Your thoughts on Berube & coaching staff

[Dreakmur]

We struggle to score now so how are we going to score against significantly better competition with more time to gameplan?

We’re trying to play a game that scores the goals that are harder to gameplan against.

Even if we continue at our current pace we're going to struggle to win playoff series

The plan is to turn that “if” into a reality. Our goals stay close to the same, and we reduce the opponents’ by some thing significant.

Were horrendously inconsistent

Yes, the players don’t like to work as hard as they have to work to make this style consistently effective.

 

[Evilhomer]

This thread is going to be awesome in about a week or so.

 

[GoonieFace]

This thread is going to be awesome in about a week or so.

Why is that? If you read, most people are waiting for the playoffs to properly evaluate how his “system”takes hold

 

[Evilhomer]

Why is that? If you read, most people are waiting for the playoffs to properly evaluate how his “system”takes hold

Which is why this thread will be pointless. The Leafs will win a bunch of games in a row, many of which will mean nothing in the larger picture, and everyone will forget about the coaching staff. Let's see how they play in April, May and June. That is all that matters.

 

[GoonieFace]

Which is why this thread will be pointless. The Leafs will win a bunch of games in a row, many of which will mean nothing in the larger picture, and everyone will forget about the coaching staff. Let's see how they play in April, May and June. That is all that matters.

I see your point. If we are evaluating now, I would say he has benefited from stellar goaltending, but at the same time injuries have had an impact (especially to the bigger bodies)

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Berube needs to split Marner/Matthews. That is becoming a real problem.

Ya.. they're pretty pedestrian together here. I think with Matty, he needs someone to drag him into the fight. And that's not Mitch. Noone expects it to be.

This is why you gotta Crosby this shyt. And Penguins it out like when Sid had to play with 2 scrubs on multiple cup runs, as they spread out first Sid, Malkin, Stall - and then Sid, Malkin, Kessel. Sid was riding with Sheary and Guentzel who noone had heard of. He made players out of those guys. Or he had Rust, Prust or some other Busta on his wing.

Basically, Matty needs to drive a line on his own too, with Knies and Domi, or JT. And then rock with Marner and Nylander each driving their own lines - and ain't no 1st, 2nd, 3rd lines - it's just whatever matchups are required for whatever opponent you get. I'm telling yall now, we don't do that - then it's gonna be irrelevant as to what we do. Point blank.

 

[Hellcat]

Which is why this thread will be pointless. The Leafs will win a bunch of games in a row, many of which will mean nothing in the larger picture, and everyone will forget about the coaching staff. Let's see how they play in April, May and June. That is all that matters.

Why so negative? You do understand there were six options to pick from?

 

[notDatsyuk]

With the caveat that it's too soon to tell, I'd say somewhat more good than bad.

Taking into consideration the injuries, the team has been better. How much credit goes to Tre and how much to Berube is uncertain.

I'll hold off on serious opinion until the playoffs.

 

[thewave]

He has the right idea some the time. Most of the time he coaches like a dope with no accountability or perception of real time reality.

He can't adapt on the fly. Not high hockey IQ

 

[The Shadow]

The fact that they beat Edmonton was a miracle. Another 30 seconds and they would have tied it

They do not look like a contender at all.

They looked gassed in the third and Edmonton was all over them

 

[Stephen]

The fact that they beat Edmonton was a miracle. Another 30 seconds and they would have tied it

They do not look like a contender at all.

They looked gassed in the third and Edmonton was all over them

This Leafs group is a little long in the tooth but seems to struggle with conditioning all the time and the work rate Berube's system seems to ask for. Sure they've played more back to backs than other teams, but is this team not properly conditioned to handle a grinding style?

 

[wingman75]

Which is why this thread will be pointless. The Leafs will win a bunch of games in a row, many of which will mean nothing in the larger picture, and everyone will forget about the coaching staff. Let's see how they play in April, May and June. That is all that matters.

Every thread here is "pointless" other than the GDT's and PGT's. This team and coaching staff will always ultimately be judged on playoff success. But, since, you know, we have the forum, we may as well discuss something.

This Leafs group is a little long in the tooth but seems to struggle with conditioning all the time and the work rate Berube's system seems to ask for. Sure they've played more back to backs than other teams, but is this team not properly conditioned to handle a grinding style?

Either not conditioned (though they seem able come playoff time) or not willing...

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Elite...

 

[Martin Skoula]

Unfortunate that he’s significantly softer than Keefe in jersey by just about every measurable aspect but I assume you can only do so much with country club Trev and Shanny.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Elite...

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L ughead (Berube)
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T oronto
E xcels

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Very little difference.

They went from 32.573 shots for per game last year to 28.712 this year. Anyone pretending they can see a difference of four shots a game are deluding themselves. Meanwhile their shots against per game went from 26.646 last year to 26.269 this year.

If low event hockey means shooting less they've accomplished that.

There's still no accountability under Berube. Domi and Rielly should have been benched for a game or two by now. The forward lineups haven't changed a lick under Berube either.

