Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[Micklebot]

I think we define soft differently.

Perhaps you could elaborate on how you feel he's soft?

 

[GCK]

I don’t define soft by size because I’ve loved Theo Fluery and MSL - soft is not being able to impact a big hockey game, it’s being quiet when the going gets tough. A guy like Brayden Point isn’t soft because you notice him in big games and big moments - didn’t get that vibe from ADB and that’s why I don’t think he’s worth $8 million. I waited around for him to do something important way to much this season and it never really happened

Point and Fleury would/do win their share of board battles and were/are not perimeter players. Debrincat is soft, it’s a mentality not stature issue. Logan Brown is big and soft, Eric Brannstrom is small and not soft (and getting better), Debrincat is small and soft.

Perhaps you could elaborate on how you feel he's soft?

Doesn’t win battles, plays on the perimeter

 

[Samsquanch]

Has a very very similar feel to Bobby Ryan - he arrived and underwhelmed and was all wishy washy about extending, and then Ryan got paid off his history in Anaheim and not Ottawa and took the money and clearly was not invested in being his best, doing it right in Ottawa or even doing things like working out.

Anyways, ADB if he stays and signs will be just like Ryan, an overpaid and underachieving soft winger who doesn’t omay Defence and Is supposed to be a top 3 forward but plays most night like a 3d liner and some nights like a top 6.

Anyways, best to anvoid extending this guy. Haven’t been impressed with his play and he never comes up big, just overall really not impressed, not an impact player just a scorer

Not at all the same imo.

The Sens are a fun team to be a part of today. Much closer to being choosers than being beggars. Young and chalked full of talent, heading in the right direction with all of the core under contract. And they could even be in the mainstream spotlight soon if Reynolds gets involved.

Bobby Ryan knew he had the Sens bent over a barrel in negotiations, and the stink of our desperation could be smelt from a mile away. We needed his name brand so much more than he needed us was the truth. Whereas DeBrincat and the Sens are both trying to figure out if there's even room left for him on a crowded team full of stars.

Even if DeBrincat won't resign, which I believe is not true and that he will, this is a minor setback at worst for us imo. And it will say a lot about DeBrincat if he's passing up a chance to win someday and sell himself to the highest bidder (which won't be a contender).

But I love him and I still believe that a duo of him + Stu and then Norris + Brady on the other line is the ultimate solution to pushing this team over the top. And I do think he takes a slight discount from the open market for a chance at winning here.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Some people simply believe that

1. Debrincat is not worth 8M

2. He doesn’t really fit the team identity

3. Our goaltending needs to upgraded.

4. We don’t have sufficient depth up front to be competitive and his money could be better allocate.

You can disagree but neither is wrong it’s just different beliefs on how to build a team.

Agreed completely. Last year I was a significant advocate for getting DeBrincat but the situation and dynamics of our team has changed completely.

We didn't know how Giroux was going to produce. Stutzle was still just a 55 point guy who transitioned to C midway through the season etc.

Now, Stutzle is a proven 90+ point prolific C without DeBrincat.
Giroux looks to be good for 60+ for another 2-3 years.
Tkachuk took a step forward offensively and looks to be a number 1 LW on a cup contender.

DeBrincat is a luxury, not a necessity, even if he reverts back to a 40 goal guy. His play style, his cost, and our needs point to us going a different direction.

Now, this doesn't mean we get rid of ADB and call it a day. We must properly and effectively use those resources(assets/money) to shore up the goaltending, and bring in another solid middle 6 who will produce top 6 production + possible upgrade on defense. If we cannot achieve that, we might as well keep ADB instead of regress. Next year we must make playoffs. No doubt about it.

 

[Micklebot]

Doesn’t win battles, plays on the perimeter

Hmm, I see a guy who takes hits to make the play, throws the occasional big hit himself, and blocks a surprisingly high amount of shots for a guy who doesn't PK, and is willing to drop the gloves.

When I think soft I look to guys that avoid contact, DeBrincat doesn't really do that.

 

[GCK]

Hmm, I see a guy who takes hits to make the play, throws the occasional big hit himself, and blocks a surprisingly high amount of shots for a guy who doesn't PK, and is willing to drop the gloves.

When I think soft I look to guys that avoid contact, DeBrincat doesn't really do that.

https://www.icydata.hockey/players/3684/-1/new-heat-map.png

This explains my thoughts on soft

 

[God Says No]

Hmm, I see a guy who takes hits to make the play, throws the occasional big hit himself, and blocks a surprisingly high amount of shots for a guy who doesn't PK, and is willing to drop the gloves.

When I think soft I look to guys that avoid contact, DeBrincat doesn't really do that.

Agreed. I don't see him as soft. He regularly engages in battles and wins his fair share for such a small guy. That's actually the thing that stood out for me when I saw him play consistently with our team as to how much he battles and is engaged. I would not call DBC soft at all.

 

[Micklebot]

https://www.icydata.hockey/players/3684/-1/new-heat-map.png

This explains my thoughts on soft

Is this guy soft?

 

[GCK]

Is this guy soft?
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I don’t like that shot heat map but depending on the other facets of his game I may consider him soft.

I’m curious who is it.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

I am so torn with this situation. Even if he hypothetically wanted to extend, what’s better? A 35-40 goal scorer, or to use that space to build up the 3rd line and get a true #1 goalie, while allowing us to keep Sanderson, Chabot, and Chychrun

 

[Micklebot]

I don’t like that shot heat map but depending on the other facets of his game I may consider him soft.

I’m curious who is it.

