Wasn't he atrocious in 13-14 and 14-15? I seem to remember fans wanting to throw him into the Hudson River. Schneider seems to have a large amount of games where he is very bad even in his best seasons.
Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part V
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Wasn't he atrocious in 13-14 and 14-15? I seem to remember fans wanting to throw him into the Hudson River. Schneider seems to have a large amount of games where he is very bad even in his best seasons.
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'grats Rangers.
Here is hoping after all this hoopla (unnecessarily, the player can do what he wants) Vesey turns into a regular NHLer.
Here is hoping after all this hoopla (unnecessarily, the player can do what he wants) Vesey turns into a regular NHLer.
Most 4 year college grads, do not have great NHL careers. Most of what have signed earlier when the money was offered. Vesey is different, he stuck it out through college. We'll see what happens to him the NHL.
Last year the Leafs traded for upcoming college UFA, Hyman, who had been drafted by Florida. Kinda unheralded, especially compared to Vesey. Spent most of the year with the Marlies but was impressive with the Leafs. Seems to locked up a spot with the Leafs this year. You just never know.
Last year the Leafs traded for upcoming college UFA, Hyman, who had been drafted by Florida. Kinda unheralded, especially compared to Vesey. Spent most of the year with the Marlies but was impressive with the Leafs. Seems to locked up a spot with the Leafs this year. You just never know.
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They won't regress. I see the Devils as very top-heavy on offense though. Not much known scoring beyond Hall-Henrique-Palmieri and Zajac. Cammalleri needs to prove he can stay healthy and if everyone is so down and out on Nash I would love to hear everyone's opinions on Cam.
And the Devils have a huge hole to fill on defense. Lovejoy played pretty great for the Penguins down the stretch but there are obviously some red flags there. Severson regressed hard this past season but still has some nice potential. But I don't see the true #1 that is needed to compete in today's NHL.
And especially in the Metro that is loaded with elite scoring.
I would currently put the Rangers as the team with the second best chance to win the Vesey Sweepstakes. My current list
1. Bruins - hometown appeal for the homebody who grew up in the area and childhood dream of being a Bruin. Best friend was just signed by the team, and several other friends are in the organization at various levels.
2. Rangers - lots of USA hockey ties, friends with Hayes. Agent is tight with Rangers front office.
3. Chicago - instant cash lotto ticket for a future 2nd contract
4. Buffalo - Have had two months to woo him and by all accounts, the meetings went well. Developing on-ice chemistry with his off ice friend Eichel.
5. Jersey - Would be sheltered a bit by not being the top billing star in a smaller media exposure compared to some of the other Eastern Teams. Plenty of money to burn and close family ties with the front office.
1. Bruins - hometown appeal for the homebody who grew up in the area and childhood dream of being a Bruin. Best friend was just signed by the team, and several other friends are in the organization at various levels.
2. Rangers - lots of USA hockey ties, friends with Hayes. Agent is tight with Rangers front office.
3. Chicago - instant cash lotto ticket for a future 2nd contract
4. Buffalo - Have had two months to woo him and by all accounts, the meetings went well. Developing on-ice chemistry with his off ice friend Eichel.
5. Jersey - Would be sheltered a bit by not being the top billing star in a smaller media exposure compared to some of the other Eastern Teams. Plenty of money to burn and close family ties with the front office.
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This is a ridiculous argument, to be honest. Rangers best years are definitely in the past -- they were dominant from 2011-2015 although they came up empty -- but the future is not
Top 5, yes. Top 3, arguable but I could understand. To say he's the top goalie is just asking for argumentative responses. In all seriousness, there is a top 4-5 that can go any way dependent on personal opinion but there's no clear cut answer.
This is really just an uninformed answer.
The one main fault with the Rangers is their lack of high-end defensive players after Skjei and McIlrath. That and if they can get rid of Staal/Girardi before it seriously handicaps them. After Lundqvist, they have two or three very promising goaltending prospects so the odds are in their favor there. Their forward core is also very young.
Rangers seem to still have the stigma you write about when it's not really even there. Their lack of depth in the prospect pool is a problem outside goaltending, but the general core of the team being so young offsets that.
Their future is brighter than Boston's, brighter than Chicago's long-term, and just about even with the Devils. Buffalo has more talent, but still has holes at defense and goaltending long-term, which are the most important.
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Which is why the Leafs have signed Stamkos, will sign Tavares, signed Richards, signed...
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McD was very good last year, not sure if you watched. Zibby, Stepan, and Hayes are a very good, young, combo of centers.
Our top forwards are Nash and Zuccarello.
Let's not act like the Rangers can't make a splash for Free Agents. There are certainly ways for this team to propel itself from the Upper-Middle of pack team it is now to the a top contender again in a relatively short amount of time.
Buffalo has too much offensive depth now and in the pipeline which is why I'd rule them out more than anything, its the same reason I ruled the Isles out too. He's never gonna be a first liner in either place.
