Confirmed with Link: All-Purpose "Days of Our Meruelo" Talk

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

More fans were always needed but how are fans added? Not through 2 and half decades of near constant incompetence both on and off the ice with constant relocation threats, bad arena deals, and being the biggest paper bag fan base in sports. What casual fan is willingly joining that? Add in that every other major valley team had championship shots or at least playoff runs through the mid-late 2010’s and you create a market that is completely apathetic to what rightfully was the red-headed step child of the state.

 

[TheLegend]

You're the first to admit that more fans are needed. Regarding your last sentence - I'd wager only for the no shows.

Actually I’m only the first you’re willing to acknowledge.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

More fans were always needed but how are fans added? Not through 2 and half decades of near constant incompetence both on and off the ice with constant relocation threats, bad arena deals, and being the biggest paper bag fan base in sports. What casual fan is willingly joining that? Add in that every other major valley team had championship shots or at least playoff runs through the mid-late 2010’s and you create a market that is completely apathetic to what rightfully was the red-headed step child of the state.

'nuff said.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Actually I’m only the first you’re willing to acknowledge.

Ah, but you did it w/o excuses. The top of this page is a prime example.

'nuff said.

You do love your excuses, I'll give you that!

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

You do love your excuses, I'll give you that!

If I plant a seed and I fail to give it sunlight and water and it doesn't grow or even worse, dies, I don't think my failure to provide everything it needs to survive and thrive would be considered an excuse. It would be considered neglect.

Why should growing the sport of hockey in Arizona be seen any differently?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

If I plant a seed and I fail to give it sunlight and water, and it dies, I don't think my failure to provide everything it needs to grow and be healthy would be considered an excuse. It would be considered neglect.

Why should growing the sport of hockey in Arizona be seen any differently?

I don't know, you're the one who touted the attendance at America West in the early years as being adequate..... and then the excuses started flowing.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Phoenix - Historical Population Data
Year	Population	Growth Rate
1996	2,530,000	3.82%

Note the population has nearly doubled since 1996

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I don't know, you're the one who touted the attendance at America West in the early years as being adequate..... and then the excuses started flowing.

Whatever dude. Things happen for a reason as the old saying goes, not because of excuses.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Whatever dude. Things usually happen for a reason as the old saying goes, not because of excuses.

Of course they do and it's the reasons that make it hard. Those that can't handle the reasons are not only poor "fans", they will miss out on the sweetest part of any potential success because they weren't there for the hard parts.... AND they're puking wimps, dude.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Of course they do and it's the reasons that make it hard. Those that can't handle the reasons are not only poor "fans", they will miss out on the sweetest part of any potential success because they weren't there for the hard parts.... AND they're puking wimps, dude.

I'm tired of responding to your nonsense. I tried (and failed) at not letting you suck me in for round 2.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I'm tired of responding to your nonsense. I tried (and failed) at not letting you suck me in for round 2.

THANK YOU!!!

Enjoy the game tonight!

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Expecting consumers to buy a box labeled "Violent Burrito Diarrhea, Now With Extra Syphilis!" is unrealistic, especially if its in a store known for finicky customers.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

There were multiple failure points in the failed NHL presence in Arizona. It is unfortunate that some see only lack of community support as the root cause of the loss of the franchise.

This is a non inclusive list of failure points. Please feel free to add on.

1. Location, location, location
2. NHL malpractice in choosing/ approving ownership
3. Lack of ownership expertise/ concern in building community/ government/ industry relationships.
4. Woefully inadequate funding/ building the on ice product.
5. Weak support from transplant hockey fans who would only go to games against their hometown teams.

 

[Desert Ice 11]

I'm tired of responding to your nonsense. I tried (and failed) at not letting you suck me in for round 2.

It is easy to become overwhelmed, particularly when contending with perceptions that seem to anticipate failure. While this may not be the reality, it is evident that some individuals will overlook positive aspects and are quick to highlight every negative detail.

 

[GhostofTommyBolin]

There were multiple failure points in the failed NHL presence in Arizona. It is unfortunate that some see only lack of community support as the root cause of the loss of the franchise.

This is a non inclusive list of failure points. Please feel free to add on.

1. Location, location, location
2. NHL malpractice in choosing/ approving ownership
3. Lack of ownership expertise/ concern in building community/ government/ industry relationships.
4. Woefully inadequate funding/ building the on ice product.
5. Weak support from transplant hockey fans who would only go to games against their hometown teams.

I'll add a #6, which i think is the biggest factor: this just isn't a great sports town. I've been here for 30 years and I think the best way to describe it is "positive indifference." Most people don't have anything against the sports/teams here, and they may even enjoy going to games time to time, but they just aren't big sports fans.

Spring Training does well here because it's a tourist attraction. The Suns usually draw because they were Phoenix's first team, so there's a sense of fan ownership from the natives. The Cardinals have a small pocket of rabid fans, but even a lot of them sell their tickets to visiting fans that escape colder climates. The D-backs play in a soulless airplane hangar, just made the World Series, and they still can't sell tickets. The Coyotes moved to the East Valley where supposedly all their "real" fans are, and couldn't sell 4600 tickets. If you dropped capacity to 4600 in any other NHL city, you'd have people fighting over them. Even Columbus.

