Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II

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Part of this could simply be he defers too much to older players. Most 1OA’s come to a team where they’re immediately the best player on the ice, and defer to no one. Laf came to a team where he was maybe the 4th best player. So it might be easier to get into that selfish mindset with kids.

yeah honestly I see this more than I see anything else. Playing with Mikka he seems to sit back and watch what's going on. Playing with Chytil he's more involved. I think in general he'd get over that with time but he seems to be in the "just get them the puck" mindset rather than "I'll take the puck"

I'd be happy with him on a Chytil line if they get decent ES icetime, like Gallant really rolls his top 9 at least, but I worry they'll get shafted when Strome comes back

e: I think we're "disappointed" he's not like a guy who came in and immdiately set the league on fire but his whole circumstances with it are kinda weird. I think he'll be fine but it's going to be about finding more comfort level

Also thought that assist wasn't too bad for a second assist, was a bit of a tough pass through a guy trying to check him to Blais and get everyone up the ice
 
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all i will say is the kid is getting better, and truthfully he still is so young

none of the 1st overall picks in recent years have come out of the gate as superstars

hughes, laf, dahlin, hischier have all taken time to adjust

but i am really seeing him play a better overall game and it will only get better
 
Keep him away from the vets and he will be fine and continue to grow. The vets are seriously development kryptonite. Unfortunately for Kakko, Blais has something going with Laf and Chytil, so he's going to have to get along with at least Strome, if the current top line stays intact.
 
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He's in his 2nd season, coming off of a Covid hindered year. He's 20 years old. There's no doubt in my mind he will be a beast. He will take off real soon. He will have a strong season and be a menace next season. I have more worry over Kakko than I do Laf.

Draisatl type of progression.

He has talent. He is determined. He has phenomenal character. He is destined for greatness.
 
If this kid can follow the path of Tyler Seguin I think we would all be happy.

Seguin started his career on the third line of a cup winning team. He had 22 pts in 77 games d plus 1.

Granted we were no where near a cup winning team but unlinke most teams 1 ova we had talent.

To those expecting him to be MacKinnon and Mathews. I’d re watch his highlights from his WJC year.

He is at his best with the puck close to the net, or down low on the power play he is not that type of player.
 
He's in his 2nd season, coming off of a Covid hindered year. He's 20 years old. There's no doubt in my mind he will be a beast. He will take off real soon. He will have a strong season and be a menace next season. I have more worry over Kakko than I do Laf.

Draisatl type of progression.

He has talent. He is determined. He has phenomenal character. He is destined for greatness.

The Covid thing cannot be underestimated.

He literally went almost a full year without playing competitively in a game. No other prospect pool or 1OA can say that. That is a big development period from 18-19. Think about how he skated in game after game since he was a Mite, it's all he did - and then have to stop it all at 18 for a YEAR. And then live with a billet family for a few months before a BS week long "training camp"- jumping right into games.

He found his way through the first season and ended it very well. But these kids were locked in their rooms, tested every day, couldn't see their families, no team dinners, played the same tough Metro teams over and over and over. There was nothing normal about last season - for Laf, Kakko and all of the youngsters around the league. It was hard for the established vets too. Not an easy thing to deal with as a 19 year old. He handled it very well.

He literally just turned 20. He is so young. You look at players and how they mature. Blais is 25. Also still very young but you can see how they figure it out after a few years, being a more consistent player and understanding what they can do on the ice and when. Growing into a man's body. He will be Blais age in 2026-27. Think about where he will be then as a player. He'll be captain material - and STILL young with room for improvement.

Same thing with Buch, he blossomed after 3-4 season. You expect it to happen more quickly for a 1OA and I still think it will. These type of talents hit new levels quicker and shots of confidence like the game in MTL and last night just help him up the ladder quicker than the "normal" prospect. He's on the right pace.

Very young.

The knock on Laf going into the draft was his skating and pace. He's got all of the other tools - shot, playmaking, hitting, leadership, character, maturity, flair for the dramatics in big spots - we've already seen all of it at this level. No surprise that it's taking him some time to feel out the NHL pace, not getting lost in shifts and building a framework for more puck possession. He's also had two different coaches and systems to learn, albeit not much different.

He's improved his skating over the summer and I expect it to get even better. The kid works hard at his craft, just like Kakko.

As I said in the offseason I think conservatively speaking he will score at the rate he finished the last 20 games of last season - around .65. He was putting up more multiple point games. That is good for 52-58 points, with the potential of more if he gets hot and grabs a top PP spot on the 1st unit. This would be right on par for his development.

Amongst ALL of this he hasn't even completed a full NHL season yet.

Career:
61 G 14 G 10A 24P (with 6 GWG)
Over 82 that is
19G 13 A 32P

That is right in line with what you would expect from a 1OA winger in his first year as a 19 year old. I'm sure we would all be very satisfied with a 20 goal rookie season. If he scores at his current pace from the last 20 games plus this season you are looking at topping 40 plus points in that time frame.

Nothing to worry about.
 
