye

That said, their list of asks isn't all that realistic either. Mitts is in a position to waltz his way to UFA a la trouba/pld... teams looking to aquire him would need some kind of assurance that he'd sign long term. Otherwise, nobody will give up a stater or RHD in their prime with years of term/team control

All very true, but the majority of trade proposals around here aren't very realistic either. Everyone wants the homerun trade, with little pain coming back.

 

[mondo3]

All very true, but the majority of trade proposals around here aren't very realistic either. Everyone wants the homerun trade, with little pain coming back.

KFC for Mitts - who says no?