Player Discussion Alex Newhook

[Habs Icing]

Dach: 59 pts (19G, 40A) in 153 GP in 3 seasons before Canadiens acquired him.
The cost to acquire him: Romanov + 1st (13th) + 3rd (66th) + 4th (98th).

Wasn't it Romanov (who was traded for a 13th) + 3rd + 4th. Or am I remembering it wrong?

 

[Archijerej]

Playdriver is an oft used misplaced term on this board. For me there a very few veritable play drivers in this league. Hockey is was and always will be a team sport and it takes more than one player to drive play properly. Newhook carries the puck very well at speed is that driving play? Probably not unless he has McDavid like finishing skills.

My understanding is that a playdriver in your example would be someone who makes an accurate pass to Newhook in full stride, so that he forces the defence back.

He'd be a play driver if he could gain speed with the puck on his own, while going through defenders in the process.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Wasn't it Romanov (who was traded for a 13th) + 3rd + 4th. Or am I remembering it wrong?

Yes it was two separate trades. But to acquire Dach, it took Romanov, 13th OA, 66th & 98th. They had to use all of these assets to get to Dach.

Dach always had higher potential than Newhook, and puck possession centers are more valuable too.

Newhook should get something less than Dach got. There is a reason he was acquired cheaper too.

Yes. Dach had more potential. He wasn't a 3rd OA for nothing.

But Dach was just as or more underwhelming when he was acquired than Newhook has been.

 

[Kwikwi]

Yet him only playing 54 games does not help us in the other 28 games. Like I said that is not the next level not by a longshot.

hmm what? lol
Sure let him play injured. What an argument....

 

[NORiculous]

No reason to commit 8 years to a guy like this. Bridge him and be happy if you have to pay more in a few years because he turns out to be a star that you got for picks 31 and 37.

2 years x $2.500M
3 years x $2.800M
4 years x $3.100M

I stop there so he is still RFA at the end of the contract.

I like 2 years. But I like 8 years more then the 4 years option.

 

[BLONG7]

The similarities to the Dach situation are very close....contracts will look very similar.
The agent could request a 2 yr deal and bet on the kid himself to do well given the chance to be in the Top 6 on a young team.
4th youngest team in the league....

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Newhook: "Oh, Kirby. I just love how you skate and go into the corners to get the puck".

Dach: "Oh, Alex, your shot is really impressive. Can you show me how you do it?"

 

[SlafySZN]

Yet him only playing 54 games does not help us in the other 28 games. Like I said that is not the next level not by a longshot.

He took the next level, compared to himself in years prior…

Doesn’t need to compare him to someone else to see he improved, not only in point production but overall game.

 

[Rapala]

hmm what? lol
Sure let him play injured. What an argument....

Nobody expects him to play injured don't be obtuse. What should be obvious is you can't claim a player has reached another level until the total production the player brings for his team is actually at that next level. 38 points is 38 points regardless if he missed games for injury or was benched or was demoted. Dach needs to play more games and put up more points to reach the next level. Which is exactly what I said. What if he never plays more than 3/4 of a season in the future is he at another level.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Everyone talks about Dach taking it to the next level. That has not happened yet. 38 points is not the next level.
What Dach did do was demonstrate he can get to the next level. Now he has to put it all together.

I know lol, sone acting like he’s sone big saviour. I think he maxes out at 50-60 points.

 

[Rapala]

He took the next level, compared to himself in years prior…

Doesn’t need to compare him to someone else to see he improved, not only in point production but overall game.

So what exactly does he demonstrated that he can take it to the next level mean. Which was in the original post. People can pick at what I said all they want but that doesn't change the facts or the bottom line.

 

[SlafySZN]

I know lol, sone acting like he’s sone big saviour. I think he maxes out at 50-60 points.

No one said he was a big saviour.

And he was on pace for around 50-55 points this year, sorry if some people think he can do even better than that as he is only 22.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

No one said he was a big saviour.

And he was on pace for around 50-55 points this year, sorry if some people think he can do even better than that as he is only 22.

The old “on pace” line. Never heard that one before. Imo he’s a 60 point player. Not a bad player, but we didn’t give up a bad player. Hardly the fleecing many act like that 3 way deal was.

 

[BaseballCoach]

My understanding is that a playdriver in your example would be someone who makes an accurate pass to Newhook in full stride, so that he forces the defence back.

