Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

[BoHorvat 53]

At this point I'm starting to get more sold on him coming back - under the assumption we can find a way to upgrade our RHD. With him back - even if we have to ship out Garland or another piece as long as we have a solid RHD coming back we should theoretically be a pretty solid team.

We addressed nicely what cost us the playoffs last year - our penalty killing was atrocious to start the year last year and directly cost us a seat at the postseason table.

With Calgary clearly faltering I'm not opposed to switching strategies to win now mode - forget this year or 2 retool let's start hitting the gas. With Miller on our team our window is clearly now.

Our window to make the playoffs and get stomped on by a Colorado, St. Louis, Vegas in the first round is clearly now

 

[VancouverJagger]

Our window to make the playoffs and get stomped on by a Colorado, St. Louis, Vegas in the first round is clearly now

Nahhhh - if we can add a quality RHD I think with our goaltending we would stand a chance against anyone with keeping Miller in the lineup.

We have to believe that as I don't see things getting better here unless we absolutely ACE a Miller trade - and right now that doesn't appear to be in the cards.

Face it - with Miller on our team (and an improved D) this is probably as good as we will get in the foreseeable future.

 

[deckercky]

At this point I'm starting to get more sold on him coming back - under the assumption we can find a way to upgrade our RHD. With him back - even if we have to ship out Garland or another piece as long as we have a solid RHD coming back we should theoretically be a pretty solid team.

We addressed nicely what cost us the playoffs last year - our penalty killing was atrocious to start the year last year and directly cost us a seat at the postseason table.

With Calgary clearly faltering I'm not opposed to switching strategies to win now mode - forget this year or 2 retool let's start hitting the gas. With Miller on our team our window is clearly now.

I think there's a chance Miller sees how some of the contracts play out this season, and his ask comes down to where he and the Canucks can get a deal done.

If that happens, I could see (and would support) Horvat being moved to fill holes in the roster.

 

[604]

I don’t understand why you’re being so Volatile about Canucks fans.

We have wanted JT Miller to be traded since the last deadline, it’s literally been the main talking point in the city for the last year.

We were told To wait until the draft, and he still did not get traded, Canucks fans are annoyed.

We were then told it would happen during free agency, once again, nothing happened.

Now our management suddenly says, no we have to wait until the next deadline, many are f***ing furious.

We believe JT Miller should get a haul, because he absolutely should have, but they overplayed the hand, they tried to sign him, and this is what happens

I actually disagree.

I don't think the majority of Canucks fans have been waiting for a Miller trade, most don't want Miller traded at all.

There is a HF Canucks group think that I don't think is representative of the majority of fans.

Also, nobody in management said that Miller would be traded at the draft or free agency - there's certainly been speculation but the comments of "management said" are more you inputting your feeling onto management then them actually saying anything like that.

 

[Love]

I actually disagree.

I don't think the majority of Canucks fans have been waiting for a Miller trade, most don't want Miller traded at all.

There is a HF Canucks group think that I don't think is representative of the majority of fans.

Also, nobody in management said that Miller would be traded at the draft or free agency - there's certainly been speculation but the comments of "management said" are more you inputting your feeling onto management then them actually saying anything like that.

I think Rutherford said something like “We’ll know by the draft if we can keep Miller long term”

 

[rypper]

The 2021 offseason for Benning really was a case study in WTF not to do.

2016 too.

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

I think Rutherford said something like “We’ll know by the draft if we can keep Miller long term”

And Millers agent said there is a path to an extension, which means they know they can keep him long term. Provided they agree to something. JR also said that if a month before TDL there is no extension in place, that's where they will be under the gun to find a deal. Kane may be the bigger fish at TDL, but NMC=he chooses where he goes, and likel gives 1-3 teams he feels can win the cup. Miller can go to any team that is interested, and at half the salary as Kane. Making him an easier pick up.

As for a deal, I have always preferred to keep him. I would be ok with something like 6x8-8.5 or 8x7-7.5 as his deals. More money in the 8 year deal on his retirement contract, but lowers the cap hit to the team during their main competitive window. Getting him at 8 years also lowers Horvats ask a bit as Miller is the more valuable player. Maybe 8x6.5 for Horvat. Our buyouts pay for his increase and some of millers. All we need to do to afford Miller is dump Pearson and replace him with a kid on the farm.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

As for a deal, I have always preferred to keep him. I would be ok with something like 6x8-8.5 or 8x7-7.5 as his deals. More money in the 8 year deal on his retirement contract, but lowers the cap hit to the team during their main competitive window. Getting him at 8 years also lowers Horvats ask a bit as Miller is the more valuable player. Maybe 8x6.5 for Horvat. Our buyouts pay for his increase and some of millers. All we need to do to afford Miller is dump Pearson and replace him with a kid on the farm.

