Speculation: All Bruins trade proposals/rumors VIII: Over the Holiday Freeze

[member 96824]

As my daughter reminded me Krejci and Ryder had great chemistry when Krejci stepped into the spotlight in 2009. Forgot about that. Ryder also did well when with Kelly on the third line if Clode wants to flip Loui up.

The SF Giants have won 3 World Series in the past 5 years picking up Cody Ross, Marco Scutaro, and this year Jake Peavy. All three had a huge say in their journey.

Ryder makes sense from cost, style, familiarity, and experience. You keep Eriksson and have flexibility and can let Ryder go after this season.

Your daughter is right, but man did they struggle in 2010. IIRC Claude wouldnt split up that line either even though everyone and their brother could see the chemistry between Wheeler-Krejci-Ryder wasnt there anymore.

Until something very very sad happened

 

[wintersej]

I did say aside from the "obvious candidates"... Arizona, New Jersey, Edmonton, Carolina... But what do any of them have that the Bruins could potentially get (if we'd want??)? And yes, there's Dallas... haha... let's have the Stars fleece the Bruins again.

And each of those teams have a whole batch of other potential trading partners who will want to try to strengthen their roster.

Tlusty, Sekera, and Vermette are UFAs that I could be OK with on the 3rd line or 2nd pairing.

Really wish Sekera was a RHD.

Vermette will probably cost a lot, but I don't think people here in general realize how good of a player he is. Somewhere between Bergeron and 2011 Chris Kelly(edit: but obviously closer to 2011 Chris Kelly...but still a fair bit better). He will probably net more than Soderberg in free agency. He is someone you could use to keep the 3rd line as an asset while moving Loui to the 1st.

Tlusty doesn't excite me, but as a right shot RW for the 3rd line he isn't a horrible backup backup backup option.

Perron is another guy I don't love, per say, but would fit into the Bruins salary structure and is a good player. Stafford and Stewart of course in Buffalo are options, as is the great Michael Ryder.

There isn't that one guy like Kaberle that is the obvious add, but Eriksson's ability to play on the left or right and on the 1st or 3rd lines (hypothetically) leaves some flexibility (as PC has alluded to) in the kind of forward they grab.

 

[Danton Heineken]

Vermette will probably cost a lot, but I don't think people here in general realize how good of a player he is. Somewhere between Bergeron and 2011 Chris Kelly.

He's A LOT closer to Chris Kelly.

 

[BNHL]

He's A LOT closer to Chris Kelly.

I have no idea what generates the fascination with this player.

 

[wintersej]

He's A LOT closer to Chris Kelly.

heh. I tried to edit that before someone read it. see edit above.

But still, he is a 20-25 goal guy. You wouldn't take a better version of 2011 Chris Kelly on this team? Especially if it kicked the current Chris Kelly down a line? Depending on the cost, of course.

Lucic Krejci Eriksson
Marchand Bergeron Smith
Vermette Soderberg Pastrnak/Griffith
Paille Kelly Cunningham/Campbell

That seems like a way better team to me.

 

[BNHL]

heh. I tried to edit that before someone read it. see edit above.

But still, he is a 20-25 goal guy. You wouldn't take a better version of 2011 Chris Kelly on this team? Especially if it kicked the current Chris Kelly down a line? Depending on the cost, of course.

Lucic Krejci Eriksson
Marchand Bergeron Smith
Vermette Soderberg Pastrnak/Griffith
Paille Kelly Cunningham/Campbell

That seems like a way better team to me.

He's a 20-25 goal guy that gets 19+ mins a game and 3 mins PPTOI. What about here?

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

He's A LOT closer to Chris Kelly.

He'd be leading our team in goals or close to it.
He plays 19 mins a game for them on line 1 many nights
He plays the PP and the PK
He blocks shots and has a 55% FO percentage
And his career high in goals is 27


Trust me, he's closer to Bergeron than Kelly, and I like me some Kelly. But he's obviously no Bergeron.

 

[KnightofBoston]

If Ryder were to be considered by Chiarelli then I would think that this year is indeed a bridge year and the season is a wash.

