Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

[Just A Bit Outside]

I actually disagree.

I don't think the majority of Canucks fans have been waiting for a Miller trade, most don't want Miller traded at all.

There is a HF Canucks group think that I don't think is representative of the majority of fans.

Also, nobody in management said that Miller would be traded at the draft or free agency - there's certainly been speculation but the comments of "management said" are more you inputting your feeling onto management then them actually saying anything like that.

If you don’t think the majority of Canucks fans don’t want Miller traded, you are reading the wrong Boards.

 

[MikeK]

I can't speak for my fellow fans, but for myself I have no interest extending Miller and have been on the trade wagon for the entire year. I have no apatite for extending a player who'll be 31 during the first year of his extension when that extension is likely going to be in the 7-8 year range. Even if it's considered a loss of a trade I'd rather trade him than hand out some ridiculous extension that will look more like an anchor in year 3 than it does anything else.

 

[wintersej]

I don't see how Miller re-signs for less than 7 years at 8.5 per year.

If Miller scores just 80 points this season he has a good case to get that on the open market.

If Miller scores 95+ then teams will be offering closer to 7 years 9 - 9.5 per year.

Gaudreau turns 29 in less than a month. 7 years, 9.75 per year. And that is with an additional year where the cap is super tight. Gaudreau had 115 last year, but was under a PPG in each of the two years prior. Miller's camp would have a good case to bring to teams.

Even in discount, you usually see discounts in AAV, not term. What is good about Miller long term, if you are trying to talk yourself into it, is that when he loses a step he obviously can move to wing.

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

I think he'll resign and Garland will be moved.

They seem to have misread what his value is around the league, teams don't want to pay a premium for a possible rental with only one superstar season under his belt in case he regresses back to the norm.

He's still a PPG player at worst based on his last 3 seasons overall. And a huge part of the team.



Yeah, Calgary and Vancouver are now about on par after our upgrades and their regression.

I'd argue that we are better. They really weren't much better than us with Gaudreau, our poor start had little to do with the players on the ice, and mostly to do with having a bush league coach. Our additions and them losing Geudreau I feel make them worse. Losing Tkachuk will put them in a rebuild mode, with the assets for a quick turn around.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

I just appreciate that the Miller camp is playing ball with the Canucks and arent cornering them under a rock and a hard place.

Imagine if they came out with a statement saying they dont plan on signing a long term deal with the Canucks. This would plummet and diminish the return value for Miller even further.

Miller maybe very much feel like he isnt going to re-sign with the Canucks but the fact that his camp came out yesterday expressing they would be more than happy to extend in Vancouver allows Rutherford to have some leverage still in trade negotiations with other teams.

If teams knew Miller is out in a 1 year and that Rutherford is desperate then obviously value is lower.... At least now Rutherford can bluff and say if you dont give us a good offer, were re-signing him.

Man you really go all out with your spins and conjecture, lol
His agent and him have always maintained his openess to staying and the story from the Athletic (I'd post but it's a paid subscription)

Came across quite genuine. Why wouldn't he wanna stay? He's become the guy here, the young core look up to him, the coach loves him and after all the shit the last 2 years everything changed under Bruce and despite what the haters say this is a really good team that with a few tweaks is right on the cusp and he knows he is a huge part of that. JT strikes me as someone who prefers to stick around where he's comfortable, he's a loyal dude who has made real friends here and he's the man here. If he goes to another team he risks losing that role and the type of bonds he's made here.

And as far as from Alvin's pov, it was always the preference to keep him as long as JT wanted to be here.
Of course if someone meets the exuberant price that makes you a better team now then that's different but otherwise getting a mediocre return doesn't help now or in a future with the young core we have.
The article made it sound like they've made some progress and we've improved the roster and losing JT wastes that.
It seems that with the cap expected to rise to 90+ possibly in 24-25 teams are getting around the flat cap by giving term to key guys well into their late 30s keeping the avv lower and I think that's what will end up happening. If the cap is at 991-92 when JT is 37-38 and he's making 8ish, that's like him making 5-6 million right now, hell there's always the chance he ends up on LTIR for all we know but for us fans who gives a crap about the cap 6-8 years from now when he's such a good fit and valuable piece now.
Plus we don't have anyone making over 8 and only Petey might get a really massive deal but again the cap will be up by then.

Is a 1st round pick in the late 20s or worse and a prospect or two really gonna be better than what we're getting now and should continue to get for at least anther 5-6 years.
Anyone who says we can't afford to pay him 8-8.5 million when we have nothing even close to the huge individual salaries we see on so many teams is just being lazy or unaware of our contracts. Sakic paid Landy in a very similar situation despite paying Cale 9 for only 5 years and knowing Nates gonna get at least AM type money. Lots of other ways to clear cap and if they want to trade for a top 4 D then trade Garland, move Dickinson,. Poolman, Pearson
Trading Dickinson and replacing him with elc pretty much covers JTs raise until the cap shoots up.
Send Tucker to Zona and trade Garland for Severson and call it a day.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

I’d just like clarity on miller situation (one way or the other) before we hit training camp… s*** or get off the pot! Either agree on a reasonable renewal or trade him. The later still seems to be the most likely of outcomes with the way our cap is currently structured!

