Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[DRW204]

Have to wonder if Jets might be interested still in Morgan Frost. After next year, 2C is still a big question mark. Seems like Philly are listening on most.

i don't think the Jets would at the TDL now that Monahan is onboard. perhaps in the off-season though. Are you counting out Perfetti or Vilardi at C?

 

[King Woodballs]

I still feel the jets could use a depth D man.
But Heinola is coming back. So maybe they don’t.
Can never took many D men for the playoffs though.
Not sure they really need anything else at this point.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I have gone over his numbers a lot as well, the main sign of optimism I see is the Josh Anderson factor. His numbers away from Anderson aren't awfully bad considering the team, still not great defensively but overall looks a bit more respectable whereas Andersons' numbers are awful with or away from Sean.

The problem is that it is frustrating that we are even having to do these gymnastics trying to find positives after we spent a 1st round pick in a trade, with that level of asset the reason to give up that much should be obvious like it was with Stastny and even Hayes for that matter.

Lots of revisionist history here with stastny and Hayes also. Ppl weren’t that happy about them, likely the ppl bitching now about giving up a 1st now were bitching then. I think shock was with stastny, cuz he was off the board. Hayes was similar, Hayes tho gets shit on cuz Maurice decided he didn’t like him in the top 6 eventho dude is a legit top 6 guy and was pacing at that . No logical reason to put him on the 4th.


I’m not sure tho why these guys all need to be compared. Monahan brings what he brings to the perfetti and Ehlers tandem. How many 2 centers were actually available. GM seems to think the one he got was the best fit. I’ll bet another center goes but I’ll bet he goes to a US team.

Of the available centers, 2 were traded from a cdn team to another cdn team. The top 2 available cuz reality is most the guys ppl talk about, they don’t want to be here. Canada is on every NTC even Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal

And there are 25 percent of them in the league this year, 25 percent on elcs also roughly, which leaves 50 percent of players actually available to cdn teams. There’s a topic on the main boards about this. It’s seriously f***ing us and most cdn teams over.

 

[JetsFan815]

Lots of revisionist history here with stastny and Hayes also. Ppl weren’t that happy about them, likely the ppl bitching now about giving up a 1st now were bitching then. I think shock was with stastny, cuz he was off the board. Hayes was similar, Hayes tho gets shit on cuz Maurice decided he didn’t like him in the top 6 eventho dude is a legit top 6 guy and was pacing at that . No logical reason to put him on the 4th.


I’m not sure tho why these guys all need to be compared. Monahan brings what he brings to the perfetti and Ehlers tandem. How many 2 centers were actually available. GM seems to think the one he got was the best fit. I’ll bet another center goes but I’ll bet he goes to a US team.

Of the available centers, 2 were traded from a cdn team to another cdn team. The top 2 available cuz reality is most the guys ppl talk about, they don’t want to be here. Canada is on every NTC even Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal

And there are 25 percent of them in the league this year, 25 percent on elcs also roughly, which leaves 50 percent of players actually available to cdn teams. There’s a topic on the main boards about this. It’s seriously f***ing us and most cdn teams over.

With Stastny it was unequivocal rave reviews by the fanbase when that trade was made even before he had played a game because of how well he fit and how we got one of the players available at the position of need.

With Hayes, the only objection was that some thought that the Jets had been poor that season since the new year and did not look like a contender anymore, for example they were a bottom-10 team at 5v5 in Corsi and xGoals between the new year and the deadline and did not look like the juggernaut of the previous season. So some thought that that team did not deserve to be invested in. There was no opposition to the value they gave up to get Hayes, where they got probably the best 2nd best C availabe after Duchene who had no injury concerns and had been providing positive impact on both ends of the ice.