If all he did was go for draft picks then it would be a bridge year. Attempting to acquire short term players says they want to win playoff games

 

[DKH]

I really like the idea of giving up all the guys we don't like for very good players

 

[Gargyn]

I really like the idea of giving up all the guys we don't like for very good players

you mean these offers of kelly, subban and a 1st for hall are not realistic? lol

 

[MoreOrr]

I really like the idea of giving up all the guys we don't like for very good players

Yes, some of these trade ideas are really funny.

 

[DKH]

Yes, some of these trade ideas are really funny.

Some are very good some crazy but the Forsberg-Erat deal is what we may see GM's want to replicate.

That is extreme and the Capitals GM was trying to save his job but it won't hurt to ask.

Trade deadline day for us could be intense

 

[HumBucker]

I don't think anyone can claim to know specific "facts" about CJ's psychology, but we can look at his choices and infer certain opinions/beliefs.

I thought Colt's anecdote about CJ on Spooner illustrates a kind of a "grudge". He thinks Spooner is a liability for the team and no amount of excellent, exciting play for the young forward, or any other empirical evidence, will move him from that opinion. That's a grudge.

Or you can look at his choices and infer not that he has some kind of personal grudge against a young player, but that in his professional judgement as an NHL hockey coach, the kid isn't playing the way he needs to or doing what the coaching staff is asking him to do.

This idea that CJ "ripped into" Spooner is equally false. He criticized his defensive play while also clearly praising his offensive play.

There's no "grudge." If the coaches felt Ryan Spooner was able to play the way they want him to, he'd be playing in Boston.

 

[DKH]

Tlusty, Sekera, and Vermette are UFAs that I could be OK with on the 3rd line or 2nd pairing.

Really wish Sekera was a RHD.

Vermette will probably cost a lot, but I don't think people here in general realize how good of a player he is. Somewhere between Bergeron and 2011 Chris Kelly(edit: but obviously closer to 2011 Chris Kelly...but still a fair bit better). He will probably net more than Soderberg in free agency. He is someone you could use to keep the 3rd line as an asset while moving Loui to the 1st.

Tlusty doesn't excite me, but as a right shot RW for the 3rd line he isn't a horrible backup backup backup option.

Perron is another guy I don't love, per say, but would fit into the Bruins salary structure and is a good player. Stafford and Stewart of course in Buffalo are options, as is the great Michael Ryder.

There isn't that one guy like Kaberle that is the obvious add, but Eriksson's ability to play on the left or right and on the 1st or 3rd lines (hypothetically) leaves some flexibility (as PC has alluded to) in the kind of forward they grab.

I see Vermette more like Bergeron than Kelly to be honest. He does a lot of things well. A team like Montreal or Pittsburgh would be wise to go get him.

 

[Gargyn]

I see Vermette more like Bergeron than Kelly to be honest. He does a lot of things well. A team like Montreal or Pittsburgh would be wise to go get him.

agreed, he is actually quite good and quite underrated.

 

[DKH]

He'd be leading our team in goals or close to it.
He plays 19 mins a game for them on line 1 many nights
He plays the PP and the PK
He blocks shots and has a 55% FO percentage
And his career high in goals is 27


Trust me, he's closer to Bergeron than Kelly, and I like me some Kelly. But he's obviously no Bergeron.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...rizona-coyotes-antoine-vermette-nhl/19559655/

 

[DKH]

agreed, he is actually quite good and quite underrated.

the market will set itself- if Boston could get him he could play third line LW and free up Kelly to play 4th line. Kelly has a bad contract but he is a better player than Campbell and I like the Kelly-Paille duo on the fourth line.

a Vermette-Soderberg-Eriksson line could be outstanding and I'd love to see a better third line in hockey

I've heard stuff like Spooner, Trotman, and Campbell for him and I would do that in a second but not sure that really gets it done

 

[Ice Nine]

He'd be leading our team in goals or close to it.
He plays 19 mins a game for them on line 1 many nights
He plays the PP and the PK
He blocks shots and has a 55% FO percentage
And his career high in goals is 27


Trust me, he's closer to Bergeron than Kelly, and I like me some Kelly. But he's obviously no Bergeron.

Highly, highly, doubt that would be true. First off, Marchand (10 goals and Eriksson (9) have more goals right now than Vermette, who is playing a non-systems Arizona team. Second, in 10 NHL seasons, the guy has hit 20+ goals only FOUR times. One of those seasons was on the run-and-gun Ottawa Senators of 2007-2008, and the other times it was non-system teams like Columbus (2009/10), and Arizona last year.