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Getting a young star is seen by fans as a total change, but it is not. Sidney/Malkin, Ovechkin/Backstrom, Toews/Kane, Lundqvist/Jagr, you almost always need 2 superstars or to have a ton of depth.
Neither Toronto nor Buffalo has a lot of depth, nor a second superstar. They will be drafting early for a while until they get the depth they lack now. Matthew's alone does not turn the last overall team into a playoff team. At least his first couple of years, he won't be much better, if at all, than Kessel, who was unable to lead the Leafs to the playoffs.
I don't see any advantages that Toronto has over Buffalo: both have a young budding superstar (Buffalo has the better one), located right next to each other, Canada has even higher taxes, Buffalo is further along in rebuilding. If he didn't sign with Buffalo, it seems like he's just entertaining the Leafs because they are pressuring him so hard.
It's going to be the Rangers or the Devils.
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what? lol
He split time with Brodeur in 13-14 and some were not ready to christen the new guy since he was replacing the GOAT. In 14-15 he played 60+ games for the first time in his career on a bad team, where most fans recognized that it wasn't his fault. He still had a .925 save percentage and played almost 4000 minutes.
I don't recall EVER seeing one of our fans hate on Schneider. Some wanted to trade him (on HF) because of his trade value and thinking the sky was falling because we are retooling so get max value now was their line of thought.
He's never been atrocious. Our inability to score and support Cory's efforts have been atrocious.
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um, what?
no, he wasn't 'atrocious' in any season, ever. I think you must be thinking of some other goalie.
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I don't know. That's why I said, I'm not sure what goes into this. Some do consider them to be the class of the league, in this regard.
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RIP, Jimmy.
We hope. But realistically, every team is in the mix until we hear otherwise. I think one of the NYR, NJD or NYI make the most sense for him but that is just my opinion.
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Little different when Vesey has already turned down an NHL offer from Nashville, Detroit and Buffalo. Also, he was going to be the 1st pick in the USHL draft by the Chicago Steel but he went the NCAA route because he didn't wanna go that far.
Make sure you know all the facts first...
EDIT: I guess technically he hasn't turned down his offer from BUF yet, but you get the point.
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just flushing out the turds that they had in the bottom 6 last year is going to go a long way for the Devils. Of the 11 or 12 players that played regularly in the bottom 6 last year, I think I calculated out that they had 30 goals TOTAL among those players. and 8 of those were Bobby Farnham fluke goals. think about how bad that is.
I don't expect them to have some sort of world beater offense. I think that they will be around middle of the pack barring some big injuries, though.
the D is definitely up in the air. Severson is going to have to take a nice step forward this season. I do think Santini will step right in and help out.
“I’ve said it all along that Boston is definitely on my list of teams that I’d like to talk to," said the North Reading native, who scored 24 goals and 46 points as a senior at Harvard last year while winning the Hobey Baker Award as the nation's top college player. "It’s a team that I’ve rooted for all my life, and it’s a team that I watched win the Stanley Cup in 2011.
“I was a huge Joe Thornton fan growing up. He wore No. 19. I wear No. 19. He was my favorite player. I got to know Torey Krug a little bit through playing with him at the world championships last year. So it would be really cool to play with Torey and put on the Bruins jersey. It’s the team that I’ve watched for my whoe life.â€
um, what?
no, he wasn't 'atrocious' in any season, ever. I think you must be thinking of some other goalie.
Yeah, I might have been thinking of Bernier for some reason. I do think Schneider had a really rough 10 game stretch or so in 14-15 mid or early season, that stands out in my mind clearly.
Zippy316
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I would be very surprised if Shero does not add a top four LD via trade or free agency within the next year. Adding that would round out the team very nicely.
Devils are overloaded with forward talent especially on the LW where someone has to go. Adding Vesey would certainly add to that but it might make Shero much more willing to move a guy like Blandisi or Boucher pronto. If you look at every close-to-NHL-ready forward the Devils have, they are all left-handed forwards who play LW/C. Cammalleri might also be able to fetch a pretty strong LD in the right situation as well.
Given how well Shero has traded historically and his willingness to trade to address needs (Palmieri, Hall), I would imagine that would be a selling point to Vesey as well.
MayDay
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Buffalo also has Sam Reinhart and Ryan O'Reilly.
It's criminal how many people forget about Reinhart or else severely underrate him.
Like Eichel, Reinhart was also a #2 overall pick. He was the top forward selected in his draft class. Reinhart finished 8th in rookie scoring, with an almost identical stat line to Dylan Larkin (who people talked about all year as a Calder contender).
Eichel/Reinhart can easily be our Toews/Kane combo.
And then there is also Alex Nylander who can also develop into something special.
MayDay
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Why?
According to his agents at the start of the week, Buffalo is still very much in the mix.
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