Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

[Connor McConnor]

If you want to make a fool of yourself, I don't mind feeding you.

"Who" told you? If you are referring to local media/hosts, we are already aware that they are clowns. They certainly don't represent the fanbase here.

When Poolman was signed I don't recall anyone penciling him in the Top 4, or even said it was a good signing. Most people felt it was too long and too much AAV. He was a bottom pairing dman who got a ridiculous term.

The Dickinson signing was received better, but many were still lukewarm about it at best. Even before he played a single game, many noted his lack of offense and considered him a waste of a pick.

If you Googled you probably can find outliers amongst the fanbase who support your claim, but really that's confirmation bias and is not representative of what most people think. This can easily be verified by reading the threads created when they were signed.

You are literally just making up narratives in a pathetic attempt to piss people off. It's pretty sad really because that seems like the only channel for you to get attention.

I never said the fanbase said those things though, you are writing me an essay about something that may be a misunderstanding. I simply said the two guys, Sat Shah and that other Italian idiot on SN650 said it, similar to the other ridiculous valuations they regularly make on their players.

Not sure why that triggered you or the rest of your "Canuck Army" guys so much, I wouldn't care if you told me that Spector/Stauffer are idiots, I'd agree with you and so would most Oiler fans. But don't then come back and get so upset when I quote what they say when you guys want to use them as sources.

 

[BlamBlam]

Ok without getting into the actual returning parts, I think Boston makes sense for Miller.

If Bergeron and Krejci come back the Bruins realistic window is 2-3 years. Some might disagree and others could say that it’s already over.

They won’t be able to assume Marchand and MacAvoy will return without issue from surgery and their additions would bring them back into the playoff picture if they’ve dropped off.

The point is not to put themselves in a position to rely on players coming back from injury to ensure they get in. Bruins need or should be a playoff team by the New Year already and with Miller they’ll be right there waiting for crucial pieces (or Kadri as a similar move, just UFA and the whole Leafs thing).

Miller’s contract will be ugly, but for a team who commits to an aging core, only the next handful of years matter anyways. They fall short, roster goes into rebuild and Miller despite being on the decline… doesn’t matter so much. His contract will be done when the new core starts to take over but isn’t getting paid yet.

 

[Canucks LB]

I just love how even after what the market is clearly showing about guys on 1 year deals left and paying 30 year old soon to be UFAs, Canuck fans are still delusional thinking they are getting a haul back for Miller

I don’t understand why you’re being so Volatile about Canucks fans.

We have wanted JT Miller to be traded since the last deadline, it’s literally been the main talking point in the city for the last year.

We were told To wait until the draft, and he still did not get traded, Canucks fans are annoyed.

We were then told it would happen during free agency, once again, nothing happened.

Now our management suddenly says, no we have to wait until the next deadline, many are f***ing furious.

We believe JT Miller should get a haul, because he absolutely should have, but they overplayed the hand, they tried to sign him, and this is what happens

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

If you want to make a fool of yourself, I don't mind feeding you.

"Who" told you? If you are referring to local media/hosts, we are already aware that they are clowns. They certainly don't represent the fanbase here.

When Poolman was signed I don't recall anyone penciling him in the Top 4, or even said it was a good signing. Most people felt it was too long and too much AAV. He was a bottom pairing dman who got a ridiculous term.

The Dickinson signing was received better, but many were still lukewarm about it at best. Even before he played a single game, many noted his lack of offense and considered him a waste of a pick.

If you Googled you probably can find outliers amongst the fanbase who support your claim, but really that's confirmation bias and is not representative of what most people think. This can easily be verified by reading the threads created when they were signed.

You are literally just making up narratives in a pathetic attempt to piss people off. It's pretty sad really because that seems like the only channel for you to get attention.

Everyone knows, anything Benning did was hated instantly by the fan base after year 4. The only thing they were hoping for was for him to hit the road.

 

[OVO16]

They probably end up keeping him at this point

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

I don’t understand why you’re being so Volatile about Canucks fans.

We have wanted JT Miller to be traded since the last deadline, it’s literally been the main talking point in the city for the last year.

We were told To wait until the draft, and he still did not get traded, Canucks fans are annoyed.

We were then told it would happen during free agency, once again, nothing happened.

Now our management suddenly says, no we have to wait until the next deadline, many are f***ing furious.

