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Player Discussion Alex Newhook
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Yes, that’s the song you sounded like in your post. I adapted the lyrics to the third person.
Well blow me away. A raw rookie selected 16th overall is supposed to break in on a Stanley Cup Contender and take ownership of a top 6 role out of the gate. They gave him some reps but it didn't take quelle surprise. Totally unreasonable expectation. 13-20-33 is perfectly fine to go a long with a healthy +11
His following season saw him play a bottom 6 role with a responsibility to the Dside of the puck. 14-16-30 His stats were 10th on that team who were once again a cup contender. That he doesn't drive offense and he lacks vision is laughable. Perhaps you should go back and read up on why he was drafted in the first place. The Kid is 22 not 25. Excuse me if I disregard much of what you've written.
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Newhook really isn't a playdriver, but so what? Pacioretty wasn't a playdriver either. There are all kinds of ways for a player to be good, and being puck dominant is one of them. Projecting one's ideals of what a player ought to be onto players who don't fit them is how teams end up with steals. It's how we got Caufield, it's how Dallas got Robertson, it's how Tampa got Kucherov.
What Newhook can do, he can do at a very high level. We should lean into what his strengths are - namely skating, handling and shooting at speed - rather than trying to turn him into Nick Suzuki.
What Newhook can do, he can do at a very high level. We should lean into what his strengths are - namely skating, handling and shooting at speed - rather than trying to turn him into Nick Suzuki.
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BehindTheTimes
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And the ones that said the others will look foolish will disappear when they don’t.
The truth is, no one knows what we got here. I like the idea of taking swings at high upside, young talent, further along in their development. I thought the price was a bit steep on this one. Might work out, might not.
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Newhook: "Oh, Kirby. I just love how you skate and go into the corners to get the puck".
Dach: "Oh, Alex, your shot is really impressive. Can you show me how you do it?"
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I think Hughes was making a conscious effort to target a player who falls into the age group of our young core who has elite speed and can play in a top six role. The speed of our forward group as a whole is very average and it is important to try and get a burner on each line. Just the threat of Newhook's speed forces the opponent's dmen to play with a larger gap which creates more space through the neutral zone and a higher percentage of successful controlled zone entries.
Looking at the market it is no surprise that Hughes targeted Newhook and had to pay a significant price to acquire him.
Looking at the market it is no surprise that Hughes targeted Newhook and had to pay a significant price to acquire him.
Playdriver is an oft used misplaced term on this board. For me there a very few veritable play drivers in this league. Hockey is was and always will be a team sport and it takes more than one player to drive play properly. Newhook carries the puck very well at speed is that driving play? Probably not unless he has McDavid like finishing skills.
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I think that's the key here....There's always a risk, but less so because you know the player you traded for can at least play in the NHL which isn't the case with draft picks....especially draft picks at the bottom of the first round/top of the second.
The trade ended up being Alex Newhook for Mikhail Gulyayev and Ethan Gauthier....I know Montreal may not have taken those two players, but in a nut shell, it's that.
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What did you think of the Dach trade when it happened? Not in hindsight, but at the time it was made.
Dach: 59 pts (19G, 40A) in 153 GP in 3 seasons before Canadiens acquired him.
The cost to acquire him: Romanov + 1st (13th) + 3rd (66th) + 4th (98th).
Newhook: 66 pts (27G, 39A) in 159 GP in 2 seasons + 6 games before Canadiens acquired him.
The cost to acquire him: 1st (31st) + 2nd (37th)
They paid less to get Newhook, who still has had a more productive few years than Dach did at the time of their respective trades.
I also don't know how you consider 192 lbs small. Sure he's under 6-feet, but that doesn't make him small.
And speaking of former clients: the last time Hughes acquired a former client, it turned out in Habs' favor by a lot: Mike Matheson.
I loved the Dach trade at the time. Injuries played a key role in his stalled development. I believed and still do that he can-be a solid 2C. He needs to improve his faceoffs to be more reliable at C but he has all the elements to become a star player and size to boot. Dach even during his Hawks days showed flashes of the potential he is showing now.
