Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....
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Raistlin
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would be entertaining that we get Marino through NJ. Bahl will be interesting, and the first of course, lottery protected if its 2023.
JT Miller ($1.25m retained and extension pre-negotiated) and Hoglander
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Roslovic and Jiricek
Curious what Columbus and Vancouver fans think of this proposal as a base for a trade. (Now, I understand that both sides will nitpick about one side or the other needing to add a draft pick here or there and that can't be helped)
This would be a cap-neutral transaction for both teams for this upcoming year and Columbus will be able to afford to extend Miller the following year with Nyquist coming off the books. Hoglander will likely get more ice time with CBJ than he gets under Boudreau (and their crowded top 9) and hopefully this will lead to him developing and growing into a legitimate top-6 winger for Columbus by then to help replace Nyquist when he leaves for UFA. This would also give Columbus a first line center with size in Miller who can win board battles and faceoffs to play with Gaudreau and Laine. That would be an amazing first line.
Losing Miller means Pettersson and Horvat will both need to move up on the center depth charts for the Canucks, so Roslovic gives them a third line center while Jiricek gives them the blue-chip RD prospect that they desperately need.
Thoughts?
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Roslovic and Jiricek
Curious what Columbus and Vancouver fans think of this proposal as a base for a trade. (Now, I understand that both sides will nitpick about one side or the other needing to add a draft pick here or there and that can't be helped)
This would be a cap-neutral transaction for both teams for this upcoming year and Columbus will be able to afford to extend Miller the following year with Nyquist coming off the books. Hoglander will likely get more ice time with CBJ than he gets under Boudreau (and their crowded top 9) and hopefully this will lead to him developing and growing into a legitimate top-6 winger for Columbus by then to help replace Nyquist when he leaves for UFA. This would also give Columbus a first line center with size in Miller who can win board battles and faceoffs to play with Gaudreau and Laine. That would be an amazing first line.
Losing Miller means Pettersson and Horvat will both need to move up on the center depth charts for the Canucks, so Roslovic gives them a third line center while Jiricek gives them the blue-chip RD prospect that they desperately need.
Thoughts?
Peter Griffin
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This is a ridiculous scenario but hear me out.
-Miller 50% retained with extension and hoglander for Dobson (canucks then sign for $5x5)
-OEL 1.5 retained for Necas (assuming OEL would wave for a contender)(canucks sign necas $3.5x3)
-Pearson for a bag of pucks
Canucks currently have -$2.7m in cap space. With the exits of retained miller and OEL as well as the full contract of Pearson and hoglander, we would have $9.95. After the additions we would have $1.45 in cap space. (Numbers might be slightly off)
Logic for trades;
Hurricanes need LD and have surplus RW. OEL at 5.5 makes sense for a team in win now mode
NYI are under pressure to improve next season and Jt miller is exactly the type of player they need. Also their defence would still be good in the absence of Dobson. Since the NYI would no longer need to resign Dobson, they could afford signing miller.
Lineup
Kuzmenko-petey-boeser
Podz-horvat-garland
Lockwood-necas-mikheyev
Dickinson?-lazar-joshua
Hughes-dobson
Dermott-myers
Rathbone-schenn
The following season the canucks could trade Dickinson assuming he improves his game and last year was just a down year. The retention on miller also goes away so the canucks would have enough cap space to resign horvat, Kuzmenko, dermott, schenn, Burroughs, etc.
Also, they could trade the last year of myers to gain $6 mil if they wanted to make a free agent move.
Am I delusional or what?
-Miller 50% retained with extension and hoglander for Dobson (canucks then sign for $5x5)
-OEL 1.5 retained for Necas (assuming OEL would wave for a contender)(canucks sign necas $3.5x3)
-Pearson for a bag of pucks
Canucks currently have -$2.7m in cap space. With the exits of retained miller and OEL as well as the full contract of Pearson and hoglander, we would have $9.95. After the additions we would have $1.45 in cap space. (Numbers might be slightly off)
Logic for trades;
Hurricanes need LD and have surplus RW. OEL at 5.5 makes sense for a team in win now mode
NYI are under pressure to improve next season and Jt miller is exactly the type of player they need. Also their defence would still be good in the absence of Dobson. Since the NYI would no longer need to resign Dobson, they could afford signing miller.