NTC for expiring deals are overrated. These guys are playing for their next contract, esp guys like Henrique or other guys who are on lottery teams whose value is artificially deflated due to the team they are on. Most of these guys are more than willing to waive NTC to go to a contender regardless of the location considering it is only a couple of months and half the time is on the road anyways. A NTC with 3 months left is not the same as a NTC with a 2-3 years left on the contract.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Rumours of retained Nick Dowd fetching a first now, very happy Chevy moved fast and got us Monahan asap. Seems like very few C's out there and a weak draft for late firsts

 

[JetsFan815]

A great discussion on the Monahan trade

 

[jokesondee]

Rumours of retained Nick Dowd fetching a first now, very happy Chevy moved fast and got us Monahan asap. Seems like very few C's out there and a weak draft for late firsts

I'd prefer his brother Wellen. More size.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Lots of revisionist history here with stastny and Hayes also. Ppl weren’t that happy about them, likely the ppl bitching now about giving up a 1st now were bitching then. I think shock was with stastny, cuz he was off the board. Hayes was similar, Hayes tho gets shit on cuz Maurice decided he didn’t like him in the top 6 eventho dude is a legit top 6 guy and was pacing at that . No logical reason to put him on the 4th.

I don’t recall anyone, anywhere thinking Stastny was a bad move.

 

[Romang67]

Lots of revisionist history here with stastny and Hayes also. Ppl weren’t that happy about them, likely the ppl bitching now about giving up a 1st now were bitching then. I think shock was with stastny, cuz he was off the board. Hayes was similar, Hayes tho gets shit on cuz Maurice decided he didn’t like him in the top 6 eventho dude is a legit top 6 guy and was pacing at that . No logical reason to put him on the 4th.


I’m not sure tho why these guys all need to be compared. Monahan brings what he brings to the perfetti and Ehlers tandem. How many 2 centers were actually available. GM seems to think the one he got was the best fit. I’ll bet another center goes but I’ll bet he goes to a US team.

Of the available centers, 2 were traded from a cdn team to another cdn team. The top 2 available cuz reality is most the guys ppl talk about, they don’t want to be here. Canada is on every NTC even Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal

And there are 25 percent of them in the league this year, 25 percent on elcs also roughly, which leaves 50 percent of players actually available to cdn teams. There’s a topic on the main boards about this. It’s seriously f***ing us and most cdn teams over.

Confirmed with Link: - Stastny (50% ret.) for Foley, 2018 1st, cond. 2020 4th

forums.hfboards.com

People were thrilled about the Stastny trade because everything indicated he was a really good player.

 

[DRW204]

Lots of revisionist history here with stastny and Hayes also. Ppl weren’t that happy about them, likely the ppl bitching now about giving up a 1st now were bitching then. I think shock was with stastny, cuz he was off the board. Hayes was similar, Hayes tho gets shit on cuz Maurice decided he didn’t like him in the top 6 eventho dude is a legit top 6 guy and was pacing at that . No logical reason to put him on the 4th.


I’m not sure tho why these guys all need to be compared. Monahan brings what he brings to the perfetti and Ehlers tandem. How many 2 centers were actually available. GM seems to think the one he got was the best fit. I’ll bet another center goes but I’ll bet he goes to a US team.

Of the available centers, 2 were traded from a cdn team to another cdn team. The top 2 available cuz reality is most the guys ppl talk about, they don’t want to be here. Canada is on every NTC even Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal

And there are 25 percent of them in the league this year, 25 percent on elcs also roughly, which leaves 50 percent of players actually available to cdn teams. There’s a topic on the main boards about this. It’s seriously f***ing us and most cdn teams over.

Might want a refresher. Ppl were thrilled about Stastny. I remember listening to 1290 when that trade dropped along with HF and consensus was folks were pumped on that trade bc they felt he would fit that second line center spot better than little.

Edit @Romang67 posted it above.

