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Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II

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HockeyBasedNYC said:
It took Jack Hughes over 2 seasons to begin realizing his potential (although it is very early still, it seems like he will).

Hughes
PPG%
1st season - .340
2nd season - .550

Laf
PPG%
1st season - .375
2nd season - ?

Laf scored about .60% in the last 20 games of last season, with that rate he would be on a similar trajectory - 50-58 points.

For me, I think whats most concerning is his lack of assists. In his final two seasons in the Q and at the WJs he was a play driving assist machine, similar to Hughes. We arent seeing much of that from him yet, he doesnt have the puck on his stick enough. But an interesting correlation here of two #1s.

It may just take a little longer for some of these kids to find the pace of the game. Hoepfully thats whats going on here. It was obvious from the start he wasnt going to be a Matthews or McDavid as far as production, but it woudlve been nice...
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Maybe but so far this season 1 point in 4 games.
 
bhamill said:
I'm honestly not worried about Lafreniere. He shows the flashes and consistency will come.
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I'm worried, but worry is different than proclaiming a bust.

Nothing wrong with worrying.

I want him to be MacKinnon level. He's not, pace-wise (ie, where MacKinnon was his rookie/2nd year). So it's worth it to worry.

Drawing conclusions is a different matter.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
It took Jack Hughes over 2 seasons to begin realizing his potential (although it is very early still, it seems like he will).

Hughes
PPG%
1st season - .340
2nd season - .550

Laf
PPG%
1st season - .375
2nd season - ?

Laf scored about .60% in the last 20 games of last season, with that rate he would be on a similar trajectory - 50-58 points.

For me, I think whats most concerning is his lack of assists. In his final two seasons in the Q and at the WJs he was a play driving assist machine, similar to Hughes. We arent seeing much of that from him yet, he doesnt have the puck on his stick enough. But an interesting correlation here of two #1s.

It may just take a little longer for some of these kids to find the pace of the game. Hoepfully thats whats going on here. It was obvious from the start he wasnt going to be a Matthews or McDavid as far as production, but it woudlve been nice...
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YES. And that is the sign of a very good player, if they can pass well. Yeah I was wondering about that myself last season... I guess you're right. And guys like Backstrom, McKinnon, Pasternac(?), or that guy from Pittsburgh, right? They took a little while to build up, but you always saw dominance in their games, especially the first two. I just don't see those crazy moves that the very best players make... I honestly don't even notice him for a few minutes sometimes.

"And in comes Lafremiere"
"oh, cool Sam"
"dumps it the end boards... And they recover it and clear it out, nice effort by Kreider to keep it in... But yeah, you saw what happened"
 
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mas0764 said:
I'm worried, but worry is different than proclaiming a bust.

Nothing wrong with worrying.

I want him to be MacKinnon level. He's not, pace-wise (ie, where MacKinnon was his rookie/2nd year). So it's worth it to worry.

Drawing conclusions is a different matter.
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and I don't want to even whisper the K word, right?
 
mas0764 said:
I'm worried, but worry is different than proclaiming a bust.

Nothing wrong with worrying.

I want him to be MacKinnon level. He's not, pace-wise (ie, where MacKinnon was his rookie/2nd year). So it's worth it to worry.

Drawing conclusions is a different matter.
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Sure, that's fair.
 
And I hate to say this because I really high, but even still. Remember that he was the all-time greatest QMJHLer, besides Crosby, who has been this generations Gretzky... So it actually is time to hold a mass candlelight prayer session on the bank of the Hudson Riv'er.
 
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BobMarleyNYR said:
YES. And that is the sign of a very good player, if they can pass well. Yeah I was wondering about that myself last season... I guess you're right. And guys like Backstrom, McKinnon, Pasternac(?), or that guy from Pittsburgh, right? They took a little while to build up, but you always saw dominance in their games, especially the first two. I just don't see those crazy moves that the very best players make... I honestly don't even notice him for a few minutes sometimes.

"And in comes Lafremiere"
"oh, cool Sam"
"dumps it the end boards... And they recover it and clear it out, nice effort by Kreider to keep it in... But yeah, you saw what happened"
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That guy from Pittsburgh?
 