Lineup
Kuzmenko-petey-boeser
Podz-horvat-garland
Lockwood-necas-mikheyev
Dickinson?-lazar-joshua
Hughes-dobson
Dermott-myers
Rathbone-schenn
The following season the canucks could trade Dickinson assuming he improves his game and last year was just a down year. The retention on miller also goes away so the canucks would have enough cap space to resign horvat, Kuzmenko, dermott, schenn, Burroughs, etc.
Also, they could trade the last year of myers to gain $6 mil if they wanted to make a free agent move.
Am I delusional or what?
- Jake Gardiner is cleared and will try to play.
- As a result, the Canes don’t have the cap space to do this, even if they wanted to.
- They wouldn’t as Skjei is fine as a 2nd pairing D at his number and a $5 mil+ D on the 3rd pairing is inefficient.
- Svechnikov played with Necas a lot last year. When Jarvis and Aho weren’t with Svechnikov in the playoffs, Teravainen was on the other side. Someone was playing LW in those instances. Pacioretty is a LHS LW. Martinook rounds it out. There’s no surplus of anything.
- Actually, trading Necas for a D creates a deficit in Top 6 forwards.
- And a preemptive no, J.T. Miller is not of interest right now, at least imo. While they pursued Tkachuk, he is just 24.
Forge
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Devils are pretty much cap strapped at this juncture. We'd have to make other moves first or Vancouver is taking back dead money, and I'm not sure they are in a position to do that
Love
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If we’re dealing with Columbus, who I think is a great fit for Miller and has tons of pieces the Canucks would covet, Miller for Roslovic, Peeke, 1st is more realistic imo.
Sparksrus3
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You are not delusional. You are just a newbie who is excited to be here . I can and do recognize all the thought you put into this .
spockBokk
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I definitely agree. They have Jiricek for the future, no way they're moving him. Eventually a top 4 RHD of Boqvist and Jiriceck. For the canucks that's a solid return. Maybe even throw in a guy like dermott going to columbus who can play both sides and fill in until Jiricek is a full time NHLer. I think Jake Bean can play both sides too, although I'm not entirely sure.
Columbus: Get's the better player (upgrade on Roslovic). A line of Gaudreau-Miller-Laine would be sick.
Vancouver: Solidifies top 4 RHD spot and still keeps the center position relatively deep with Petey, Bo, and Roslovic.
Love
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In addition to Boqvist and Jiricek Columbus also has Ceulemans whos another RD they drafted in the first round last year. Could also include Gudbranson who’s locked up for the next 4 years although he’s obviously not the future solution.
Oh true I forgot about him Ceulemans. They're defense is gonna be solid in the coming years.
SeanMoneyHands
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Depends on how big the bag of pucks is tbh, like are we talking grocery store bag or garbage bag size?
Vancouver and Calgary will not be making any kind of high impact trade with one another
If they weren’t in the same division, they would actually make great trading partners tho
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
I don’t think the inter-division is what stops a deal… it’s more the fact of miller (likely) wanting to re-sign in US. I mean, if he’s not resigning in Vancouver then I highly doubt he will with Calgary. Obviously $ plays a factor too…
Probably a great fit, but no return for Vanvouver should be focused on a LD and an undersized winger prospect, either.
Regardless of what Miller wants, Calgary and Vancouver as currently constructed will likely be battling all year for playoff spots. I’m not just talking about Miller here. Vancouver will not be moving anyone of consequence to a divisional competitor, likewise for the flames.
SeanMoneyHands
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Isn’t Dube one of the guys potentially mired up in the 2018 scandal? No way Van is touching that with a 10 ft pole until his name is cleared
Quinning
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Want nothing to do with Dube if he's remotely connected to that scandal
We've had enough trouble with Boucher, Leipsic and Virtanen
We've had enough trouble with Boucher, Leipsic and Virtanen