He'd be a play driver if he could gain speed with the puck on his own, while going through defenders in the process.

Like Dach?

 

[Archijerej]

Like Dach?

Yeah. Hopefully.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Adam you always lay everything out in a way that makes sense.

No, he screwed up. It wasn't Romanov AND a 13th, it was Romanov and the 98th, which got us the 13th, and then the 13th and 65th, which got us. You can eliminate the 13th as it was in and out.

 

[SlafySZN]

The old “on pace” line. Never heard that one before. Imo he’s a 60 point player. Not a bad player, but we didn’t give up a bad player. Hardly the fleecing many act like that 3 way deal was.

i guess we’d have to assume he wouldn’t have scored more points if he played the last 24 games. It makes more sense.

And for the trade, all i saw was people saying it was a great deal for the habs that needed a top 6 C for a left handed dman we could easily replace.

Back to Newhook.

 

[HabbyGuy]

now it’s ‘’not the fleecing many act like the deal was’’

All i saw was people saying it was a great deal for the habs that needed a top 6 C for a left handed dman we could easily replace.

And like it or not, he still has untapped potential. Can it be said or it means that i think he’s a big saviour?

It was a great trade that made perfect sense, it has potential to pay off. It's just not set in stone it will.

Either way we're better off with Dach. So a win in that regard for sure. IMO he's at minimal a very nice top 6 winger if injuries don't derail him.

At this point we're all hoping he can continue to grow and solidify himself as a top 2C, and dreaming that it could be better.

We just don't know yet. Which is in complete contrast to Suzuki.

 

[SlafySZN]

It was a great trade that made perfect sense, it has potential to pay great dividends. It's just not set in stone it will.

Either way we're better off with Dach. So a win in that regard for sure. IMO he's at minimal a very nice top 6 winger if injuries don't derail him.

We're all hoping he can solidify himself as a top 2C or better.

Yes, that was my point all along.

Some just didn’t like when someone said he took the next level.

I just think compared to himself in his previous season he did take a step. It seems others define ‘’take it to another level’’ differently.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Yes, that was my point all along.

Some just didn’t like when someone said he took the next level.

I just think compared to himself in his previous season he did take a step. It seems others define ‘’take it to another level’’ differently.

Yes when he played, and wasn't injured, he showed promise for sure.

I'd agree that when on the ice, his play as a Canadien is the best he's looked in his young NHL career.

There was growth or ascension if you will.

 

[Jaynki]

Dach paced for 53 points/82 games this season.

He just turned 22 years old and he is still on an uptrending curve, development wise.

He has 1C, possesion centerman, 70pts ++ potential.

If he maxes out as a 50-60 points player, it means he reached his ceiling already which is incongruent with the data we have right now.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dach paced for 53 points/82 games this season.

He just turned 22 years old and he is still on an uptrending curve, development wise.

He has 1C, possesion centerman, 70pts ++ potential.

If he maxes out as a 50-60 points player, it means he reached his ceiling already.

Apparently pace doesn’t matter.

Plus thinking he took a step and still has untapped potential means you think he is a ‘’big saviour’’.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Apparently pace doesn’t matter.

Plus thinking he took a step and still has untapped potential means you think he is a ‘’big saviour’’.

You enjoying your circle jerk?

 

[Rapala]

You enjoying your circle jerk?

Cole Caufield is a 50 goal scorer despite having a career best of 26. I've read the arguments before. It's disappointing there isn't much value placed on durability which was clearly a HUGE issue for us these past couple of seasons. Newhook played 10 games in the AHL plus 72 games in the NHL his rookie year followed up with 82 games last season. He's got that low center of gravity type build that seems to weather the wear and tear better than some of the long lanky players or even the brutes like Slaf. As a GM building a team those stats mean a lot. It sure beats crossing your fingers and praying for healthy season out of players with a history of dropping games.

 

[Corky]

Yet him only playing 54 games does not help us in the other 28 games. Like I said that is not the next level not by a longshot.

If your point is that Dach‘s main issue is durability, then I would fully agree and it is a valid concern.

If you wanna talk about “breakout” though, I think PPG is a much better indicator. And I do think Dach would have had a better PPG if he had played a full season but 38pts in 54gms is pretty good for a 22 year old.

With all that said, Dach doesn’t seem to be able to stay healthy and that’s a big concern.