We believe JT Miller should get a haul, because he absolutely should have, but they overplayed the hand, they tried to sign him, and this is what happens

We are, but at the end of the day we should only be angry if we don't trade him at the TDL or he doesn't re-sign(preferred IMO). GM's send 1sts and C-B prospects for 3rd liners all the time at TDL. I would imagine they give a lot more for a 1c/1lw/1rw(what ever they need him to be) who PK's, defensively responsible(yes he will give up on a play and hang his head down to the bench, but he is responsible when in his own zone), solid on the dot, etc etc etc. I would imagine the worst case scenerio is a 1st, A prospect and a 2nd, with us likely getting a 4th piece in there. We will need to retain to improve that, but we would be stupid not to if we are selling an asset at TDL.

They probably end up keeping him at this point

Only if we resign him. He will be traded at some point by TDL if he isn't. JR has gone on record to say he will not walk for nothing, I doubt he goes back on that.

 

[Canuck86]

I just love how even after what the market is clearly showing about guys on 1 year deals left and paying 30 year old soon to be UFAs, Canuck fans are still delusional thinking they are getting a haul back for Miller

what are you talking about...if the Canucks move him they will get a 1st round pick and a good prospect back, anything above that is considered gravy.

TDL is over half a year away, so if he stays a Canucks until the HF users are just going to have to deal with the JT threads and what some Canuck fans want in return.

Or better yet!!!! Avoid going into JT Miller threads instead.....

 

[Canuck86]

No chance. DeBrincat is a more valuable asset than Miller and went for much less

Because he is younger and a 40g scorer right or that he had 78pts compared to JT Miller and his 99pts?

What player is more desirable for playoff teams come this trade deadline...it ain't the small pp specialist forward, its the all situations player in JT Miller.

Winning a cup is what all teams want and what GM's need to secure long term job employment, not saying we traded for a guy who will be 25 and an rfa but ya we lost in round 1 after acquiring him

Poolman and Dickinson were their two “favourite signings” this time last year and now they want both dumped lmao

Say what...those 2 signings were bad from the beginning. We traded a pick for Dickinson, when we could have just waited till FA and signed a C to a 1yr deal and kept the draft pick, something Benning was allergic to doing to try and keep his job

They probably end up keeping him at this point

Cause the TDL is today right...

 

[Canucks LB]

Miller's agent: There's a 'realistic path' for extension with Canucks

After months of hearing his name crop up in trade rumors, versatile forward J.T. Miller is still a member of the Vancouver Canucks and, according to his agent, Brian Bartlett, he wouldn't necessarily mind keeping it that way."I do think there's a realistic path for an extension with the...

www.thescore.com

 

[Cogburn]

The more I think about an ideal situation, the more I like the Capitals.

A fan proposed their first, Iorio, McMicheal, and I want to say Eller, for Miller at half retained.

I'd see if they would be interested in Jensen (instead of Eller) or adding Van Rymsdyk if we include DiPietro. The smooths out as man needs we have as possible.

Miller's agent: There's a 'realistic path' for extension with Canucks

After months of hearing his name crop up in trade rumors, versatile forward J.T. Miller is still a member of the Vancouver Canucks and, according to his agent, Brian Bartlett, he wouldn't necessarily mind keeping it that way."I do think there's a realistic path for an extension with the...

www.thescore.com

Yeah this sounds promising.

 

[Alluckks]

The "realistic path" there to stay is 9 per year for 8 years

 

[Cogburn]

The "realistic path" there to stay is 9 per year for 8 years

If the cap hit exceeds his actual earnings in the last 3 years and there is no trade protection there...maybe.

 

[zcaptain]

It still come back to NJ wanting to field the best team possible for me.................

Miller and Hoglander for Severson and Mukhamulin, makes a lot of sense for me

Straight up...nice and clean

Both Miller and Severson are on their last year of their contracts,

Miller>Severson and Mukhamulin>Hoglander

If NJ wants the Canucks to retain 50% this year..............it will cost a 2nd, which I think is fair

 

[wintersej]

It still come back to NJ wanting to field the best team possible for me.................

Miller and Hoglander for Severson and Mukhamulin, makes a lot of sense for me

Straight up...nice and clean

Both Miller and Severson are on their last year of their contracts,

Miller>Severson and Mukhamulin>Hoglander

If NJ wants the Canucks to retain 50% this year..............it will cost a 2nd, which I think is fair

No one cares about Miller until Calgary makes their trades.