It's pretty clear Matthews and Marner are still calling the shots.

Berube is just there to chew gum and look tough. They may as well just give him a pair of pom pom's to wave. Being a cheerleader is all he's good for anyway.

Literally the only difference he's made is four shots a game in the wrong direction.

 

[Smif]

With the caveat that it's too soon to tell, I'd say somewhat more good than bad.

Taking into consideration the injuries, the team has been better. How much credit goes to Tre and how much to Berube is uncertain.

I'll hold off on serious opinion until the playoffs.

I feel like just the goaltending has been better.

PP is worse.
Offense is worse.
Defense I want to say is better but it seems like Tanev, OEL and McCabe are better but Rielly, Timmins, Benoit and Myers have been worse.

We finish games off better when we have a lead but we don't comeback when we're losing as well this year.

We may only be better because the Atlantic is weaker.

 

[Hellcat]

Very little difference.

They went from 32.573 shots for per game last year to 28.712 this year. Anyone pretending they can see a difference of four shots a game are deluding themselves. Meanwhile their shots against per game went from 26.646 last year to 26.269 this year.

If low event hockey means shooting less they've accomplished that.

There's still no accountability under Berube. Domi and Rielly should have been benched for a game or two by now. The forward lineups haven't changed a lick under Berube either.

It's pretty clear Matthews and Marner are still calling the shots.

Berube is just there to chew gum and look tough. They may as well just give him a pair of pom pom's to wave. Being a cheerleader is all he's good for anyway.

Literally the only difference he's made is four shots a game in the wrong direction.

That .4 represents about a goal every other game... just saying.

 

[centipede2233]

Leafs finished last season with a .622 win % and a goal difference of +40
Leafs this year through 52 gp have a .615 win % and a goal difference of of +9

The coaching change has done wonders!

 

[thewave]

Very little difference.

They went from 32.573 shots for per game last year to 28.712 this year. Anyone pretending they can see a difference of four shots a game are deluding themselves. Meanwhile their shots against per game went from 26.646 last year to 26.269 this year.

If low event hockey means shooting less they've accomplished that.

There's still no accountability under Berube. Domi and Rielly should have been benched for a game or two by now. The forward lineups haven't changed a lick under Berube either.

It's pretty clear Matthews and Marner are still calling the shots.

Berube is just there to chew gum and look tough. They may as well just give him a pair of pom pom's to wave. Being a cheerleader is all he's good for anyway.

Literally the only difference he's made is four shots a game in the wrong direction.

They are doing things a little differently and still running the zero accountability platform. Essentially they will be losers unless the tenders lead us places.

Grade him and his staff a C

 

[Maple Leaf]

Have to wait till postseason
Berube style doesnt fit this team
We will see

 

[thewave]

Have to wait till postseason
Berube style doesnt fit this team
We will see

You saw it last night. Treliving screwed up the depth and support. They can't play with the big boys. They need fast hungry young legs for one. Then they need help at C and to fix or remove broken Rielly

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

That .4 represents about a goal every other game... just saying.

Are you talking about the 0.4 difference improvement on the shots against?

Because it is significantly overwhelmed by the -4 difference in shots for. It's about one goal for every ten shots, so a four shot difference per game is about a goal every two and a half games, or 32.8 less goals per season this year vs last year. At approximately 6 goals = 1 win that's the equivalence of six less wins over an 82 game schedule.

That's the effect Berube has had so far.

They are doing things a little differently and still running the zero accountability platform. Essentially they will be losers unless the tenders lead us places.

Grade him and his staff a C

There is a little difference in play you are correct.

Playing a trap in the third when they hold a multi-goal lead for example probably explains why their shots for totals are down this year while shots against haven't changed. I agree the difference in goals this year is mainly attributable to the great goaltending they have been receiving. Berube doesn't really strike me as this commander in charge we were all sold on either though.

He's all bark no bite.

 

[thewave]

Are you talking about the 0.4 difference improvement on the shots against?

Because it is significantly overwhelmed by the -4 difference in shots for. It's about one goal for every ten shots, so a four shot difference per game is about a goal every two and a half games, or 32.8 less goals per season this year vs last year. At approximately 6 goals = 1 win that's the equivalence of six less wins over an 82 game schedule.

That's the effect Berube has had so far.



There is a little difference in play you are correct.

Playing a trap in the third when they hold a multi-goal lead for example probably explains why their shots for totals are down this year while shots against haven't changed. I agree the difference in goals this year is mainly attributable to the great goaltending they have been receiving. Berube doesn't really strike me as this commander in charge we were all sold on either though.

He's all bark no bite.

Yeah for sure. That depth though isn't taking us far or anywhere and Morgan can lose games for us in the playoffs on his own. Is the guy using hard drugs?

Rielly should be getting booed off the ice

 

[BraveCanadian]

Early on it seemed like the Leafs had some more drive and were better in their own zone.

The last couple of months they look just like they have for years. Inconsistent effort, soft, can't score a lot of nights.. clown show in their own end.