Speculation: All Bruins trade proposals/rumors VIII: Over the Holiday Freeze

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RedeyeRocketeer

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Vermette would be an awesome start. He would thrive in "the system" and probably won't cost an arm and a leg.

He's a textbook Claude guy. If Arizona has no plans on having him back, he's gonna be bid on by a dozen teams.

But can Vermette play right wing? Because if not....there's no point. I know on his last 2 teams he's always played C, a position we're certainly not trading for.
 

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Vermette another Bergeron and Kelly. Sounds a lot like eriksson. They can't find a spot for him never mind two of him. What does this guy do for us and how much does he cost?
Pass on him.
 

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Pretty sure Vermette and Bergeron work out together in the offseason, or at least they have in the past. They are pretty good buddies, with Bergeron even nominating Vermette for the ice bucket challenge this summer.

Not sure if that's been mentioned or not.
 

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Pretty sure Vermette and Bergeron work out together in the offseason, or at least they have in the past. They are pretty good buddies, with Bergeron even nominating Vermette for the ice bucket challenge this summer.

Not sure if that's been mentioned or not.

Seems like duplication to me. Not s first liner to me.
 

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I am a big Vermeete fan. I was hoping the Bs would get him in last off season somehow to replace Iggy. If we can keep Bergeron, Krecji and Hamilton and somehow land Vermeete (and sign him long term) and Hall (most likely in the offseason) I would be ecstatic!!!! Also toss a bigger more experienced Pasta in the mix and that's a very good start for 2015-16.

Obviously that means losing one or more of Lucic, Erikkson, Sody, Marchand, Krug
 
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the market will set itself- if Boston could get him he could play third line LW and free up Kelly to play 4th line. Kelly has a bad contract but he is a better player than Campbell and I like the Kelly-Paille duo on the fourth line.

a Vermette-Soderberg-Eriksson line could be outstanding and I'd love to see a better third line in hockey

I've heard stuff like Spooner, Trotman, and Campbell for him and I would do that in a second but not sure that really gets it done
well I will agree that 3rd line would probably be one of, if not the best in the nhl. if we could get vermette for picks and prospects IN ADDITION to adding a top line RW option, I would be much more optimistic than I currently am. Vermette would fit the system nicely as well as add another penalty killer.
 

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Vermette in, Kelly out. Hey I'd be a-okay with that.

One less year on the contract, upgrade on talent.
 

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Highly, highly, doubt that would be true. First off, Marchand (10 goals and Eriksson (9) have more goals right now than Vermette, who is playing a non-systems Arizona team. Second, in 10 NHL seasons, the guy has hit 20+ goals only FOUR times. One of those seasons was on the run-and-gun Ottawa Senators of 2007-2008, and the other times it was non-system teams like Columbus (2009/10), and Arizona last year.

Marchand has already scored 20+ goals three times, and has done so in only four NHL seasons.

And in the last 4 seasons, Vermette has tallied 20+ goals only once, including a barn burner of a campaign in 2011/12, when he scored 11 in 82 games (Columbus + Arizona combined).

Another player who's achieved that feat -- 20+ goals only once in four years? Chris Kelly.

And let's not forget to add the Bruins' "discount"; our defensive system will deflate his numbers. By by estimation, we can expect a robust 10-15 goals from Vermette, which Marchand has already achieved at the halfway point and Eriksson, one goal away from achieving, playing most of his time on the third line.

I don't know why we would move important assets to obtain another Chris Kelly, even a 2011 Chris Kelly, and then also overpay him (we will) who will solve none of our problems, and meet none of our needs.

PS: no one has mentioned that Vermette is minus 10 this year (good for 4th worst on the entire Coyotes team). Even Tyler "Voldemort" Seguin, who many assume to be the king of two-way neglect, is a team best plus 5 on the lowly Dallas Stars.

When you call teams coached by Dave Tippet and Ken Hitchcock "non-system", you lose some serious credibility.
 

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fantasy hockey time...

Kelly, Bartkowski, 2nd for Jack Johnson (didnt someone say Kelly would waive to C-bus?)

Khokhlachev, 3rd for Vermette

Subban, 1st, 2nd, Spooner for Eberle (overpayment?)

Lucic Krejci Eberle
Marchand Bergeron Smith
Vermette Soderberg Eriksson
Paille Campbell Cunningham

Chara Hamilton
Seidenberg Johnson
Krug Mcquaid

still a bit too soft, but I would love to see some talent on RW on the top line.
 

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well I will agree that 3rd line would probably be one of, if not the best in the nhl. if we could get vermette for picks and prospects IN ADDITION to adding a top line RW option, I would be much more optimistic than I currently am. Vermette would fit the system nicely as well as add another penalty killer.