These seem like reasonable numbers. Takes into account the age at the tail end, and the risk factor, but also provides a ton of security and likely some huge paychecks across the first few years.

Much easier to retool the team over a 2 year period when you aren't trying to replace your best producing player.

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

These seem like reasonable numbers. Takes into account the age at the tail end, and the risk factor, but also provides a ton of security and likely some huge paychecks across the first few years.

Much easier to retool the team over a 2 year period when you aren't trying to replace your best producing player.

My thinking as well. We get a new top 4 guy and keep Miller and Horvat. I think Miller can be productive into his mid 30's, his style of play usually translates well into older ages. We could see our longest competitive window in the history of the Canucks. The twins had 3 years realistically, the West Coats Express had 2 or 3 years. Those are our longest runs of being dominant. This team could give us more if built right. That will also mean trading some futures after the cupboards are restocked a bit over the next couple years to keep it that way as well.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Seravalli just said that Miller definitely wants to stay in Vancouver and that Vancouver is trying to re-sign him but Seravalli mentions he doesnt know how serious Van really is at re-signing Miller because they arent even in the same ballpark in contract negotiations especially in terms of term.

Sounds like Canucks are only offering 4-5 years while Miller's camp wants 6-8 obviously

 

[Edgelord]

Now I am hoping Miller signs an 8yr deal with Vancouver, be nice to see a player want to stay for once.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Now I am hoping Miller signs an 8yr deal with Vancouver, be nice to see a player want to stay for once.

Miller has said multiple times he loves the City and loves Vancouver and feels gratitude and loyal to them for giving him an actual shot in the NHL. His agent also came out yestrday and said Miller wants to extend, Canucks just need to meet them halfway.


I dont think it will take an 8 year contract to extend Miller, At least for Canuck fans, we hope not,

I'd be happy with a 6 yr deal.....jumping for joy with a 5 even if AAV is higher.

Now I am hoping Miller signs an 8yr deal with Vancouver, be nice to see a player want to stay for once.

Also, Canucks havent had issues extending and keeping their American players,


Demko
Q Hughes
Boeser

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

Miller has said multiple times he loves the City and loves Vancouver and feels gratitude and loyal to them for giving him an actual shot in the NHL. His agent also came out yestrday and said Miller wants to extend, Canucks just need to meet them halfway.


I dont think it will take an 8 year contract to extend Miller, At least for Canuck fans, we hope not,

I'd be happy with a 6 yr deal.....jumping for joy with a 5 even if AAV is higher.



Also, Canucks havent had issues extending and keeping their American players,


Demko
Q Hughes
Boeser

I prefer longer term with less AAV to keep us competitive. a Lower AAV also lowers what Horvat will get as well IMO. if Miller wants 6-8 and we want 4-5, just give him a 6th or 7th year already...

 

[EverTheCynic]

I prefer longer term with less AAV to keep us competitive. a Lower AAV also lowers what Horvat will get as well IMO. if Miller wants 6-8 and we want 4-5, just give him a 6th or 7th year already...

I mean, if we are signing Miller i would hope that means Bo is gone at the deadline.

 

[BCNate]

I prefer longer term with less AAV to keep us competitive. a Lower AAV also lowers what Horvat will get as well IMO. if Miller wants 6-8 and we want 4-5, just give him a 6th or 7th year already...

I agree, I think it all shakes out as a 6 year deal. 6 year x 8.5 seems to be pretty fair. I expect that his contract will come in close to $50 million regardless of whether that is term or AAV driven.

Canucks have addressed a few of their issues this offseason in terms of PK and forward depth. If we keep Miller, we can roll an excellent top 9, and and a big physical 4th line. Defense still has some room to improve, but that can wait till next offseason if need be. That group did a great job last season, despite some limitations. Goalies will be a strength again.

It will be interesting to see where this goes, but I fully expect see Miller at camp in Whistler with a new contract this fall.

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

I mean, if we are signing Miller i would hope that means Bo is gone at the deadline.

We can afford to keep both. with Millers versatility we can be the deepest team at centre with Ep, Miller, Bo and Lazar. Or we can stack our top 6.

 

[Alluckks]

I don't see how Miller re-signs for less than 7 years at 8.5 per year.

If Miller scores just 80 points this season he has a good case to get that on the open market.

If Miller scores 95+ then teams will be offering closer to 7 years 9 - 9.5 per year.

Gaudreau turns 29 in less than a month. 7 years, 9.75 per year. And that is with an additional year where the cap is super tight. Gaudreau had 115 last year, but was under a PPG in each of the two years prior. Miller's camp would have a good case to bring to teams.

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

I don't see how Miller re-signs for less than 7 years at 8.5 per year.