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Part of this could simply be he defers too much to older players. Most 1OA’s come to a team where they’re immediately the best player on the ice, and defer to no one. Laf came to a team where he was maybe the 4th best player. So it might be easier to get into that selfish mindset with kids.
I think this has hampered both Kakko and Laf. They defer so much to Mika and Bread. Instead of playing the game, they keep going out of there way to feed them.
 
I think this has hampered both Kakko and Laf. They defer so much to Mika and Bread. Instead of playing the game, they keep going out of there way to feed them.
Gotta keep em separated!!!
Even if Laf gets 2-3 min less a game I would rather see him play better in those min then just force feed him minutes with Mika.
 
I think this has hampered both Kakko and Laf. They defer so much to Mika and Bread. Instead of playing the game, they keep going out of there way to feed them.

I feel that way about Panarin and Mika too. They need their "own" line. Kakko as well to a degree, but that will be impossible.

Put Kreids back on his true wing, bump Goodrow into that "Fast" spot where we knew he would wind up all along. That provides that line with some defensive stability. The French connection line stays intact.

Kreider Mika Kakko
Panarin Strome Goodrow
Laf Chytil Blais
Hunt/Goat - Rooney - Reaves/Goat

I think that solves all of it and is a very balanced, deep lineup.
 
I think this has hampered both Kakko and Laf. They defer so much to Mika and Bread. Instead of playing the game, they keep going out of there way to feed them.
kakko and panarin is a much different issue.
Kakko and panarin are both puck dominant players. Laf has shown a lot more versatility in his game where his game can excel even without the puck. kakko needs the puck on his stick to create space(which is actually the opposite of how most players work)
 
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Still playing too timid and indecisive with the puck. It’s almost like he doesn’t trust his talents at this level yet.
When he goes to drive to the net or get in a shooting position, he needs to make up his mind and do it with authority.
 
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This dude isn't very good. Would be the Rangers luck to have the worst 1st overall right before 2 possible McDavid level players.
 
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I was told I was giving a lazy take when I said he wouldn't become a truly impactful player at this level unless he improves his skating...
 
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it is still a lazy take.

he needs to get more engaged. Has nothing to do with his feet.

I don't think it's as simple as skating or engagement. It's a combination of things. AND he could do with some improvement in both of those areas. Laf SHOULD be working with a skating coach right now to improve his skill. As far as engagement, well, I just don't believe he is thinking the game fast enough right now for the NHL game and I am not sure how exactly to improve that.

What's worried me since we drafted him over Byfield is:

a) He was considered "slowish", someone who would need to slow the game down, when the NHL is just getting faster and faster. Dylan Strome found a similar issue when he arrived. While Laf isn't quite as bad a skater as Dylan, they both lack speed. All though I don't think Laf is AS slow as Dylan. But he's no speed demon either.
b) He was a big kid playing against kids his own age who were generally less mature. And that made him look better than he actually was and it allowed him to be more successful than he might have been just based on his skills. Unfortunately, that size isn't the same kind of advantage against grown men.
c) I honestly didn't see the "wow" factor. People were saying he's the best forward prospect to come along in however long, and I honestly didn't see it. A very promising prospect sure. But when you compare him to say Wright or Bedard, I don't think he's in the same league.
d) Just on a personal front, I thought we should have drafted Byfield. Their ceilings were considered similar, but IMO, Byfield had the higher end raw tools that could be polished. And while they were both big for their age, I didn't see Byfield's production being as dependent on using that size against other kids. Laf has amazing stickwork, but I thought Byfield was naturally more gifted in the other aspects of the game, faster, more athletic, with great vision. Plus he was a center, and we had just drafted Kakko and Kravtsov and had Buch, Panarin and Kreider. So it just seemed to me Byfield was the way to go.
e) I worry we went with Laf, more because of the hype and less because of his actual all around ability. Not suggesting his ability was in any way, overall poor. But when compared to a guy with the tools of Byfield, I generally lean towards highest plausible ceiling, which I thought Byfield had over him. It almost felt like we were taking Laf because many people expected it and there was this mythos behind Laf, which might not have been completely in tune with reality. Personally, I think if there was ever a moment to go against the grain, that was it. Regardless of what type of criticism from fans or media occurred in the following days. That storm would have been weathered and now in hindsight, I think people would have understood why we went against common opinion.

Anyway, I still have hope. He's young. He has some outstanding tools himself. But he needs to work on skating, he'll never be a speedster, but he can be a more efficient skater. He needs to work on his engagement and I think he needs to work on his positioning off the puck. Would be nice if his slapshot was a bit better too.

One thing that has struck me, is he was supposed to have this genius level hockey IQ, and from what I've seen so far, he often looks behind the game or even a bit lost at times. And I don't exactly see that genius level playmaker that everyone was pointing at. He has amazing stickwork though, and he can do some fancy things. But doing those at NHL speed with NHL level IQ just isn't there yet.
 
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I don't think it's as simple as skating or engagement. It's a combination of things. AND he could do with some improvement in both of those areas.

