Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part V

[Shady Machine]

Ehem. ECF in 2012, SCF in 2014, ECF in 2015 and are only behind Detroit in terms of most times making the playoffs since the 2005 lock out.

Stanley Cups: 0

Again, I'm not saying the Rangers haven't been successful over the past decade, but they aren't a perennial winner. I'd say that title really only belongs to Chicago and maybe LA. Pittsburgh (who I'm a fan of) went too many years in between Cup wins to really call them that).

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I think the point was you shouldn't be called a "perennial winner" when you haven't won the Cup in 22 years, is all.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'm not sure. You tell me. The last I looked, the Rangers haven't won a Stanley Cup in a long time. They made it to a Cup finals in in 2014 and conference finals in 2015. Outside of that, they haven't made it past the 2nd round since the 05 lockout. Does that qualify as 'perennial winner'?

We also made the conference finals in the 2012 playoffs. Its 3 of the last 5 seasons that we've been one of the final 4 teams.

In the last five seasons, here are the teams to win the most playoff series

10: Hawks, Kings
9: Rangers
7: Penguins

Yeah, we are a perennial winner. Just because we don't have a Stanley Cup in recent seasons doesn't mean we aren't one of the biggest winners in the NHL over the last five seasons. Actually, you could say we are more of a perennial winner than those other teams as their "winning" is padded by winning the Cup, while ours is long playoff runs almost every season.

 

[ghdi]

I'm not sure of everything that goes into this, but it's pretty well known around the league that the Rangers are an organization who really, really, really treats its players well. Whether that's medical care, ensuring the players comfort, etc... They've definitely built a reputation.

And Chicago doesn't? Boston doesn't? Just about every franchise Vesey has on his list are organizations where players are treated well.

C'mon. I don't argue that the Rangers don't, but Vesey isn't choosing between the Rangers and the Kootenay Ice though. The differences are not great enough.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Of course he isnt demanding in person meetings in Boston, but yea, by not keeping an arms distance from teams and him and his agent not deciding that they will be fielding offering via phone call/video chat, they let this evolve into a circus

Any sales person is going to prefer to sit you down in person for their pitch and his agent knows this. They are making this more of a circus than needed with this whole courting process

You make most important life decisions by talking to people in person rather than on the phone or video chat. I'm not sure why this should be any different.

It's only a circus to people who are rabidly following every move.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

The Rangers easily have the cap space now and projectable cap space two years down the road when he'll need to sign again. The Rangers have been very nice to Vesey's buddy Kevin Hayes. IMO giving him a $2.6 mil per 2 year contract after something of a sophomore slump was pretty damn generous. The Rangers as well have a lot of connections to Boston area hockey and NYC is not that far away from Boston and the Rangers have been a very very good team the last several years.

So if you're Vesey and Detroit is too far away and you don't want to play for your hometown team and you want to play for a playoff team that is in cap position to give you a very nice second contract--the Rangers are a very very good option---fact is there might not be another team in the East that fits all those criteria right now better than the Rangers.

except that team that is like 10 miles away across the river

are the Rangers really that much better than NJ starting in 2016? I would say no.

 

[eco's bones]

Who counts ECFs? And losses in Cup Finals? They mean nothing.

They don't matter in 2016. Those Ranger teams are not the same Rangers today.

Coming from someone whose team hasn't been in the playoffs the last four years.

 

[Kitchener Boy]

Kreider left college at 21, Vesey at 23. Big difference. Compare them at the same age, and Kreider has better stats.

Vesey had better stats in his college career and Kreider played on a far superior team.

Big difference

 

[NjDevsRR]

We also made the conference finals in the 2012 playoffs. Its 3 of the last 5 seasons that we've been one of the final 4 teams.

In the last five seasons, here are the teams to win the most playoff series

10: Hawks, Kings
9: Rangers
7: Penguins

Yeah, we are a perennial winner. Just because we don't have a Stanley Cup in recent seasons doesn't mean we aren't one of the biggest winners in the NHL over the last five seasons. Actually, you could say we are more of a perennial winner than those other teams as their "winning" is padded by winning the Cup, while ours is long playoff runs almost every season.

Then go ahead and put up another meaningless banner for it. Just for comparison most Devils fans stopped calling the team a perennial winner of sorts around the 08-09 season after 5 years of no cups. We just called ourselves a contender.

Rangers will still be solid for the next 2-3 years but they are definitely trending downward. Lets see if Vesey wants to be a part of that. Maybe so, who knows.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Kreider left college at 21, Vesey at 23. Big difference. Compare them at the same age, and Kreider has better stats.

Vesey left at 22*

 

[Shady Machine]

We also made the conference finals in the 2012 playoffs. Its 3 of the last 5 seasons that we've been one of the final 4 teams.

In the last five seasons, here are the teams to win the most playoff series

10: Hawks, Kings
9: Rangers
7: Penguins

Yeah, we are a perennial winner. Just because we don't have a Stanley Cup in recent seasons doesn't mean we aren't one of the biggest winners in the NHL over the last five seasons. Actually, you could say we are more of a perennial winner than those other teams as their "winning" is padded by winning the Cup, while ours is long playoff runs almost every season.