Marchand has already scored 20+ goals three times, and has done so in only four NHL seasons.

And in the last 4 seasons, Vermette has tallied 20+ goals only once, including a barn burner of a campaign in 2011/12, when he scored 11 in 82 games (Columbus + Arizona combined).

Another player who's achieved that feat -- 20+ goals only once in four years? Chris Kelly.

And let's not forget to add the Bruins' "discount"; our defensive system will deflate his numbers. By by estimation, we can expect a robust 10-15 goals from Vermette, which Marchand has already achieved at the halfway point and Eriksson, one goal away from achieving, playing most of his time on the third line.

I don't know why we would move important assets to obtain another Chris Kelly, even a 2011 Chris Kelly, and then also overpay him (we will) who will solve none of our problems, and meet none of our needs.

PS: no one has mentioned that Vermette is minus 10 this year (good for 4th worst on the entire Coyotes team). Even Tyler "Voldemort" Seguin, who many assume to be the king of two-way neglect, is a team best plus 5 on the lowly Dallas Stars.

 

[Bruwinz37]

A Vermette rental isn't really what a team looking from the outside needs. He is a put you over the top guy. I am not sure how much difference he would make and I do like him as a player.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Highly, highly, doubt that would be true. First off, Marchand (10 goals and Eriksson (9) have more goals right now than Vermette, who is playing a non-systems Arizona team. Second, in 10 NHL seasons, the guy has hit 20+ goals only FOUR times. One of those seasons was on the run-and-gun Ottawa Senators of 2007-2008, and the other times it was non-system teams like Columbus (2009/10), and Arizona last year.

Marchand has already scored 20+ goals three times, and has done so in only four NHL seasons.

And in the last 4 seasons, Vermette has tallied 20+ goals only once, including a barn burner of a campaign in 2011/12, when he scored 11 in 82 games (Columbus + Arizona combined).

Another player who's achieved that feat -- 20+ goals only once in four years? Chris Kelly.

And let's not forget to add the Bruins' "discount"; our defensive system will deflate his numbers. By by estimation, we can expect a robust 10-15 goals from Vermette, which Marchand has already achieved at the halfway point and Eriksson, one goal away from achieving, playing most of his time on the third line.

I don't know why we would move important assets to obtain another Chris Kelly, even a 2011 Chris Kelly, and then also overpay him (we will) who will solve none of our problems, and meet none of our needs.

PS: no one has mentioned that Vermette is minus 10 this year (good for 4th worst on the entire Coyotes team). Even Tyler "Voldemort" Seguin, who many assume to be the king of two-way neglect, is a team best plus 5 on the lowly Dallas Stars.

Well while true, he has hit 19 twice, & in lockout shortened season scored 13G in 48 games (22 goal pace).

Nobody is calling him a savior or franchise cornerstone, but this is definitely the type of deadline pickup that injects energy into a team.

Could be a hefty price of course & not sure I'd be willing to pay the rumored price. But IF the Habs land him, that'd just suck for the Bruins. He's exactly the kind of player that would kill them in a playoff series.

 

[neelynugs]

A Vermette rental isn't really what a team looking from the outside needs. He is a put you over the top guy. I am not sure how much difference he would make and I do like him as a player.

i think the issue is pete probably thinks we're a team that needs 1/2 pieces to put us over the top.

 

[Ice Nine]

Could be a hefty price of course & not sure I'd be willing to pay the rumored price. But IF the Habs land him, that'd just suck for the Bruins. He's exactly the kind of player that would kill them in a playoff series.

Well, hard to disagree with that. I only wish bad tidings and bad transactions upon the Habs.

 

[wintersej]

He's a 20-25 goal guy that gets 19+ mins a game and 3 mins PPTOI. What about here?

Less TOI...but WAY better matchups against bottom pairing D...and it's not like he is coming from a go-go system either. I don't think penciling in 20 goal pace scoring would be out of the question at all.

 

[Iceage]

Yes, some of these trade ideas are really funny.

And the funniest thing is if Ericksson would still be in Dallas, he would be mentioned as a possible 1st line RW. lol

 

[BudMovin*]

Vermette would be an awesome start. He would thrive in "the system" and probably won't cost an arm and a leg.