What's worried me since we drafted him over Byfield is:

a) He was considered "slowish", someone who would need to slow the game down, when the NHL is just getting faster and faster. Dylan Strome found a similar issue when he arrived. While Laf isn't quite as bad a skater as Dylan, they both lack speed. All though I don't think Laf is AS slow as Dylan. But he's no speed demon either.
b) He was a big kid playing against kids his own age who were generally less mature. And that made him look better than he actually was and it allowed him to be more successful than he might have been just based on his skills. Unfortunately, that size isn't the same kind of advantage against grown men.
c) I honestly didn't see the "wow" factor. People were saying he's the best forward prospect to come along in however long, and I honestly didn't see it. A very promising prospect sure. But when you compare him to say Wright or Bedard, I don't think he's in the same league.
d) Just on a personal front, I thought we should have drafted Byfield. Their ceilings were considered similar, but IMO, Byfield had the higher end raw tools that could be polished. And while they were both big for their age, I didn't see Byfield's production being as dependent on using that size against other kids. Laf has amazing stickwork, but I thought Byfield was naturally more gifted in the other aspects of the game. Plus he was a center, and we had just drafted Kakko and Kravtsov and had Buch, Panarin and Kreider. So it just seemed to me Byfield was the way to go.
e) I worry we went with Laf, more because of the hype and less because of his actual all around ability. Not suggesting his ability was in any way, overall poor. But when compared to a guy with the tools of Byfield, I generally lean towards highest plausible ceiling, which I thought Byfield had over him. It almost felt like we were taking Laf because many people expected it and there was this mythos behind Laf, which might not have been completely in tune with reality. Personally, I think if there was ever a moment to go against the grain, that was it. Regardless of what type of criticism from fans or media occurred in the following days. That storm would have been weathered and now in hindsight, I think people would have understood why we went against common opinion.

Anyway, I still have hope. He's young. He has some outstanding tools himself. But he needs to work on skating, he'll never be a speedster, but he can be a more efficient skater. He needs to work on his engagement and I think he needs to work on his positioning off the puck. Would be nice if his slapshot was a bit better too.

One thing that has struck me, is he was supposed to have this genius level hockey IQ, and from what I've seen so far, he often looks behind the game or even a bit lost at times. And I don't exactly see that genius level playmaker that everyone was pointing at. He has amazing stickwork though, and he can do some fancy things. But doing those at NHL speed with NHL level IQ just isn't there yet.
He’s processing the game ok, but when he gets the puck, he’s still way to tentative and looks to defer way more then he should. I don’t know if he’s intimidated or just looking to defer to Zibby too much, but it’s certainly not good.
Perfect example, when he had the puck down low with no one near him for 3-4 steps to the cage, he’s sitting back looking to pass. He’s got to put his head down and go. He needs to be more hungry to score rather then pass. His body is big enough and hands and shot are good enough to be a threat. I doubt he’ll ever be a speed demon, but when he gets the puck on his stick, he’s got to trust his skills and slow it down kind of like fox does.
At least so far this season, he’s going to the net and to the more high traffic areas looking for the puck.
That I can see more already, but now he got to get that killer scorers instinct. I think a lot has to do with him still being 20, and he also is trying to make highlight reel passes like panarin and Zibby instead of taking 1-2 steps to the middle and shooting the puck:
 
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He’s processing the game ok, but when he gets the puck, he’s still way to tentative and looks to defer way more then he should. I don’t know if he’s intimidated or just looking to defer to Zibby too much, but it’s certainly not good.

Perhaps. It could be a bit of both. It's certainly odd considering IQ and decision making and vision were supposed to be his strong points.

But I honestly do still feel he's thinking a step behind which is causing hesitation and uncertainty. Maybe not though.
 
I feel that way about Panarin and Mika too. They need their "own" line. Kakko as well to a degree, but that will be impossible.

Put Kreids back on his true wing, bump Goodrow into that "Fast" spot where we knew he would wind up all along. That provides that line with some defensive stability. The French connection line stays intact.

Kreider Mika Kakko
Panarin Strome Goodrow
Laf Chytil Blais
Hunt/Goat - Rooney - Reaves/Goat

I think that solves all of it and is a very balanced, deep lineup.

Until Kakko proves he can play at a high level offensively, I am not sure what would justify him, or require him to have his own line. Just because he likes to play on the puck more? I mean, sure, stylistically, that might be something of an issue, but he's not exactly proving himself a force when he does have the puck. And frankly, if a guy with his ability and physical tools can't adjust to playing off the puck, then he's not quite as good as he needs to be.

I don't know what their practice schedules are like, but Kakko should be practicing, striving to improve his shot tenfold from where it is. And I think he could do with some passing practice as well. If Kakko had Kravtsov's offensive skills, he'd be a superstar.

Whereas I think Laf needs to get a skating instructor, needs to be quicker, and think faster. Maybe he should be doing some brain training. His confidence also looks questionable so it's hard to tell exactly what the problems are.

Both of these issues just makes losing Kravtsov that much more woeful. Whatever his problems are, offensive talent isn't one of them.
 
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