Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part V

[Jaded-Fan]

Super star? No. His ceiling is likely 35 goals/ 45 points with all stars aligning and it's more likely he'll become a 25 goal with a similar if not slightly higher assist output who can hopefully play responsible in all 3 zones and use his speed to generate chances

Only 8 players had 35 goals or more last year.

Kopitar had 25 goals.

People forget that this is the dead and buried puck era.

 

[Liferleafer]

It's Boston. Always has been.

Makes me wonder why he hasn't signed there yet. He has every right to sign where he wants as of yesterday, if it has always been Boston, why the dog and pony show? It isn't like any other team can offer more on his ELC.

 

[MayDay]

Makes me wonder why he hasn't signed there yet. He has every right to sign where he wants as of yesterday, if it has always been Boston, why the dog and pony show? It isn't like any other team can offer more on his ELC.

If it was "Boston all along", he already would have signed there.

He's still weighing his options.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Super star? No. His ceiling is likely 35 goals/ 45 points with all stars aligning and it's more likely he'll become a 25 goal with a similar if not slightly higher assist output who can hopefully play responsible in all 3 zones and use his speed to generate chances

35 goals and 45 points? I'd imagine if he has a ceiling of 35 goals his point ceiling is higher than 45, even if he can't pass to save his life.

I'm thinking he'll probably be a 2nd line winger, but could end up as a 3rd liner. 1st line upside possible but not likely.

20/20, or 25/25, maybe 30/30 but I doubt it.

 

[Kolzilla]

Makes me wonder why he hasn't signed there yet. He has every right to sign where he wants as of yesterday, if it has always been Boston, why the dog and pony show? It isn't like any other team can offer more on his ELC.

I'd assume due diligence. I would never accept a blind employment offer. I'd want to tour the facility, meet management, etc.

I personally had certain places in mind, only to find the alternative choices were better fits after meeting with superiors.

 

[MayDay]

I doubt most GMs are promising Vesey time (except mayeb Buffalo, their GM acts desperate at times [ie. Stamkos 12+])

Buffalo didn't offer Stamkos anything. Nobody offered Stamkos anything. Stamkos was never a free agent.

 

[ghdi]

Makes me wonder why he hasn't signed there yet. He has every right to sign where he wants as of yesterday, if it has always been Boston, why the dog and pony show? It isn't like any other team can offer more on his ELC.

Yep. Its clear he's not set on Boston because if that was the case he'd be signed already. Boston may be the choice but he's got the opportunity to go anywhere he wants to. It may be a simple case of wanting to see if someone can "beat" Boston in terms of what they provide him as a player.

 

[X66]

Why are people still surprised that he is coveted?

He might not be a future star(who knows) but he's a big young forward, with skill, speed and defensive ability. Of course teams would want that.

He is like a first round pick that's already seasoned, waiting to make the jump over.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Buffalo didn't offer Stamkos anything. Nobody offered Stamkos anything. Stamkos was never a free agent.

It was rumored he would have offered 12+

Just as he is probably offering Vesey a roster spot

Which leads back to my point; Murray seems desperate

 

[MayDay]

It was rumored he would have offered 12+

Just as he is probably offering Vesey a roster spot

Which leads back to my point; Murray seems desperate

"Rumored"

"Probably offering"

"Seems"

You have an awful lot of opinions about Tim Murray that are based on nothing. Just a lot of idle speculation.

Murray never even explicitly confirmed that he was even interested in Stamkos.

 

[compan]

Why are people still surprised that he is coveted?

He might not be a future star(who knows) but he's a big young forward, with skill, speed and defensive ability. Of course teams would want that.

He is like a first round pick that's already seasoned, waiting to make the jump over.

This. If he is a Chris Kreider copy or comparable player, that is exactly that player for 925k + bonuses. What GM wouldn't want that.

 

[Dubi Doo]

It was rumored he would have offered 12+

Just as he is probably offering Vesey a roster spot

Which leads back to my point; Murray seems desperate

Murray made his pitch, then told Vesey to do what's in his best interest, and he'd completely understand if Vesey still wanted to test FA. That's anything but desperate.

