Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Mortimer Snerd]

What are you basing this assessment on? The data pretty clearly show that the Jets are near the best in the NHL in preventing shots and expected goals against at 5v5.

It's true that it's a full team effort, but you don't get these results without effective defense pairings.

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I didn't say they weren't being effective. They are part of that team defense which is highly effective. My point is that they are not some kind of elite D corps that would be hard to improve.

In the last 12 games Jets have given up < 30 shots 5 times, 30 shots twice and >= 34 shots 5 times. The 5 times at 34-38 may be colouring my perception. They have been outshot 6 time in those 12, outshot the opponent 5 times and once was even.

Your heatmap shows they are doing a good job of limiting shots from the slot, but there is a lot more to dangerous chances than location. There is obviously a lot more to it than simple shot counting too.

 

[JetsFan815]

I'm curious to see what they do with the D down the stretch. All 6 are playing well but as you said, there needs to be some insurance. It wouldn't be ideal to parachute one of Stanley or heinola into the lineup after not having played at the NHL level for months if an injury pops up

Either they have to start working their internal depth guys into games to get them up to speed or they have to go out and get a veteran RHD who has been playing. I have a feeling they'll do the latter

I agree they go for a veteran RD as well. I think Stanley is going back the other way in whatever deal them make for a D-man. Heinola is gonna be game ready due to playing on the Moose but not sure you want him jumping in against tough competition late in the season/playoffs without breaking him in gently.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Monahan is having a nice resurgence points wise this year but his best days are behind him, I think from the Jets point of view his acquisition is a pure rental.

I think it is way too early to have any type of accurate appraisal on this. The guy is only 29 and if his injury problems are behind him, none of us have a hot clue what happens going forward.

I think it is a pure rental ATM. There is always the possibility of that changing.

60 pts is not out of reach by any means. So lets say the number becomes 5 mil. What about the term? Would we even want 5-6-7 years? That might easily be what it takes in that circumstance.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

I think it is a pure rental ATM. There is always the possibility of that changing.

60 pts is not out of reach by any means. So lets say the number becomes 5 mil. What about the term? Would we even want 5-6-7 years? That might easily be what it takes in that circumstance.

If he's a perfect fit and the docs think his hip concerns are behind him I'd do 5x5. We have ELCs coming up for the majority of that span to help with the cap.

Scheifele and Helle won't be elite forever


Lots of hockey to be played before any of that can be analyzed or considered though first and foremost

 

[roccerfeller]

Lots of revisionist history here with stastny and Hayes also. Ppl weren’t that happy about them, likely the ppl bitching now about giving up a 1st now were bitching then. I think shock was with stastny, cuz he was off the board. Hayes was similar, Hayes tho gets shit on cuz Maurice decided he didn’t like him in the top 6 eventho dude is a legit top 6 guy and was pacing at that . No logical reason to put him on the 4th.


I’m not sure tho why these guys all need to be compared. Monahan brings what he brings to the perfetti and Ehlers tandem. How many 2 centers were actually available. GM seems to think the one he got was the best fit. I’ll bet another center goes but I’ll bet he goes to a US team.

Of the available centers, 2 were traded from a cdn team to another cdn team. The top 2 available cuz reality is most the guys ppl talk about, they don’t want to be here. Canada is on every NTC even Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal

And there are 25 percent of them in the league this year, 25 percent on elcs also roughly, which leaves 50 percent of players actually available to cdn teams. There’s a topic on the main boards about this. It’s seriously f***ing us and most cdn teams over.

People loved the stastny trade. Was euphoria if anything.

 

[roccerfeller]

I agree they go for a veteran RD as well. I think Stanley is going back the other way in whatever deal them make for a D-man. Heinola is gonna be game ready due to playing on the Moose but not sure you want him jumping in against tough competition late in the season/playoffs without breaking him in gently.

I’m ok with throwing Ville in to see what we have.
I wonder if that’s the plan before they send out Stan in any trade - at least we know he can slot in playoffs if needed (oilers series)

A veteran RD would be good - lots of people are thinking about Tanev which I have no problem with for the right price but I’m wondering if he’s the best choice or if we should target someone who is more offence minded, less defensive

Tough to know. Maybe tanev D first acumen or a similar type of defender is better for playoffs

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Only way a tanev comes is if we move Schmidt in the deal cuz tanev shouldn’t sit, pionk shouldn’t, demelo shouldn’t so logically you’d think more depth D not a legit starter lol. Unless one of our rhd are shipped out (guys playing the right) I see it being like Stanley for a rental upgrade on Stanley type trade.

I still would be surprised if Stanley is a jet after the deadline.

 

[10Ducky10]

Ville will give us extra O, I bet Chevy gets a more D minded guy for a 4th or 5th rounder in case of injury.
Someone like Erik Johnson.

 

[KingBogo]

I’m ok with throwing Ville in to see what we have.
I wonder if that’s the plan before they send out Stan in any trade - at least we know he can slot in playoffs if needed (oilers series)

A veteran RD would be good - lots of people are thinking about Tanev which I have no problem with for the right price but I’m wondering if he’s the best choice or if we should target someone who is more offence minded, less defensive

Tough to know. Maybe tanev D first acumen or a similar type of defender is better for playoffs

I think it is unlikely Heinola gets called up based on the numbers game. The Jets already appear to be slow playing taking Gus off of IR, due to having to waive someone when he does. As it is someone will get waived tomorrow to take Scheifele off IR, you bring up Heinola then another player needs to be waived, if Gus gets taken off IR another player needs to be waived. IMO Chevy will try to keep from losing his deeper depth players if he can avoid it.