So I'm of the belief that Eriksson isn't on the 1st line because leaving Soda alone with Kelly and Griffith/Cunningham is basically like cutting Soda's balls off. Having Kelly and Cunningham/Griffith ride as offensive passengers on different lines is the lesser of two evils.

If Soda has Vermette on his left instead of Kelly...and maybe Pasta on his right, I think you see the 1st line RW problem solved via #21.

At least this is what I would do.

Lucic/Krejci/Eriksson
Marchand/Bergeron/Smith
Vermette/Soda/Pastrnak
Paille/Kelly/Cunningham

Your 1st, 3rd and 4th lines are all better than they were before the trade. Thats pretty damn good.
 

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When you call teams coached by Dave Tippet and Ken Hitchcock "non-system", you lose some serious credibility.

Hrm. You're right. That is my mistake. Vermette only had one 20+ goal year at Columbus, in 2009/2010, but you're right-- Hitchcock was still around for most of that season (he wasn't fired until Feb 2010). I was thinking he was gone in Feb 2009, but no.

After that year, Vermette still failed to score 20+ goals again with Columbus, including under Claude Noel who is particularly notable for a *lack* of any system.

But you're also right about Tippett, and I am wrong. He also plays a system in Arizona, but arguably less successfully. And arguably not with the same offensive discount as the Bruins. But I'm sure some will disagree with that.

That all said, I think the remainder of my post on Vermette still stands. He's not achieved 20+ goals in the last four seasons more than once under any coach. And doing so, seems to be the exception, rather than the rule, for his offensive production.
 

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Seems like duplication to me. Not s first liner to me.

What assets are you willing to give up for a 1st liner? There just aren't any on the market and the price is going to be crazy high (ie, involving Pastrnak+).
 

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What assets are you willing to give up for a 1st liner? There just aren't any on the market and the price is going to be crazy high (ie, involving Pastrnak+).

I agree but what would this guy cost? I'm just torn not knowing which direction this team is going. Are the going to go for it and give up assets for rentals or are they going to retool. They are out right now. I just don't think they have the horses to go far and waiting assets is not something I would want them to do. Take the offseason and retool. Then again what do I know.
 

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Just hope Chia adds help.Myself I wants Stewart from Sabres.He has something to prove and i liked way he talked about Bruins.Need to add tough vet D man too
 

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whats with people thinking pastrnak is ready for a scoring role or any role on the bruins? he looked awful today against sweden.
 

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whats with people thinking pastrnak is ready for a scoring role or any role on the bruins? he looked awful today against sweden.

If Craig Cunningham and Seth Griffith can get a shot on the 1st line, I don't see why you don't give Pastrnak a shot there as well. Heck, Matt Fraser is still on this team, what role does he have other than taking up a roster spot?
 

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If Craig Cunningham and Seth Griffith can get a shot on the 1st line, I don't see why you don't give Pastrnak a shot there as well. Heck, Matt Fraser is still on this team, what role does he have other than taking up a roster spot?

I love Pasta but I just think it's far too soon to shoulder him with the responsibility to fix the sad Bruins offense.

He's too young and still has to build up his physical strength. He got beat around a bullied in a few of his final games, particularly against LA.

The *responsible* thing for the Bruins FO is make the necessary but smaller moves to shore up offense for this season (e.g., Stewart as a buy low with some scoring upside and "heaviness"), make bigger moves off season to significantly improve it (e.g., acquire elite scoring like Hall by trading significant assets: some combo of Rask/Eriksson/Lucic/Krug/or Subban), and introduce Pasta next season on the third line RW, to build his confidence and role.

It is surely an indictment of the FO to be so desperate as to expect an 18 year old kid, fresh off the draft podium, to replace Iginla on the top line. Not quite as silly as playing a 4th line energy guy in Cunningham there, but probably more reckless in terms of Pasta's development.
 

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If Craig Cunningham and Seth Griffith can get a shot on the 1st line, I don't see why you don't give Pastrnak a shot there as well. Heck, Matt Fraser is still on this team, what role does he have other than taking up a roster spot?

Agreed, he looked great playing with the B's and had several shots on net no goals in those few games. While I'd like to see the B's get help I don't want it at the expense of ANY draft picks for 2015...BTW Pasta is going to be great sooner rather than later, I'd love to see him gain some weight so that he doesn't get splattered but he absorbed hits and kept on going.He just can't continually take beatings like he had in those games.
 

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If Craig Cunningham and Seth Griffith can get a shot on the 1st line, I don't see why you don't give Pastrnak a shot there as well. Heck, Matt Fraser is still on this team, what role does he have other than taking up a roster spot?

None of them should sniff anything more than a spot on the bench. Unless this team has thrown in the towel, giving Pastrnak a look is useless. Same with fraser, Griffith and cunningham. Cunningham could be a good 4th line option.
 
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