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Alexander Burmistrov "will almost certainly return to NHL"
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Ok, I will!
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Totally agree, except for the bolded. IMHO, that definitely IS least - the least good of 3 good options. No matter what, we're improving though.
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That seems like an awfully low ceiling to me. I see so much of Datsyuk in that kid and he's still so young. Datsyuk, who at the same age also played for Ak Bars and had a lower point total and PPG than Burmistrov had last season.
Not that I'm saying he'll be as good at Datsyuk, but that's where I'd put his ceiling at.
IMO we won't roll those 4 as centers. That is fine as I think Burmistrov is a better wing than center at this stage of his career , of course we'll see after this season.
Watching some of MP , I see a C that doesn't handle the puck a lot , is more a darter and is secondary on the puck as opposed to primary. Not sure if he has experience playing on the wing , but from what I see , I would want to find out if he can do that so I know going forward.
Minor issue if it is one at all , much much easier to transition to wing from C than the reverse.
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Yeah, when they're all healthy one would certainly be on the wing. But when injuries come, then we still have a backup top 9 C which is a big relief.
Slava Malamud was on with RR on 1290 and reviewed the Burmistrov situation. He is a Russian sports writer based in Washington.
Worth noting he isn't overly kind or effusive regarding his play or mindset. Overall a fair synopsis of where things both were and currently are.
Intimated he didn't want to be here anymore , wanted to play his way , thinks he is a top 6 F and should be allowed to play the way he wants. Said he doesn't know if he can be a bottom 6 F . Not sure if he means he won't accept , or can't because if he is focused on that he can be an effective third line player. Said this is a concern or an issue for a lot of Russian players though.
Got the impression he thinks a trade is most likely and the better option , but just what I got from listening. I think that Maurice is an integral factor with this , we know he likes or wants to go with three more than less even lines , and if that is the case that may work for all . He may also connect with him on a better level .
So yes some hope for him returning , but by no means is it a given it would be to Winnipeg and also the concerns about what Burmistrov controls are still there , imo .
Worth noting he isn't overly kind or effusive regarding his play or mindset. Overall a fair synopsis of where things both were and currently are.
Intimated he didn't want to be here anymore , wanted to play his way , thinks he is a top 6 F and should be allowed to play the way he wants. Said he doesn't know if he can be a bottom 6 F . Not sure if he means he won't accept , or can't because if he is focused on that he can be an effective third line player. Said this is a concern or an issue for a lot of Russian players though.
Got the impression he thinks a trade is most likely and the better option , but just what I got from listening. I think that Maurice is an integral factor with this , we know he likes or wants to go with three more than less even lines , and if that is the case that may work for all . He may also connect with him on a better level .
So yes some hope for him returning , but by no means is it a given it would be to Winnipeg and also the concerns about what Burmistrov controls are still there , imo .
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I liked Burmi when he was here and thought he deserved more of an opportunity, but the bolded scares me a little.
I'm guessing that it's Slava's opinion, but I just don't like the sounds of the bolded. I want guys who want to be top 6 forwards, but I don't like hearing people say that they just want to play how they want to play. Hockey teams need to have everyone pulling in the same direction IMO.
I'm not holding Burmi to this report, but it would concern me if this was indeed Burmi's mindset.
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I agree. No way is he going to be a more talented offensive player than Scheif or Little, so if those are our top 2 centres, he better accept the role he is given...He would be an upgrade over Perrault in an expanded 3 line scenario, but not in the faceoff circle...So that leaves me wondering how he fits now, because I don't see his future in the NHL as a winger, his skating reminds me too much of Datsyuk...The probability is he will be traded, but there is no way that we can recoup his draft value, so he is like a newly owned sports car, devalued, with some mechanical difficulties. I don't know if Maurice is the mechanic who can get him tuned up and revving. Our hope may be that Burmi can net us an underachiever who hasn't bloomed yet. Zinger seemed to be good at finding those guys, hopefully he and Chevy can, if Burmistrov is going to be a problem child for the team. Maybe he is a chip for a deadline deal, if we are knocking on the playoff door.
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Have a listen to a podcast on 1290 , worthwhile to do so imo .
Not a secret I have been critical of Burmistrov's attitude before but I didn't post this to harp on that. It was an issue , and people can say it could have been handled differently or better by the Jets but imo the burden for the impasse is mostly on Burmistrov. It is his take on the situation , both then and now , but he is an independent source and of course informed on the matter.
That isn't to say I don't want him back , I do , if he has the requisite attitude . He is valuable to Winnipeg and likely more so on the roster as opposed to being traded.
As I mentioned I think Maurice can be a key , and his preference for three lines more similar than not could also be a large factor. Another year of playing and development comes into this as well , he could elevate his game so that his production more mirrors his skill set. IMO he has challenges , shot , perimeter play ,not distributing the puck as well as he should , but he has the ability to be a positive player to be sure. He needs to buy in if he returns , he didn't before . Saying that I do hope that the situation evolves to both sides on the same page and him returning as Jet.