 

[KingBogo]

Only way a tanev comes is if we move Schmidt in the deal cuz tanev shouldn’t sit, pionk shouldn’t, demelo shouldn’t so logically you’d think more depth D not a legit starter lol. Unless one of our rhd are shipped out (guys playing the right) I see it being like Stanley for a rental upgrade on Stanley type trade.

I still would be surprised if Stanley is a jet after the deadline.

Adding Tanev at the TDL, barely gives us enough depth to make it through a deep playoff run. Last season we were down Morrissey a couple games in, that kind of loss can't be made up, but adding Tanev would allow us to seamlessly keep going with any other D going down. Also allows a second injury to bring in a better player off the depth chart. The old adage is you can't win a cup without 10 NHL capable defenseman, due to the shear attrition of the Stanley Cup playoff grind.

 

[AtomicJets]

Might be a busy waiver wire tomorrow with guys getting healthy as their teams come back from the bye and all star break. Could be a good time to sneak a guy or two through without getting claimed.

 

[Jet]

Might be a busy waiver wire tomorrow with guys getting healthy as their teams come back from the bye and all star break. Could be a good time to sneak a guy or two through without getting claimed.

I think it's curtains for ajf for sure and maybe toni too

 

[Adam da bomb]

Adding Tanev at the TDL, barely gives us enough depth to make it through a deep playoff run. Last season we were down Morrissey a couple games in, that kind of loss can't be made up, but adding Tanev would allow us to seamlessly keep going with any other D going down. Also allows a second injury to bring in a better player off the depth chart. The old adage is you can't win a cup without 10 NHL capable defenseman, due to the shear attrition of the Stanley Cup playoff grind.

What teams have more depth at D?

I think it's curtains for ajf for sure and maybe toni too

Amazing journey for Toni. Going from top 6 to waiver fodder.

 

[Jet]

What teams have more depth at D?


Amazing journey for Toni. Going from top 6 to waiver fodder.

He started so strong but faded pretty fast

 

[bumblebeeman]

When do teams not have the roster limit, after the td or once playoffs start?

 

[Atoyot]

He started so strong but faded pretty fast

I thought he was pretty good throughout honestly. He was never going to maintain his original pace but he kept creating. I don't disagree that he's the right choice to put on waivers, but he was pretty solid.

 

[roccerfeller]

I think it is unlikely Heinola gets called up based on the numbers game. The Jets already appear to be slow playing taking Gus off of IR, due to having to waive someone when he does. As it is someone will get waived tomorrow to take Scheifele off IR, you bring up Heinola then another player needs to be waived, if Gus gets taken off IR another player needs to be waived. IMO Chevy will try to keep from losing his deeper depth players if he can avoid it.

This is a good point - I forgot about the musical chairs

 

[Thechozen1]

Hoping it’s Toninato as I would hate to lose AJF.

 

[KingBogo]

Hoping it’s Toninato as I would hate to lose AJF.

AJF is likely next after Toninato once Gus comes off IR.

 

[Dirtbag151]

When do teams not have the roster limit, after the td or once playoffs start?

From the end of the trade deadline until the end of the regular season there is no roster limit, however a team is only allowed to recall 4 players from their American Hockey league team. The team is allowed an unlimited number of emergency recalls if there are injuries on your current roster.

 

[Jet]

I thought he was pretty good throughout honestly. He was never going to maintain his original pace but he kept creating. I don't disagree that he's the right choice to put on waivers, but he was pretty solid.

He was better than AJF who I still love for his forecheck energy and ability to disrupt. If he could ever fine tune his hands he'd be a great 4th liner.

Just goes to show how deep we are this year when 4 bottom players have been entirely upgraded.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I thought he was pretty good throughout honestly. He was never going to maintain his original pace but he kept creating. I don't disagree that he's the right choice to put on waivers, but he was pretty solid.

Agree -- seemed like he was a net positive throughout, and seems like he's been a warrior for the Moose.

I like AJF more than most -- havoc machine with some hands who has become a top-shelf forechecker. Doubt he slips through this time.

 

[WolfHouse]

I'd be surprised if gus' injury doesn't last for the rest of the season

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If he's a perfect fit and the docs think his hip concerns are behind him I'd do 5x5. We have ELCs coming up for the majority of that span to help with the cap.

Scheifele and Helle won't be elite forever


Lots of hockey to be played before any of that can be analyzed or considered though first and foremost

Yes, this is premature, but I can't see Jets wanting him for more than a couple of years, if that.

We have ELCs coming up and we need spots for them. They can't help with the cap if they are playing in the AHL. We will start losing F like we have been losing D.

 

[WolfHouse]

Yes, this is premature, but I can't see Jets wanting him for more than a couple of years, if that.

We have ELCs coming up and we need spots for them. They can't help with the cap if they are playing in the AHL. We will start losing F like we have been losing D.

I think you're under-estimating Chevy's 2C PTSD... he lost Stas then PLD was a dud. If Monahan stays healthy this season, I could easily see a 5-6 year deal offered. Really seems like Perfetti is not going to be developed as a C and while I have high hopes for Lambert, that's a big ask next year.