I don’t see the same upside in Newhook. He was very underwhelming.
Adam you always lay everything out in a way that makes sense.
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Dach did have injuries that played a role. But he was a 3rd OA and was considered a bust.
He played often with Kane, Toews and/or DeBrincat and wasn't able to produce or elevate his game to consistency playing with these guys. He averaged over 18 mins a game in his 2 seasons with Chicago prior to the trade.
Newhook, a 16th OA was mostly limited to 3rd line duty and averaging less than 14 mins of ice time and still produced more than Dach did.
Newhook has scored 13 goals and 14 goals, respectively, the last two seasons. Dach had yet to crack 10 goals with Chicago.
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FYI, Dach was not acquired with both Romanov and a 1st. Romanov was traded for a first, which was flipped for Dach. Otherwise, though, your point is still valid.
If Newhook finds himself a chair in the top 6 and gets decent PP time, stays healthy, I easily predict 50+ points.
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26Mats
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There are plenty of players that had around 60 points in around 155 games when they started out their careers. Not all of them took it to the next level as Dach did last year in Montreal. Some just weren't capable of doing so. We'll see whether or not Newhook is.
Caufield went from unproductive to on pace for 50 goals with MSL. But Gurianov didn't. DIfferent players, different results from working with MSL and the coaching staff.
I think part of the problem was Dach's situation in Chicago, the coaching and development. I'm not sure the situation was as bad for development in Colorado as it was in Chicago. Though some Avs fans I've noticed have been complaining about how they're developing their young players as they focus on winning now.
At any rate we'll see what happens. I'm not making any predictions on Newhook's production until I see him on the ice. And it took Dach some time to produce. He first needed to play wing with Suzuki and Caufiled. But then he was ready to lead his own line and still produce.
One of the other huge benefits is man games lost. NONE
Everyone talks about Dach taking it to the next level. That has not happened yet. 38 points is not the next level.
What Dach did do was demonstrate he can get to the next level. Now he has to put it all together.
8 years?
Would you risk 4.82M X 8 years, like with Kotkaniemi for Newhook, rather than pay 3.5M for 4 years?
With the rise g Cap, even if Newhook ends up a Thord liner with 2nd line upside in case of injuries and a role on the PP and PK, would he be worth the gamble to lock in a decent Cap hit long term?
Would you risk 4.82M X 8 years, like with Kotkaniemi for Newhook, rather than pay 3.5M for 4 years?
With the rise g Cap, even if Newhook ends up a Thord liner with 2nd line upside in case of injuries and a role on the PP and PK, would he be worth the gamble to lock in a decent Cap hit long term?
That's why the 4-year term at its Cap hit is fair for both parties. If Dach brings it up a level to 50+ points this year and really breaks out for the final two years off his contract as a near-PPG player, he will have strong arguments for his next contract.Everyone talks about Dach taking it to the next level. That has not happened yet. 38 points is not the next level.
What Dach did do was demonstrate he can get to the next level. Now he has to put it all together.
With the offense rounding out over the next three years as talented prospects earn their wings (pun intended), Dach's production should also increase thanks to the better options on his wings.
In 54 games…Everyone talks about Dach taking it to the next level. That has not happened yet. 38 points is not the next level.
What Dach did do was demonstrate he can get to the next level. Now he has to put it all together.
No reason to commit 8 years to a guy like this. Bridge him and be happy if you have to pay more in a few years because he turns out to be a star that you got for picks 31 and 37.
2 years x $2.500M
3 years x $2.800M
4 years x $3.100M
I stop there so he is still RFA at the end of the contract.
Dach always had higher potential than Newhook, and puck possession centers are more valuable too.
Newhook should get something less than Dach got. There is a reason he was acquired cheaper too.
Yet him only playing 54 games does not help us in the other 28 games. Like I said that is not the next level not by a longshot.