 

[Wpgpage]

It's probably asking to much but I would love to see one more pickup on the wings preferably a RH shot to bump Apples down. If Seattle falls out I think Eberle would be a great fit. I could also see Atkinson being available but he has a 10 team NTC and another year at 5.875 is tough.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

It's probably asking to much but I would love to see one more pickup on the wings preferably a RH shot to bump Apples down. If Seattle falls out I think Eberle would be a great fit. I could also see Atkinson being available but he has a 10 team NTC and another year at 5.875 is tough.

I wonder if Rutger could slide onto that wing if he’s wants to join the jets.

I personally would prefer he not rush in and burn a year off his ELC. But if he’s gung ho and the jets think he could help - might be a playoff flyer or a black ace.

Krieder and knies both did similar and made impacts. Fresh legs. Only 30 gp.

Joining for a playoff push then going to the ahl the next year isn’t unprecedented.

 

[Gil Fisher]

We should trade for Martin for the Wild games.

 

[Jet]

It's probably asking to much but I would love to see one more pickup on the wings preferably a RH shot to bump Apples down. If Seattle falls out I think Eberle would be a great fit. I could also see Atkinson being available but he has a 10 team NTC and another year at 5.875 is tough.

I mean we have internal solutions if Rick would just lose his Appleton boner.

I do really like Eberle though

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

1st pick gone so the Jets might already be done unless they trade a lesser prospect or late round pick for a depth D man.

There is still the Mtl 2nd and the 25 1st plus prospects and the later picks. Not saying any of those should be traded but Chevy has no lack of ammunition.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

There is still the Mtl 2nd and the 25 1st plus prospects and the later picks. Not saying any of those should be traded but Chevy has no lack of ammunition.

We still have more than enough assets.

The freak outs on the board if we trade next years first or mtl second will be worth it alone.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Really don't think the Jets need another stay at home /defense first type dmen. This teams been incredible in the GA department with a combo of defense and their goaltending.

Now a bit more offense from the back I can get by certainly, chris tanev isn't that guy though.

Would have been in favor of Chychrun but without a 1st and chevy's low propensity to move high end prospects I don't think that'll happen. Not sure who else is really available.

It has been team defense and goaltending. I don't know that our D corps has actually been that good. They are being successful playing the system and backed up by Helle. We are still giving up a lot of shots and quite a few dangerous chances. Helle is bailing us out.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't really agree with that. I think you can remain a competitive d&d team, and also trade away top picks as long as you're not doing it every year.

The Jets might not have magnificent prospect depth but we do have gems in the system at every position. These players should integrate into the big club covering age out and contractual attrition, giving the Jets time to build up the next crop of prospects

It goes beyond not doing it every year to doing it only in rare years. I've always been opposed to expensive rentals - until this year. I didn't even like the Stastny trade in 18, though that one certainly worked out well.

This year is the rare combination of a contending team with a strong prospect pool.

What is the worst thing about the Monahan trade IMO? It is not that Chevy paid too much. It is that he should have paid more to get better somewhere. But since he didn't do that he still has ammunition to do more. I'm not advocating making moves just for the sake of making moves but I would still like to see an upgrade at RHD.

 

[JetsFan815]

There is still the Mtl 2nd and the 25 1st plus prospects and the later picks. Not saying any of those should be traded but Chevy has no lack of ammunition.

I would not trade next year's 1st. You never know what's gonna happen next year and can't trade it this far out.

It's probably asking to much but I would love to see one more pickup on the wings preferably a RH shot to bump Apples down. If Seattle falls out I think Eberle would be a great fit. I could also see Atkinson being available but he has a 10 team NTC and another year at 5.875 is tough.

I think the Jets only have enough assets to either get an upgrade on RD or an upgrade on RW unless they pinch into the prospect pool which I don't see them doing. Of those two I prefer an upgrade on RD to get some additional security of having one of Pionk/Schmidt as you #7D. Right now we are just 1 injury on D away from Logan Stanley in the lineup or if you are being optimistic Heinola who may or may not be up to it. On the other hand we have a bit more depth at F if there are injuries.