TheDirtyH said:
Laf can be pretty lazy and has some clear junior traits in his game. He's got to bear down more, stop and start more, and start ripping the puck more often so that teams respect his shot and back off him opening lanes. He'll get there,
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It sucks that our top2 picks have had the worst developmental times possible because of Covid.

I truly am not worried about Laf. He will be a gamer.
 
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It's the incompetence of this organization that thinks it knows how to develop players. 1 cup in 80 years.
Lias ? Fine
Kravtsov ? Fine
A 2nd overall ? Idk
One of the better 1st overall picks in recent years? Yea, sorry something is rotten in the water.

This team doesn't know how to develop talent. But people will continue to blame the players. Suffocating. And shut up about the defensemen. If you look at our top 6 these past games, just an absolute disgrace.

I'm so upset that this organization got the luck you get once in a lifetime, and decided yea, we know what we're doin. Just went about it completely the wrong way.

1 cup in 80 years.

Sooner or later, when all the apples are turning bad, it's time to look at the tree. It's time to look at the soil it was planted in. Something is ROTTEN.
 
Gr8CornHolio said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/puckpr...-profile-alex-lafreniere-scouting-report/amp/


interesting to read this old scouting report. It seems pretty dead on from what we have seen. No?
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Yep. High IQ and vision. Pass first shoot second. Plays a simple game. Great hands but doesn’t try to get too cute with the puck.

Interesting comments about his front net play. I’d like to see him play the Kreider role on PP2 but I’m also kind of worried he would take too much of a beating right now.
 
Crease said:
Yep. High IQ and vision. Pass first shoot second. Plays a simple game. Great hands but doesn’t try to get too cute with the puck.

Interesting comments about his front net play. I’d like to see him play the Kreider role on PP2 but I’m also kind of worried he would take too much of a beating right now.
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It would be interesting to see.
 
Crease said:
Yep. High IQ and vision. Pass first shoot second. Plays a simple game. Great hands but doesn’t try to get too cute with the puck.

Interesting comments about his front net play. I’d like to see him play the Kreider role on PP2 but I’m also kind of worried he would take too much of a beating right now.
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The thing is his size and strength were an advantage in junior but are not above average at this level. His effectiveness in front of the net would depend entirely on how hard he wants to battle. He has the hands for it, but I don’t think net front is his spot. It would be more interesting to see him set up in that Ovechkin style role as mentioned in the scouting report. That’s much more within his style; kind of lazily “disappear” in the offensive zone only to find a soft spot to open up for a one timer. Right now our PP is woefully predictable trying to get Zibby the one timer low in the circle. Set Laf up a bit higher on the other side. Panarin (high) and Zib (low) options to the left, Laf to the right, Fox QBing with multiple options, and Kreider net front.
 
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He’s kinda dumpy lookin

bad facial hair - awful

not fast not big no shot not a hitter

This isn’t Luc Robitaille like we thought …

Real talk - I’m highly concerned we drafted a nice kid but a bottom 6 player.
 
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Kocur26 said:
He’s kinda dumpy lookin

bad facial hair - awful

not fast not big no shot not a hitter

This isn’t Luc Robitaille like we thought …

Real talk - I’m highly concerned we drafted a nice kid but a bottom 6 player.
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Real talk - that's a pretty awful take. For sure there are concerns, but the guy throws his body around a lot (maybe even too much) and has a respectable shot. His main issue this far has been separating himself enough to use said shot.

And who gives a rats ass about his facial hair
 
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ThirdEye said:
Real talk - that's a pretty awful take. For sure there are concerns, but the guy throws his body around a lot (maybe even too much) and has a respectable shot. His main issue this far has been separating himself enough to use said shot.

And who gives a rats ass about his facial hair
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Sorry I don’t see a one overall .

I was more impressed by Kravtsov

I like Kakko better .

I think we have an nhl player in him but I don’t think we have a superstar .

hope I’m wrong

btw - he’s not a forechecking force with his body / I’ll let you know when he is …
Kakko is light years ahead in that department.
 
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