 

[Cogburn]

It still come back to NJ wanting to field the best team possible for me.................

Miller and Hoglander for Severson and Mukhamulin, makes a lot of sense for me

Straight up...nice and clean

Both Miller and Severson are on their last year of their contracts,

Miller>Severson and Mukhamulin>Hoglander

If NJ wants the Canucks to retain 50% this year..............it will cost a 2nd, which I think is fair

That's far too light. Even as a worst case scenario, a Luongo-trade-demand situation, we should be able to get more than a top four D and a prospect.

 

[Soups On]

The more I think about an ideal situation, the more I like the Capitals.

A fan proposed their first, Iorio, McMicheal, and I want to say Eller, for Miller at half retained.

I'd see if they would be interested in Jensen (instead of Eller) or adding Van Rymsdyk if we include DiPietro. The smooths out as man needs we have as possible.


Yeah this sounds promising.

Capitals are a team that will always go for it with Ovechkin. A forward group of Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Miller, Oshie, Mantha, Wilson, Brown, Strome, Sheary, and with a dramatic return for playoffs by Backstrom, is disgusting.

 

[Cogburn]

Capitals are a team that will always go for it with Ovechkin. A forward group of Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Miller, Oshie, Mantha, Wilson, Brown, Strome, Sheary, and with a dramatic return for playoffs by Backstrom, is disgusting.

That would give me a team to cheer for when the Canucks are out of contention.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Miller and his agent looking at Kadri right now :

 

[Soups On]

Edit - double post please delete mods

 

[platotld]

If you want to make a fool of yourself, I don't mind feeding you.

"Who" told you? If you are referring to local media/hosts, we are already aware that they are clowns. They certainly don't represent the fanbase here.

When Poolman was signed I don't recall anyone penciling him in the Top 4, or even said it was a good signing. Most people felt it was too long and too much AAV. He was a bottom pairing dman who got a ridiculous term.

The Dickinson signing was received better, but many were still lukewarm about it at best. Even before he played a single game, many noted his lack of offense and considered him a waste of a pick.

If you Googled you probably can find outliers amongst the fanbase who support your claim, but really that's confirmation bias and is not representative of what most people think. This can easily be verified by reading the threads created when they were signed.

You are literally just making up narratives in a pathetic attempt to piss people off. It's pretty sad really because that seems like the only channel for you to get attention.

Confirmed with Link: - Canucks sign D Tucker Poolman to 4-Year, $10M Deal ($2.5M AAV)

Confirmed with Link: - Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)

Vancouver Canucks sign Jason Dickinson three-year deal - TSN.ca

forums.hfboards.com

If you go through there you are correct, kinda Meh for both signings.

 

[AHLdepth]

Confirmed with Link: - Canucks sign D Tucker Poolman to 4-Year, $10M Deal ($2.5M AAV)

Confirmed with Link: - Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)

Vancouver Canucks sign Jason Dickinson three-year deal - TSN.ca

forums.hfboards.com

If you go through there you are correct, kinda Meh for both signings.

The day we signed Poolman I was really happy with it, I remember thinking "Wow! What even is the league minimum? 2.5 over 4 years isn't that......"

Then I realized it was 2.5 per year

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

The 2021 offseason for Benning really was a case study in WTF not to do.

 

[Luck 6]

I wonder if Miller is comparing himself to Gaudreau.

Comparatively Miller put up 16 less points in 2 less games. But he did play on a worse team, with much less offensive support, and plays the more important position. Even if he took a bit less than that as Gaudreau clearly had the better season, and considering they are the same age, you’d probably be looking at a 6 year deal at 9mil per season. That would seem like a baseline.

If he wants more term, add years at the end at about 5mil per season. That puts you at 8.43mil for 7years or 8mil for 8 years.

I bet we’re at about 8mil for 6 years, so we are about 6 million apart.

 

[Lackhalak]

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[VancouverJagger]

At this point I'm starting to get more sold on him coming back - under the assumption we can find a way to upgrade our RHD. With him back - even if we have to ship out Garland or another piece as long as we have a solid RHD coming back we should theoretically be a pretty solid team.

We addressed nicely what cost us the playoffs last year - our penalty killing was atrocious to start the year last year and directly cost us a seat at the postseason table.

With Calgary clearly faltering I'm not opposed to switching strategies to win now mode - forget this year or 2 retool let's start hitting the gas. With Miller on our team our window is clearly now.