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In defense of Noel that certainly sounds like what he had to try to deal with. Maybe Maurice would be better able to communicate with Burmi based on his coaching experience in the KHL. It was only 1 year though. How many Russians have been in North America much longer than that and still don't seem to understand North America or NA hockey? Burmi, Ovi, Yak just to name a few. They seem to just want to be stars.
The double-stuff Buff stuff has been moved to the Buffalicious thread.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1563389
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I don't remember how good he was/was not at face-offs. If he could be as good as MP then he could be 3C and Perreault could play on a wing. With a change from thinking top 6 to a top 9 he might be happy with that. I did not like the part about wanting to be allowed to do whatever he wants though. I think the best coaches get the most out of the players they have, as they are without trying to change them too much. There needs to be a balance between rigidly disciplined play and individuality, between creativity and team play. If he won't accept any restrictions at all I would call him uncoachable. He isn't Ovi, who may be able to get away with that.
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Not an unfair post!
Alex is a good player but I think that Slava got it right. Alex has challenges being stubborn and it might have followed him to Russia. He is a valuable asset and I will be happy if we get him back but thank god we have Mo because I think he is the perfect guy for the job and I do believe he will have his work cut out for him.
I would suggest to you that it may well be just as much JetKarma's interpretation of Slava's opinion. I hope you don't take it as an attack on you, Karma because it isn't, but I almost never agree with your analysis, and I think you're prone to drawing strange conclusions that other people (or I, myself at least) might not. Thanks for referring us to the podcast, though. I'll take a listen when I have a minute and see if I agree this time or not. Huffer, I'd recommend you do the same.
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Slava was absolutely great last year heading into the Olympics talking about how much pressure the Russian's were going to be under at home. I thought that interview was one of the best on 1290 all year. When I get some time and space from my kids at the lake I will give it a listen but if it's the same guy he was a great resource on Russian hockey and players.
As I recall it was on the illegal curve show pre olympics.
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He was 47.2% in the circle in 2012-2013. Perrault was 52% last year. In order to become a puck possession team, this is a good place to start. Slater has consistently been a good faceoff guy. Little is up and down, 51% is 2012-13, 47.5% last year. Scheifele was downright awful last year, and the team will either have to give him more offensive zone draws, or solidify him with a winger who wins draws, like Frolik (63%). Or just be patient, because I expect improvement.
The fact of the matter is that Burmistrov should not have been in the NHL at 18, although there was not enough talent on the Thrashers to send him down...But his development was hindered somewhat by the lack of progressive growth as a player since his draft. His defection did little to bolster his growth within the organization...Hopefully he wants to be a Jet and contribute his talents to improving our team, if not, he is as good as gone. 100% agree with your reference to coaching bringing out the best of a player to a team, Maurice may be able to tap into Burmi's potential.
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One point about Little's FOW%. While Slater was out he was apparently taking a lot more than usual on his off side. That stopped when Slater came back and his % improved. This is just something I remember hearing from the broadcast crew. I haven't checked any stats to confirm. Don't know where to look with ES not available.
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I find it passing strange that you would question Karma's synopsis without having even listened to the podcast itself. The part about Burmi was only 5 minutes long or so and pretty much was as Karma described it.
Slava is an insightful commentator IMO. He joked that all Russian players are trained as top-6ers, insinuating that very few of their players make it as "grinders". But he also expressed doubts that Burmi had the talent to succeed in a top-6 role on many (?most) NHL teams. And he most certainly cast doubt on Burmi's enthusiasm to play on the Jets unless it was in a role commensurate with his ability (as defined, of course, by Burmi himself).
With the right attitude, Burmi could find himself as a top-9 F on a Jets team that is prepared to give the third line a prominent role, along with PK/PP time, and an opportunity to play up in the case of injuries. What's so bad about that?
The operative word here is still attitude. Has he matured or does he still have "an exaggerated sense of his own self importance"?
(I like that phrase because once upon a time, long ago, someone once used it to describe me
)Not offended at all , everyone can listen and draw their own conclusions but Slava was not giving Burmistrov a free pass on the matter. I made the issue of his "stubbornness" public well before it was done by local media. What eventually happened wasn't a surprise to me, but as I said I do value him , but not blindly like some perhaps do.
I take strong stances at times , but am very comfortable doing so , I have been right more than enough to not worry about not doing that.
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1 note:
FO% need to be taken with a grain of salt when trying to translate into effects on puck possession. After the Edmonton hire, all of Dellow's stuff rent offline... Bit he showed how the oilers improved their FO%s substantially BUT actually worsened their puck possession when looking at within 25 seconds after non neutral zone faceoffs.
of course, the reasoning is quite obvious... The oiler wingers were supporting the centres more but this was hitting their break outs and denial of other teams' breakouts more substantially.
That said, I agree with you that the Jets need to improve there, but thought this was an interesting caveat.
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I agree JK, especially with your last paragraph here. I like Burmi as an asset, and would love him on the team next year, but like you say, he needs to buy in. That's my only issue.
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