If Miller scores just 80 points this season he has a good case to get that on the open market.

If Miller scores 95+ then teams will be offering closer to 7 years 9 - 9.5 per year.

Gaudreau turns 29 in less than a month. 7 years, 9.75 per year. And that is with an additional year where the cap is super tight. Gaudreau had 115 last year, but was under a PPG in each of the two years prior. Miller's camp would have a good case to bring to teams.

Kadri thought the same, and isn't signed. Miller wants to compete, and competitive teams don't have cap space. He either needs to take less and compete, or take a payday and go to a bottom feeding team for a good chunk of his remaining career. Klingberg is the same. Gaudreau has a bigger resume of production and produced more during those years.

 

[Alluckks]

Kadri thought the same, and isn't signed. Miller wants to compete, and competitive teams don't have cap space. He either needs to take less and compete, or take a payday and go to a bottom feeding team for a good chunk of his remaining career. Klingberg is the same. Gaudreau has a bigger resume of production and produced more during those years.

Kadri
36 points in 51 games
32 points in 56 games
87 points in 71 games
.87 PPG in his last 3 years before this new contract (we'll leave out his 44 points in 73 game season 4 years ago)

Miller
72 in 69 games
46 in 53 games
99 in 80 games
1.07 PPG in those 3 years, and that goes up to 1.10 if he scores 95+ again

Gaudreau
58 in 70 games
49 in 56 games
115 in 82 games
1.067 PPG in those 3 years


Gaudrea turns 29 in less than a month
Miller just turned 29 this March, he would be 30 for a few months when his new contract starts
Kadri turns 32 in October this year

Kadri is not the same at all.

Also, taking a pay day in Vancouver would lump him in with closer to a bottom team than a contending team.

Vancouver fans go on and on about Miller and his production, rejuvenation, and how he is a new player ever since in Vancouver when lobbying to trade him to other teams, but then make excuse after excuse when contract numbers are proposed. It is laughable.

7 years, 8.5 per year to keep him now (maybe you can get him at 8x8 with full trade protections). If Miller scores 95+ again then that number only goes up.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I just appreciate that the Miller camp is playing ball with the Canucks and arent cornering them under a rock and a hard place.

Imagine if they came out with a statement saying they dont plan on signing a long term deal with the Canucks. This would plummet and diminish the return value for Miller even further.

Miller maybe very much feel like he isnt going to re-sign with the Canucks but the fact that his camp came out yesterday expressing they would be more than happy to extend in Vancouver allows Rutherford to have some leverage still in trade negotiations with other teams.

If teams knew Miller is out in a 1 year and that Rutherford is desperate then obviously value is lower.... At least now Rutherford can bluff and say if you dont give us a good offer, were re-signing him.

 

[BCNate]

We can afford to keep both. with Millers versatility we can be the deepest team at centre with Ep, Miller, Bo and Lazar. Or we can stack our top 6.

We are in as good a shape as any team capwise going forward after this season. We have plenty to sign our key guys, and in two years when EP is up for a new deal, we are out from most of our bad deals.

 

[innitfam]

We are in as good a shape as any team capwise going forward after this season. We have plenty to sign our key guys, and in two years when EP is up for a new deal, we are out from most of our bad deals.

Also, Holtby and Virtanen buyouts are done + Ferland's contract is up

 

[BCNate]

Also, Holtby and Virtanen buyouts are done + Ferland's contract is up

Dickinson, Pearson and Meyers will also be on expiring deals, so the cost to move them won't be too high. Like every team, things will be tight, but there is certainly room to sign all our key players. Worst case Kuzmenko comes in and earns a high dollar deal, but that would be a good problem to have.

 

[Quinning]

I think he'll resign and Garland will be moved.

They seem to have misread what his value is around the league, teams don't want to pay a premium for a possible rental with only one superstar season under his belt in case he regresses back to the norm.

He's still a PPG player at worst based on his last 3 seasons overall. And a huge part of the team.

At this point I'm starting to get more sold on him coming back - under the assumption we can find a way to upgrade our RHD. With him back - even if we have to ship out Garland or another piece as long as we have a solid RHD coming back we should theoretically be a pretty solid team.

We addressed nicely what cost us the playoffs last year - our penalty killing was atrocious to start the year last year and directly cost us a seat at the postseason table.

With Calgary clearly faltering I'm not opposed to switching strategies to win now mode - forget this year or 2 retool let's start hitting the gas. With Miller on our team our window is clearly now.

Yeah, Calgary and Vancouver are now about on par after our upgrades and their regression.

 

[Bgav]

The 2021 offseason for Benning really was a case study in WTF not to do.

We need a documentary on him. How one man f***ed over an entire franchise for over 7 years and escaping being fired every time. f*** I hate him so much