 

[theKRAKhouse]

If you don’t think the majority of Canucks fans don’t want Miller traded, you are reading the wrong Boards.

Ya cause all of the worlds Canucks fans us hfboards only to express themselves

Everyone of your posts get worse than the last lol

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

Man you really go all out with your spins and conjecture, lol
His agent and him have always maintained his openess to staying and the story from the Athletic (I'd post but it's a paid subscription)

Came across quite genuine. Why wouldn't he wanna stay? He's become the guy here, the young core look up to him, the coach loves him and after all the shit the last 2 years everything changed under Bruce and despite what the haters say this is a really good team that with a few tweaks is right on the cusp and he knows he is a huge part of that. JT strikes me as someone who prefers to stick around where he's comfortable, he's a loyal dude who has made real friends here and he's the man here. If he goes to another team he risks losing that role and the type of bonds he's made here.

And as far as from Alvin's pov, it was always the preference to keep him as long as JT wanted to be here.
Of course if someone meets the exuberant price that makes you a better team now then that's different but otherwise getting a mediocre return doesn't help now or in a future with the young core we have.
The article made it sound like they've made some progress and we've improved the roster and losing JT wastes that.
It seems that with the cap expected to rise to 90+ possibly in 24-25 teams are getting around the flat cap by giving term to key guys well into their late 30s keeping the avv lower and I think that's what will end up happening. If the cap is at 991-92 when JT is 37-38 and he's making 8ish, that's like him making 5-6 million right now, hell there's always the chance he ends up on LTIR for all we know but for us fans who gives a crap about the cap 6-8 years from now when he's such a good fit and valuable piece now.
Plus we don't have anyone making over 8 and only Petey might get a really massive deal but again the cap will be up by then.

Is a 1st round pick in the late 20s or worse and a prospect or two really gonna be better than what we're getting now and should continue to get for at least anther 5-6 years.
Anyone who says we can't afford to pay him 8-8.5 million when we have nothing even close to the huge individual salaries we see on so many teams is just being lazy or unaware of our contracts. Sakic paid Landy in a very similar situation despite paying Cale 9 for only 5 years and knowing Nates gonna get at least AM type money. Lots of other ways to clear cap and if they want to trade for a top 4 D then trade Garland, move Dickinson,. Poolman, Pearson
Trading Dickinson and replacing him with elc pretty much covers JTs raise until the cap shoots up.
Send Tucker to Zona and trade Garland for Severson and call it a day.

I agree that losing him hurts the team now and in the long term. I've wanted to re-sign him this whole time, but if we can't. If he is going to UFA after this year, trading him now for a 20ish pick and a prospect or two helps us now, and in the long term. In the now, it forces coaching staff to give those minutes to someone else, and hopefully Kuz, Mik, or Pod step up and earn those minutes. In the long term, 3 good prospects in 22-23 is better than nothing at all in 22-23.

In closing. Sign him before TDL, or trade him before TDL. there are no other options with JT

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Ya cause all of the worlds Canucks fans us hfboards only to express themselves

Everyone of your posts get worse than the last lol

That's not true.

I've had some pretty terrible ones in the past.

 

[604]

If you don’t think the majority of Canucks fans don’t want Miller traded, you are reading the wrong Boards.

I'm a season ticket holder that goes to games.

So I guess what I'm saying is the guys I talk to that go to games generally don't think 100% in line with what this board thinks.

I'd say we all either want to see a full tear down (Chicago Blackhawks style) or to just go for it this year (trade our 1st for a top pair RD), then do a full tear down when the cycle ends.

 

[JAK]

We need a documentary on him. How one man f***ed over an entire franchise for over 7 years and escaping being fired every time. f*** I hate him so much

Easy, one word, ownership.

 

[Canuck86]

I’d just like clarity on miller situation (one way or the other) before we hit training camp… s*** or get off the pot! Either agree on a reasonable renewal or trade him. The later still seems to be the most likely of outcomes with the way our cap is currently structured!

Agreed, we can't have this a distraction during the year. We all know the media will ask the same dumb questions...

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

Agreed, we can't have this a distraction during the year. We all know the media will ask the same dumb questions...

The only thing ruining Canadian Markets are the Media.

 

[Dump Itch]

Canucks aint' gonna trade JT miller and JT miller is gonna bounce next year once his contract is up. Gaudreau style

 

[LBCANUCK]

sounds like they are playing a game of chicken with both teams that want him and JTs agent. I believe that the Canucks would like to extend him to a 6 year deal or something in the high 7s low 8s.

Me personally I love the player but the past management has done such a poor job mining assets and stocking the cupboards that we need to trade him even if its not the home run most fans would expect. I predict they trade him for a very modest return with cap space being the real trophy in the deal.

 

[Kingsfan1]

If one of your guys needs is a RHD , I think or believe the Kings will be getting Miller soon . And I sure as hell hope so ! Blake is just working on an extension with Miller and trying to make him take a slight discount with his pitch of how he sees this team beyond this season and so on . Like he did with everyone else . I believe Millers extension will
Be 5-6 years . It’s to quiet after we got Fiala and we still haven’t had a presser which is weird .
People keep mentioning we need a LHD but we have amazing depth on D and it’s a young man’s world we had defenseman after defenseman step in and perform and exceed expectations. I see something around Walker + Turcotte + idk what for him if he signs an extension we shall see .

