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CLW said:
Last I heard Laffy himself didn't like the right side.

I'm not saying they should move him, but I can 100% see that his camp want him elsewhere. If nothing changes ie if Gallant and of Panarin/Kreider arent moved then Laffy is eventually gone imo. Management can start to play rfa games of course, but that doesn't fix anything.
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Laffy is 'uncomortable' on the right side. It's not going to happen over night. It make take half a season or a full season.. but it's a necessary move.

No one likes doing things that are hard or uncomfortable... but it is a necessity. That's the theme of the team though. We're a Country Club that can't do anything uncomfortable. Safe space.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Laffy is 'uncomortable' on the right side. It's not going to happen over night. It make take half a season or a full season.. but it's a necessary move.

No one likes doing things that are hard or uncomfortable... but it is a necessity. That's the theme of the team though. We're a Country Club that can't do anything uncomfortable. Safe space.
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And if that fails they have wasted another year of the kid's career with a disastrous result. Easier to move on and start anew elsewhere.

e: and potentially much more profitable in $$$ terms than the inevitable low ball from the Rangers.
 
CLW said:
Maybe.
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think of the ramifications if they trade him and tears it up on the other team? Management is not trading their only 1OA unless there's an absurd return in a bigger deal.

What would we even trade him for? A mid-late 1st? Then you have to replace a 40pts winger who's looking like he'd make 2ish M with what?

A star that is going to get paid? cant afford it.

He's a 21 year 40pts winger. What type of prospect swap would it be? Only one that would make sense is another prospect that has already found success... why would a team trade that?

The one caveat... a trade that would make sense, for us at least, is if Canadiens trade their top5 pick in this draft for him, because Quebec.
We get Carlsson, Michkov or Smith.
 
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duhmetreE said:
think of the ramifications if they trade him and tears it up on the other team? Management is not trading their only 1OA unless there's an absurd return in a bigger deal.

What would we even trade him for? A mid-late 1st? Then you have to replace a 40pts winger who's looking like he'd make 2ish M with what?

A star that is going to get paid? cant afford it.

He's a 21 year 40pts winger. What type of prospect swap would it be? Only one that would make sense is another prospect that has already found success... why would a team trade that?

The one caveat... a trade that would make sense, for us at least, is if Canadiens trade their top5 pick in this draft for him, because Quebec.
We get Carlsson, Michkov or Smith.
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I don't think the Laffy camp gives a shit about the ramifications. They can't be happy right now and pushing him to RW isn't going to make them happier. As I said, the Rangers can start to play rfa games if they want to but that is just another path to the beginning of the end.

If the Rangers fail to move Panarin the shoe is going to drop somewhere else in the roster. Drury needs an A+ summer to fix this mess.
 
CLW said:
I don't think the Laffy camp gives a shit about the ramifications. They can't be happy right now and pushing him to RW isn't going to make them happier. As I said, the Rangers can start to play rfa games if they want to but that is just another path to the beginning of the end.

If the Rangers fail to move Panarin the shoe is going to drop somewhere else in the roster. Drury needs an A+ summer to fix this mess.
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I do think there's a better chance for Laffy to demand a trade than Rangers actually moving him on their own volition.

IMO both are extremely low chance of happening.
 
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LoveGoons said:
What I saying that he was the best of his draft class from a skill stand point..but his checking and checks are laughable.. he doesn’t take player out of the play..
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I’ve seen differently. He annihilated Okposo in that last Buffalo game. Trouba level hit. And was easily one of our “heavier” players against the Devs. Hard enough that some of them tried “getting him back.” On subsequent plays. And again hit more often than any forward but Trocheck. For TOI probably hit more.

duhmetreE said:
IMO he's not getting moved. He will sink or swim as a New York Ranger.
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Most likely.
 
How about trading Alexis Lafrenière to Wpg. for Pierre Luc Dubious signed and traded to the rangers. Playoff gem!. Jets are rebuilding. .
 
Why the hell isn't he being sent on the first plane to the world championships? He is an RFA, I don't see how it matters if he gets injured. He needs reps against pros in the worst way possible. Rangers already f***ing up by not forcing him to go.
 
The Gloaming said:
Why the hell isn't he being sent on the first plane to the world championships? He is an RFA, I don't see how it matters if he gets injured. He needs reps against pros in the worst way possible. Rangers already f***ing up by not forcing him to go.
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Team Canada wanted a scorer so they selected Blais instead...
 
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UnSandvich said:
How about no.
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Um… if the cap worked, 100% yes. Unfortunately, unless they’re taking Panarin back, PLD’s new deal has zero chance of fitting, but it’s all but certain Laf will not exceed PLD’s current level, and PLD himself is still pretty young.
 
LokiDog said:
Um… if the cap worked, 100% yes. Unfortunately, unless they’re taking Panarin back, PLD’s new deal has zero chance of fitting, but it’s all but certain Laf will not exceed PLD’s current level, and PLD himself is still pretty young.
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Yes yes, we all know you think Laf is a bust, we've all had to read your ranting about it. But I'm rather skeptical that Pierre Luc Dubious can come in and magically replace Laf's production. I think that's a rather Dubious assertion, considering he's never played a game in the league, if he even exists at all.

(Also cap doesn't work at all, and i am in no way interested in adding any sort of plus to Laf when C is arguably our deepest position)
 
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UnSandvich said:
Yes yes, we all know you think Laf is a bust, we've all had to read your ranting about it. But I'm rather skeptical that Pierre Luc Dubious can come in and magically replace Laf's production. I think that's a rather Dubious assertion, considering he's never played a game in the league, if he even exists at all.