Ovechkin

 

[senswon]

I am so torn with this situation. Even if he hypothetically wanted to extend, what’s better? A 35-40 goal scorer, or to use that space to build up the 3rd line and get a true #1 goalie, while allowing us to keep Sanderson, Chabot, and Chychrun

I feel like the only prospects we have left are slated as 3rd liners.
Seems like an opportunity to have an elc on the team beyond the 4th line

 

[GCK]

Ovechkin

Interesting. He’s definitely not the hard player he used to be but I wouldn’t call him soft.

 

[Norris4Norris]

I heard that ADB didn’t want to negotiate in season. No, can’t provide the link

That would be awesome. I like him. I think he will only get better as he matures in the NHL.

 

[FlameChampion]

Entire Sens locker room “I want to be here, this place is special, I want to win here”

Debrincat “I’m going to sit down, I’m going to look out the window, I’m going to stare into the mirror, I’m going to look my agent in the eye, I’m going to look my wife in the eye, I’m going to look my dog in the eye”

He’s not staying. He’s been a distraction all year. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

If this is true, then I would just move him and bring in assets to shore up the team.

In a Canadian market, I think it’s especially important to have players that want to be on the team.

I think if Ottawa can improve their goaltending and depth, they aren’t that far away.

 

[Cosmix]

Not at all the same imo.

The Sens are a fun team to be a part of today. Much closer to being choosers than being beggars. Young and chalked full of talent, heading in the right direction with all of the core under contract. And they could even be in the mainstream spotlight soon if Reynolds gets involved.

Bobby Ryan knew he had the Sens bent over a barrel in negotiations, and the stink of our desperation could be smelt from a mile away. We needed his name brand so much more than he needed us was the truth. Whereas DeBrincat and the Sens are both trying to figure out if there's even room left for him on a crowded team full of stars.

Even if DeBrincat won't resign, which I believe is not true and that he will, this is a minor setback at worst for us imo. And it will say a lot about DeBrincat if he's passing up a chance to win someday and sell himself to the highest bidder (which won't be a contender).

But I love him and I still believe that a duo of him + Stu and then Norris + Brady on the other line is the ultimate solution to pushing this team over the top. And I do think he takes a slight discount from the open market for a chance at winning here.

If he takes $8M AAV over 7 or 8 years, I would see that as acceptable and in line with the team's top players.

It's not easy or cheap to acquire a top Goaltender or a top D'man. So, keep what we have.

I see no negativity in Debrincat's comments and they make sense. His wife's views need to be considered. Hopefully he will sign here. There has been no indication he wants to leave. He could be signed soon and everyone would be surprised, similar to the Stutzle signing.

 

[Loach]

The Debrincat desicion is easy. We win the lottery, draft Fantilli, trade Debrincat for depth/picks/prospects in a hockey trade with Philly getting Deslaurier in the package. Play Fantilli as the 3rd line center and move Pinto to the wing on the second line. f*** up the league as Forsberg and Soogard win the Jennings. Easy peezy. Let's go f***ers!

 

[Micklebot]

I heard that ADB didn’t want to negotiate in season. No, can’t provide the link

Ian Mendes reported that after the trade, couldn't find a direct link but there are a bunch of sites talking about it, maybe it was a radio hit

Alex DeBrincat not interested in signing a contract extension with the Senators now

The Ottawa Senators acquired Alex DeBrincat from the Chicago Blackhawks at the NHL Draft. The deal sent multiple draft picks

www.bladeofsteel.com

 

[OD99]

Last year I was a significant advocate for getting DeBrincat but the situation and dynamics of our team has changed completely.

Now, this doesn't mean we get rid of ADB and call it a day. We must properly and effectively use those resources(assets/money) to shore up the goaltending, and bring in another solid middle 6 who will produce top 6 production + possible upgrade on defense. If we cannot achieve that, we might as well keep ADB instead of regress. Next year we must make playoffs. No doubt about it.

In general I just find it hard to say we need to move one of the most prolific scorers this team has ever had (based on his career to date) and pass that off as a luxury.

We need as many game breakers as possible and ideally we find other ways to shore up the 4th line internally. I think 3rd line gets taken care of with Greig/Pinto (Formy?)

The goalie question is extremely difficult as who is available? Who are we sinking money in to and what sort of assets do we need to give up?

We all agree the cap crunch is here so getting rid of more futures doesn't bode well for filling the gaps with ELCs in a few years.

 

[senswon]

 

[SlapJack]

Interesting. He’s definitely not the hard player he used to be but I wouldn’t call him soft.

DeBrincat's heat map is similar to just about every shooter in the NHL...and a bunch more. You can't pull out a fancy graph in a vacuum and declare it to be evidence.

 

[BondraTime]

I think, same as I said prior to the DBC trade even happening, whoever signs him to a big UFA deal will regret it short thereafter.

Last year before the trade, people were telling me he was a 10 million dollar guy

 

[GCK]

DeBrincat's heat map is similar to just about every shooter in the NHL...and a bunch more. You can't pull out a fancy graph in a vacuum and declare it to be evidence.

If you honestly look at his play how many times did you see him between and below the circles.

 

[God Says No]

If you honestly look at his play how many times did you see him between and below the circles.

A lot.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think, same as I said prior to the DBC trade even happening, whoever signs him to a big UFA deal will regret it short thereafter.

Last year before the trade, people were telling me he was a 10 million dollar guy

I don't think so. I think the right team could reap huge benefits from it. Even 9 longterm. It won't be a bargain, but it'll be worth his ability/production.

He is a 40 goal 70+ proven phenom who can reach a newer height of consistency. It will require a team more offensively explosive, though. Not our fit of a team. Actually, it could be our team, but with 3-4 other notable goalscorers in the top 6 already, he isn't as significant a need.