This is based off a hunch and a comment Luc Robitaille made to my wife and I at Nobu in Malibu . Got to run into my favorite Kings player of all time it was surreal and we spoke briefly . He also mentioned some prospects that might surprise us Kings fans in the near future we didn’t expect and he mentioned we will trade a player that might surprise few fans . So who knows . I believe he was referring to a prospect .

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

If one of your guys needs is a RHD , I think or believe the Kings will be getting Miller soon . And I sure as hell hope so ! Blake is just working on an extension with Miller and trying to make him take a slight discount with his pitch of how he sees this team beyond this season and so on . Like he did with everyone else . I believe Millers extension will
Be 5-6 years . It’s to quiet after we got Fiala and we still haven’t had a presser which is weird .
People keep mentioning we need a LHD but we have amazing depth on D and it’s a young man’s world we had defenseman after defenseman step in and perform and exceed expectations. I see something around Walker + Turcotte + idk what for him if he signs an extension we shall see .

This is based off a hunch and a comment Luc Robitaille made to my wife and I at Nobu in Malibu . Got to run into my favorite Kings player of all time it was surreal and we spoke briefly . He also mentioned some prospects that might surprise us Kings fans in the near future we didn’t expect and he mentioned we will trade a player that might surprise few fans . So who knows . I believe he was referring to a prospect .

I guess we'll call you the newest Hockey Insider?

 

[Canucks LB]

Jt to Florida?

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Man you really go all out with your spins and conjecture, lol
His agent and him have always maintained his openess to staying and the story from the Athletic (I'd post but it's a paid subscription)

Came across quite genuine. Why wouldn't he wanna stay? He's become the guy here, the young core look up to him, the coach loves him and after all the shit the last 2 years everything changed under Bruce and despite what the haters say this is a really good team that with a few tweaks is right on the cusp and he knows he is a huge part of that. JT strikes me as someone who prefers to stick around where he's comfortable, he's a loyal dude who has made real friends here and he's the man here. If he goes to another team he risks losing that role and the type of bonds he's made here.

And as far as from Alvin's pov, it was always the preference to keep him as long as JT wanted to be here.
Of course if someone meets the exuberant price that makes you a better team now then that's different but otherwise getting a mediocre return doesn't help now or in a future with the young core we have.
The article made it sound like they've made some progress and we've improved the roster and losing JT wastes that.
It seems that with the cap expected to rise to 90+ possibly in 24-25 teams are getting around the flat cap by giving term to key guys well into their late 30s keeping the avv lower and I think that's what will end up happening. If the cap is at 991-92 when JT is 37-38 and he's making 8ish, that's like him making 5-6 million right now, hell there's always the chance he ends up on LTIR for all we know but for us fans who gives a crap about the cap 6-8 years from now when he's such a good fit and valuable piece now.
Plus we don't have anyone making over 8 and only Petey might get a really massive deal but again the cap will be up by then.

Is a 1st round pick in the late 20s or worse and a prospect or two really gonna be better than what we're getting now and should continue to get for at least anther 5-6 years.
Anyone who says we can't afford to pay him 8-8.5 million when we have nothing even close to the huge individual salaries we see on so many teams is just being lazy or unaware of our contracts. Sakic paid Landy in a very similar situation despite paying Cale 9 for only 5 years and knowing Nates gonna get at least AM type money. Lots of other ways to clear cap and if they want to trade for a top 4 D then trade Garland, move Dickinson,. Poolman, Pearson
Trading Dickinson and replacing him with elc pretty much covers JTs raise until the cap shoots up.
Send Tucker to Zona and trade Garland for Severson and call it a day.

Why wouldn’t he want to stay? Maybe he wants a chance at a Cup and he’s not delusional.
Who’s to say he doesn’t understand capfriendly aka how screwed we are?

 

[Kingsfan1]

I guess we'll call you the newest Hockey Insider?

Lol never , I don’t got any insider info just gut instincts and dialect out of luck

 

[Peter Griffin]

Jt to Florida?

They'd need Vancouver to take back Hornqvist and potentially retain on Miller, so unless they're offering Lundell, I don't see it.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

I am more curious to see if hurricanes, blues or islanders feel any pressure now… both have been linked to be going after tkachuk or miller.

 

[canadianmagpie]

I am more curious to see if hurricanes, blues or islanders feel any pressure now… both have been linked to be going after tkachuk or miller.

The only issue is that the Canucks would be after one of the RHD on those teams. Pesce, who for all intents and purposes is unavailable. Dobson, who is in that same category and Parayko, who I'm sure they wouldn't want to part with either.

 

[Fraser28]

Jt to Florida?

Florida needs to improve their defense, not their forward group.

 

[Eggtimer]

I can see NJ interested after Gaudreau and Tkachuk misses .
I think Fitz had his mind set on adding one more top 6 / top line forward.