Eberle would be great on the Lowry line but unfortunately I am not so certain that Bones sees Appleton on that line as room for an upgrade.

Chevy also loves trading a late round pick as additional depth d in a #8-9 type of role (your Morrows and Bogdan Kiselevichs). So I fully expect him to trade a 6th-7th rounder for a guy who slots around Capo in the depth chart.

 

[Buffdog]

I would not trade next year's 1st. You never know what's gonna happen next year and can't trade it this far out.



I think the Jets only have enough assets to either get an upgrade on RD or an upgrade on RW unless they pinch into the prospect pool which I don't see them doing. Of those two I prefer an upgrade on RD to get some additional security of having one of Pionk/Schmidt as you #7D. Right now we are just 1 injury on D away from Logan Stanley in the lineup or if you are being optimistic Heinola who may or may not be up to it. On the other hand we have a bit more depth at F if there are injuries.

Eberle would be great on the Lowry line but unfortunately I am not so certain that Bones sees Appleton on that line as room for an upgrade.

Chevy also loves trading a late round pick as additional depth d in a #8-9 type of role (your Morrows and Bogdan Kiselevichs). So I fully expect him to trade a 6th-7th rounder for a guy who slots around Capo in the depth chart.

I'm curious to see what they do with the D down the stretch. All 6 are playing well but as you said, there needs to be some insurance. It wouldn't be ideal to parachute one of Stanley or heinola into the lineup after not having played at the NHL level for months if an injury pops up

Either they have to start working their internal depth guys into games to get them up to speed or they have to go out and get a veteran RHD who has been playing. I have a feeling they'll do the latter

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I would not trade next year's 1st. You never know what's gonna happen next year and can't trade it this far out.



I think the Jets only have enough assets to either get an upgrade on RD or an upgrade on RW unless they pinch into the prospect pool which I don't see them doing. Of those two I prefer an upgrade on RD to get some additional security of having one of Pionk/Schmidt as you #7D. Right now we are just 1 injury on D away from Logan Stanley in the lineup or if you are being optimistic Heinola who may or may not be up to it. On the other hand we have a bit more depth at F if there are injuries.

Eberle would be great on the Lowry line but unfortunately I am not so certain that Bones sees Appleton on that line as room for an upgrade.

Chevy also loves trading a late round pick as additional depth d in a #8-9 type of role (your Morrows and Bogdan Kiselevichs). So I fully expect him to trade a 6th-7th rounder for a guy who slots around Capo in the depth chart.

I didn't suggest trading the 25 1st, only note that it is there.
As for the prospects, the only ones I consider untouchable are McGroarty, Salomonsson, Milic and Divincentiis. The goalies need to be kept at least until we know what we have there. Any others could go, for the right return.

 

[WolfHouse]

We should trade for Martin for the Wild games.

Call up viel

I'd put vilardi monahan ehlers and perfetti on the ir for one game... one of them won't survive hartman

 

[WolfHouse]

I'm curious to see what they do with the D down the stretch. All 6 are playing well but as you said, there needs to be some insurance. It wouldn't be ideal to parachute one of Stanley or heinola into the lineup after not having played at the NHL level for months if an injury pops up

Either they have to start working their internal depth guys into games to get them up to speed or they have to go out and get a veteran RHD who has been playing. I have a feeling they'll do the latter

Lyubushkin for a 4th

 

[Jets 31]

I never thought of Mantha before, he would be great on the Lowry line with Neo .

 

[Whileee]

It has been team defense and goaltending. I don't know that our D corps has actually been that good. They are being successful playing the system and backed up by Helle. We are still giving up a lot of shots and quite a few dangerous chances. Helle is bailing us out.

What are you basing this assessment on? The data pretty clearly show that the Jets are near the best in the NHL in preventing shots and expected goals against at 5v5.

It's true that it's a full team effort, but you don't get these results without effective defense pairings.