 

[Devilswede]

When you're entering the league and looking to make a name for yourself I don't think that following your heart is the way to go. It's something he can pursue later on in his career. At this point in time he should look for the best opportunity all things considered.

He has to follow his head, not heart. Not many times has it worked out for local kids when they've signed with their hometown teams. There's a reason why it rarely happens.

I get that he wants to CLOSER to home (who wouldn't?), but for playing for the hometown team right away might mean he's shooting himself in the foot. We'll see.

 

[Twist and Shout]

Murray made his pitch and then told Vesey to do what's in his best interest, and he'd completely understand if Vesey still wanted to test FA. That's anything but desperate.

Probably no reason at all to move a 3rd round pick for him then...

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Probably no reason at all to move a 3rd round pick for him then...

It works sometime.

I know that this is Hockey FUTURES so naturally picks are one of the main focuses, but a third round pick has only a 30% chance of being even a sucky player for a year.

http://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144

If you think that you can make your pitch to a guy and convince him to sign given a month of so of exclusive rights before he shops around, it is not a bad roll of the dice. It has paid off for a number of teams in the past.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Probably no reason at all to move a 3rd round pick for him then...

Disagree. Murray avoided that circus that's been on display the past couple of days, and Vesey got to see some of Buffalo during the draft. That doesn't happen if Murray doesnt make that trade.

Murray handling negotiations like a G is just icing on the cake.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Murray made his pitch, then told Vesey to do what's in his best interest, and he'd completely understand if Vesey still wanted to test FA. That's anything but desperate.

Offering a player a roster spot for nothing is desperate and thats what was being debated.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I don't like Buffalo - Don't hate em, but friendly rivalry. And I don't think moving that 3rd is a big deal; it was a effort to have first dibs. Made a move to get ahead of the line...the first word. Bold move, that really wasn't going to hurt them that much anyway. applaud them for the effort, if he ends up signing in Buffalo - maybe that 3rd and extra time actually got things progressed further.

 

[DJN21]

It was rumored he would have offered 12+

Just as he is probably offering Vesey a roster spot

Which leads back to my point; Murray seems desperate

Eklund is that you?

 

[Eggtimer]

I can see giving up a 3rd round pick for Vesey's rights to get a head start on trying to sign him (given Buffalo had more than one 3rd rand pick) but....... NOT when Vesey's agent came out and said prior to that , that he was going to test the UFA market and won't sign until then....
To me that's just flushing a draft pick down the toilet

 

[Dubi Doo]

Offering a player a roster spot for nothing is desperate and thats what was being debated.

Disagree, but there ain't no changing your mind, so have a good day, my g.

 

[Sabreality]

Offering a player a roster spot for nothing is desperate and thats what was being debated.

wtf? Every team that's making a pitch for him is offering a roster spot. Are the Blackhawks being desperate too?

Hopefully only about 48 more hours of this.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

So if/when Vesey doesnt sign with Toronto, whats the over/under on days that his dad is fired from the Leafs.

 

[Jeremy2020]

I can see giving up a 3rd round pick for Vesey's rights to get a head start on trying to sign him (given Buffalo had more than one 3rd rand pick) but....... NOT when Vesey's agent came out and said prior to that , that he was going to test the UFA market and won't sign until then....
To me that's just flushing a draft pick down the toilet

compared to all the teams not flushing 3rd picks down the toilet by drafting players who never see the NHL? Since the odds are so low of getting a contributing player in the 3rd round, it seems like it would be best to actually hold onto the 3rd round picks and never use them in any way. That way they always hold the hypothetical value of a 3rd round pick.

 

[BMOK33]

35 goals and 45 points? I'd imagine if he has a ceiling of 35 goals his point ceiling is higher than 45, even if he can't pass to save his life.

I'm thinking he'll probably be a 2nd line winger, but could end up as a 3rd liner. 1st line upside possible but not likely.

20/20, or 25/25, maybe 30/30 but I doubt it.

Didn't Nash do something crazy one year like 52 goals and 10 assists?