I guess we just have different definitions of winning. If I'm Vesey and my goal is to win, I don't go to the team that's generally successful in the regular season but can never get it done in the playoffs (especially when their best player is 34). I pick the young up and coming team that I can grow with (Buffalo) or the established winners (Chicago, Pittsburgh) that have openings in their top 6. I do think NYR are an attractive option for Vesey, I just reject this perennial winner thing.

 

[ghdi]

Coming from someone whose team hasn't been in the playoffs the last four years.

The fact that the team I root for hasnt been in the playoffs in a couple years is irrelevant to the fact that Conference Finals appearances and Finals losses mean nothing.

The most recent Ranger team was out in the first round without many changes made.

 

[eco's bones]

except that team that is like 10 miles away across the river

are the Rangers really that much better than NJ starting in 2016? I would say no.

With the addition of Hall New Jersey's offense should be better this year. They have very good to excellent goaltending.

IMO Larsson was your best defenseman though. That's a big loss. You're going to have to have some of your younger D take a big step forward this year and the question is will they?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

We also made the conference finals in the 2012 playoffs. Its 3 of the last 5 seasons that we've been one of the final 4 teams.

In the last five seasons, here are the teams to win the most playoff series

10: Hawks, Kings
9: Rangers
7: Penguins

Yeah, we are a perennial winner. Just because we don't have a Stanley Cup in recent seasons doesn't mean we aren't one of the biggest winners in the NHL over the last five seasons. Actually, you could say we are more of a perennial winner than those other teams as their "winning" is padded by winning the Cup, while ours is long playoff runs almost every season.

Nobody determines a perennial winner by the amount of playoff round wins they have except fans of a team trying to present it as a perennial winner.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

People are really quibbling over the definition of perennial winner?

Lets put it another way. There are certainly a lot of reasons why a free agent would want to join the Rangers, with one of them being how the team has performed over the last five years.

I'm sorry I stepped on the toes of all the people who get mad about anything they slightly disagree with.

 

[Shady Machine]

You are quibbling over the definition of perennial winner?

Uh yes haha. I believe the goal is to WIN the Stanley Cup.

 

[ghdi]

Vesey left at 22*

Cmon, such a nitpick lol. He turned 23 in May 2 weeks after their season ended.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

except that team that is like 10 miles away across the river

are the Rangers really that much better than NJ starting in 2016? I would say no.

They aren't better at all

Until the Rangers find a replacement for Lundqvist, they will continue on a slow decline out of the playoff picture.

 

[Shady Machine]

With the addition of Hall New Jersey's offense should be better this year. They have very good to excellent goaltending.

IMO Larsson was your best defenseman though. That's a big loss. You're going to have to have some of your younger D take a big step forward this year and the question is will they?

Obviously but I'd say the Rangers have their own problems on defense to worry about Girardi and Staal are about done as legit top 4 options and Yandle moved on. There's a lot of meh other than McDonagh

 

[Irishguy42]

Rangers are a contender. Not a perennial winner.

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

Am I the only one who thinks Kyle Connor shoulda won the Hobey over Vesey?

I'm pretty sure there is more that goes into winning it than just performance on the ice

 

[tdfxman]

It sucks sure, but it's legit. It's really not laughable, it's kind of fine actually. Detroit can absolutely be out because of distance, but Chicago still be in it. The world isn't black and white, and other factors can override those concerns.

Chicago has other things to compensate for that distance that Detroit might not. Things like offering a chance at a Cup. Things like playing with Kane or Toews. Things like a legendary coach. So yeah they're farther, but that can override that issue. Detroit, in his eyes, might not have those things, so the primary reason for not wanting to play for them is being too far from home.

Bu tyea, black and white world. I get it though, he spurned your team. LEt's all hate the guy for making a choice.

WTF are you talking about?

hate a guy?
my team?
WTF are you talking about?

I am saying the wording and reasoning makes no sense. You certainly agreed. I don't know if you know what team I am a fan of.

You can say it's not a fit for any reason, don't have to give one. To say it is too far and then meet with a team that is farther is lunacy. Did the agent slip up, did DET misquote him. It's crazy stupid dumb on their part and an error they didn't need to make is what I am saying. This has nothing to do with hating someone I don't even know. wow.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Cmon, such a nitpick lol. He turned 23 in May 2 weeks after their season ended.

Regular season ended in February or early March. He turned 23 late May.

 

[eco's bones]

The fact that the team I root for hasnt been in the playoffs in a couple years is irrelevant to the fact that Conference Finals appearances and Finals losses mean nothing.

The most recent Ranger team was out in the first round without many changes made.

I kind of look at a couple as two--so to me you have a couple couple or a double couple.

For a team to make it into the final four is kind of a big deal. You're right though that we fell short but playoff experience and winning environments do mean something just as much as being a perennial bottom feeder means something too.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Rangers are a contender. Not a perennial winner.

Thats a bingo, exactly was my point.