(Also cap doesn't work at all, and i am in no way interested in adding any sort of plus to Laf when C is arguably our deepest position)
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this is madness!!!!! laff's best season doesn't even approach near dubois' worst 2 seasons in the league. and those 2 seasons were with torts at the helm.

how about a trouba and laff for dubois swap?

edit: shit!!! he wants to play in montreal. maybe someone in the rangers organization can show the restaurant menus that laffy orders from to make him change his mind.
 
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Yes yes, we all know you think Laf is a bust, we've all had to read your ranting about it. But I'm rather skeptical that Pierre Luc Dubious can come in and magically replace Laf's production. I think that's a rather Dubious assertion, considering he's never played a game in the league, if he even exists at all.

(Also cap doesn't work at all, and i am in no way interested in adding any sort of plus to Laf when C is arguably our deepest position)
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The fact that the other poster misspelled his last name has nothing to do with the fact that Dubois is a 6’4 215lb 24 year old who has scored 60+ points 3 times in the NHL already, including 63 in 73 this past season. It’s not like he hasn’t played wing - the versatility to play center as well is a plus. If the cap worked and there was no plus (I certainly didn’t mention one) you really wouldn’t trade Laf for an established 60+ points forward under 25? PLD was on pace for 70 points last season. Instead of a snarky response about how someone else spelled his name, care to explain why you think Laf for PLD - in principle - is a bad deal for NYR. Not the cap logistics or whether there would be a plus. Just why you think that was such bad value.
 
LokiDog said:
The fact that the other poster misspelled his last name has nothing to do with the fact that Dubois is a 6’4 215lb 24 year old who has scored 60+ points 3 times in the NHL already, including 63 in 73 this past season. It’s not like he hasn’t played wing - the versatility to play center as well is a plus. If the cap worked and there was no plus (I certainly didn’t mention one) you really wouldn’t trade Laf for an established 60+ points forward under 25? PLD was on pace for 70 points last season. Instead of a snarky response about how someone else spelled his name, care to explain why you think Laf for PLD - in principle - is a bad deal for NYR. Not the cap logistics or whether there would be a plus. Just why you think that was such bad value.
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If there was equal cap, Dubois signing a long-term contract, and the trade being a 1-for-1 with no pluses, then no shit i would do it. But equal cap isn't happening, and a 1-for-1 isn't happening (esp. with equal cap). Also, there's been consistent rumblings that Dubois will refuse to sign long-term anywhere but Montreal, so that parts probably not happening either.

So we're instead looking at Laf+ for a rental Dubois, which means taking on additional cap when we're not in a position to do so. Which, in summary, is dumb.
 
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If there was equal cap, Dubois signing a long-term contract, and the trade being a 1-for-1 with no pluses, then no shit i would do it. But equal cap isn't happening, and a 1-for-1 isn't happening (esp. with equal cap). Also, there's been consistent rumblings that Dubois will refuse to sign long-term anywhere but Montreal, so that parts probably not happening either.

So we're instead looking at Laf+ for a rental Dubois, which means taking on additional cap when we're not in a position to do so. Which, in summary, is dumb.
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Right, but what part of my original post that said - if the cap worked, which unless they’re taking Panarin back there’s zero chance of - really contradicted any of that or warranted the attitude?

My last 2-3 posts in this thread pretty neatly sum up how I feel about Laf while making it pretty clear as well that it isn’t Laf that I have a problem with - it’s the fact that our team was built for win now hockey, predicated on the idea that two kids taken 1/2OA would be contributing at significantly better than a 40 point pace going into their 4th and 5th seasons. I hope Laf has a nice career - I definitely no longer see a 90 point ceiling for him, but I don’t disagree that he can continue developing and be a 60+ point player… one day. My problem is that we needed 50-60 points yesterday (from both of them) for THIS version of NYR to be successful. Waiting for Laf to grow into a 65 point player, should he get there, just means hoping that 32 year old Zib, 33 year old Kreider, 33 year old Panarin, etc. will be just as good as they are now, and that Laf and Kakko simply reaching a 60ish point level will be enough to get us over the hump.

Sure, the PLD wanting to play in MTL rumor is out there, so that part’s valid. Obviously you’d want to know he’d sign. But I wasn’t the one who made the proposal and the Jets fan who did make it didn’t ask for any adds, so I was commenting purely on value. Also, PLD is an RFA (I think)so he can’t jump ship without signing an offer sheet or his rights being traded for, and we know plenty of players choose to sign in NY when they won’t sign elsewhere. My point was simply - in the vacuum the other poster presented, it would be insane to think Laf is more valuable than PLD. That’s really all.
 
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I can’t imagine it would happen but even so Dubois makes no sense for this team now

Would be different if they didn’t have the top 3 centers locked up for big money the next 5 years
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
I can’t imagine it would happen but even so Dubois makes no sense for this team now

Would be different if they didn’t have the top 3 centers locked up for big money the next 5 years
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really? if anything it makes total sense. you could slot him on any line 1-3. big guy that will follow through completely on checks. has a speed motor along with size. he can singlehandedly carry a team at times. is always a threat on ice that has to be respected. he can center and play the wing. he's young-upside especially playing with us can be a 80-90 pt scorer.

should be an interesting summer. any ideas who montreal would give up?
 
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really? if anything it makes total sense. you could slot him on any line 1-3. big guy that will follow through completely on checks. has a speed motor along with size. he can singlehandedly carry a team at times. is always a threat on ice that has to be respected. he can center and play the wing. he's young-upside especially playing with us can be a 80-90 pt scorer.

should be an interesting summer. any ideas who montreal would give up?
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Must have missed the “we have a ton of money already committed to centers” part lol

I agree he’s a great player but doesn't make sense
 
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