Even golf--a huge part of the Valley's economy--only draws fans at the PGA tournament here for the party. 95% of the attendees are only vaguely aware there's golf being played.

I don't know how I'd describe what Phoenix is, but "sports town" ain't it.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

It is easy to become overwhelmed, particularly when contending with perceptions that seem to anticipate failure. While this may not be the reality, it is evident that some individuals will overlook positive aspects and are quick to highlight every negative detail.

Isn't that the truth, all the negativity about the drive, cost of tickets, lack of stability etc., etc., etc. Fortunately, there were still fans willing to attend games and remain as positive as possible, despite it all, unfortunately, there just weren't enough of them. It's a damn shame, because the asshats actually had things moving in the right direction on the ice, but now those same loyal fans will watch another city enjoy the fruits of a higher anticipated level of success.

I'll add a #6, which i think is the biggest factor: this just isn't a great sports town. I've been here for 30 years and I think the best way to describe it is "positive indifference." Most people don't have anything against the sports/teams here, and they may even enjoy going to games time to time, but they just aren't big sports fans.

Spring Training does well here because it's a tourist attraction. The Suns usually draw because they were Phoenix's first team, so there's a sense of fan ownership from the natives. The Cardinals have a small pocket of rabid fans, but even a lot of them sell their tickets to visiting fans that escape colder climates. The D-backs play in a soulless airplane hangar, just made the World Series, and they still can't sell tickets. The Coyotes moved to the East Valley where supposedly all their "real" fans are, and couldn't sell 4600 tickets. If you dropped capacity to 4600 in any other NHL city, you'd have people fighting over them. Even Columbus.

Even golf--a huge part of the Valley's economy--only draws fans at the PGA tournament here for the party. 95% of the attendees are only vaguely aware there's golf being played.

I don't know how I'd describe what Phoenix is, but "sports town" ain't it.

The Suns had all those same problems for decades.

 

[Sinurgy]

Expecting consumers to buy a box labeled "Violent Burrito Diarrhea, Now With Extra Syphilis!" is unrealistic, especially if its in a store known for finicky customers.

That's the problem with this town, there's just not enough people who like syphillis packed violent burrito diarrhea.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

That's the problem with this town, there's just not enough people who like syphillis packed violent burrito diarrhea.

It's the hot item this year, I've been told.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

It's the hot item this year, I've been told.

They're planning on coming out with a new one in five years, with even more syphilis and chunks of normal feces!

My mouth is already watering!

 

[Jakey53]

Well, considering this is the official release, maybe take off your tinfoil hat for a minute.

There were multiple failure points in the failed NHL presence in Arizona. It is unfortunate that some see only lack of community support as the root cause of the loss of the franchise.

This is a non inclusive list of failure points. Please feel free to add on.

1. Location, location, location
2. NHL malpractice in choosing/ approving ownership
3. Lack of ownership expertise/ concern in building community/ government/ industry relationships.
4. Woefully inadequate funding/ building the on ice product.
5. Weak support from transplant hockey fans who would only go to games against their hometown teams.

How about the NHL screwing everyone in AZ by not monetarily supporting the team under their ownership. Did we even have a scouting dept. under the NHL ownership?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

How about the NHL screwing everyone in AZ by not monetarily supporting the team under their ownership. Did we even have a scouting dept. under the NHL ownership?

We had three of our best years under NHL ownership, oh my, how we suffered.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

We had three of our best years under NHL ownership, oh my, how we suffered.

We did suffer, for the next bunch of years, due to poor drafting and development.

 

[GhostofTommyBolin]

How about the NHL screwing everyone in AZ by not monetarily supporting the team under their ownership. Did we even have a scouting dept. under the NHL ownership?

Do you even think about what you post or do you just vomit up every half-baked thought you have? Google takes a microsecond to tell you information.

Yeah, rough four seasons. Highest four winning percentages in the history of the Coyotes. Made the playoffs 3 of those 4. Missed the playoffs in the lockout-shortened season by 5 points. Real shitty operation by the NHL.

Coincidentally, three of those were the 3 lowest-attended seasons other than the two in Mullett. So maybe winning doesn't solve the problem, eh?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Do you even think about what you post or do you just vomit up every half-baked thought you have? Google takes a microsecond to tell you information.

Yeah, rough four seasons. Highest four winning percentages in the history of the Coyotes. Made the playoffs 3 of those 4. Missed the playoffs in the lockout-shortened season by 5 points. Real shitty operation by the NHL.

Coincidentally, three of those were the 3 lowest-attended seasons other than the two in Mullett. So maybe winning doesn't solve the problem, eh?

The poor attendance was due to the lack of stability! Don't you read the excuses?

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I'm sorry I'm late for work this morning. I got rear ended on the way in.

@Coyotedroppings : "Excuses, excuses, excuses!"