I actually like Tatar at 4M x 2 years over Tarasenko at 5M.
I wouldn't give Tatar more than 1 year and Tarasenko more than 2.
I wouldn't give Tatar more than 1 year and Tarasenko more than 2.
You forgot about the Ottawa/Dorion tax.
Aside from the term, he slotted in right where I expected him too. we would likely have been offering a 10 team NTC as that's our MO, and I suspect we offered 8 yrs.LOL this guy got 4 years, no signing bonus money, a 16-team NTC (not even a NMC) and less than $8M AAV. Holy Christ I've never been so wrong about estimating a player's contract value, maybe ever.
You had him at under $8M AAV from age 26-30? By comparison, Timo Meier's age 26-30 earnings are $10M, $12M, $11.1M and $10.75M.Aside from the term, he slotted in right where I expected him too. we would likely have been offering a 10 team NTC as that's our MO, and I suspect we offered 8 yrs.
Next contract will be at 29, young enough that he can still command a big pay day, but old enough that it will probably backfire on the team that signs it... Not a bad compromise on his part, great deal for Detroit imo.
Win for Yzerman on this one. Very surprised he could grind the DeBrincat camp down to that. They really must have wanted out and they really must have wanted Detroit. I am also surprised DeBrincat didn't bet on himself for a year but the young family may and the stability may have been a big factorYou had him at under $8M AAV from age 26-30? By comparison, Timo Meier's age 26-30 earnings are $10M, $12M, $11.1M and $10.75M.
Debrincat total: $31.5M or $7.875M AAV
Meier total: $43.85M or $10.96M AAV
Debrincat took himself to the woodshed on this one. Absolutely ridiculous contract to sign. Almost all the player comps for age 26-30 seasons with his relative level of production are higher.
That's because he wanted to go to one place though.LOL this guy got 4 years, no signing bonus money, a 16-team NTC (not even a NMC) and less than $8M AAV. Holy Christ I've never been so wrong about estimating a player's contract value, maybe ever.
Meh, I'm not convinced that Debrincat at $7.8M is a win. Is he really a 1st line winger on a contending team? To me he's a good 2nd line winger who plays on your PP. I could be wrong, but I think we dodged a albatross on this one, and I think that other GM's saw it that way too, hence blah return and lower that expected contract to DBC.Win for Yzerman on this one. Very surprised he could grind the DeBrincat camp down to that. They really must have wanted out and they really must have wanted Detroit. I am also surprised DeBrincat didn't bet on himself for a year but the young family may and the stability may have been a big factor
I think this year with the cap set to go up next year was a factor. We saw a lot of players move for less.Meh, I'm not convinced that Debrincat at $7.8M is a win. Is he really a 1st line winger on a contending team? To me he's a good 2nd line winger who plays on your PP. I could be wrong, but I think we dodged a albatross on this one, and I think that other GM's saw it that way too, hence blah return and lower that expected contract to DBC.
"Aside from the term"You had him at under $8M AAV from age 26-30? By comparison, Timo Meier's age 26-30 earnings are $10M, $12M, $11.1M and $10.75M.
Debrincat total: $31.5M or $7.875M AAV
Meier total: $43.85M or $10.96M AAV
Debrincat took himself to the woodshed on this one. Absolutely ridiculous contract to sign. Almost all the player comps for age 26-30 seasons with his relative level of production are higher.
Well, you use those later years to drive down the AAV. If you don't get term, the compensation is usually much higher AAV, no?"Aside from the term"
I had him getting a contract similar to Fiala for term and AAV. A 7 year deal would have brought him to 31, I don't see adding 29-31 year old seasons bringing down the AAV much if at all.
Bonus money is a bit surprising though I don't think he'd have gotten any from us either
What I'm saying is 29-31 are still considered prime years, so they aren't going to bring the AAV down much, and regression or the player is at least partially offset by the caps expected increase. It's after that that things tend to drop off quickly.Well, you use those later years to drive down the AAV. If you don't get term, the compensation is usually much higher AAV, no?
Because Fiala was a better player in their Launch years and when you factor in linemates and opportunity for other years, the argument becomes even stronger. Looks like the market agreed with me too.Also, why is Fiala his comp? Guy has 1 x 30G season in his career, compared to a guy with 3 (could have been 4 even with slightly less than his career sh% this year) and 2 of them at 40G.
This is similar to the Stone situation. There was a quote in the Athletic recently in an article about the Stone trade where an NHL exec said "I heard he only wanted to sign in Vegas" In this case it seems DeBrincat only wanted to sign in Detroit. What does it matter what other GMs will give up for him if he won't sign? It's a rental situation. On Yzerman's end, seems like he just ground him down. Take it or play elsewhere.That's because he wanted to go to one place though.
I've personally never seen such indifference from the league when it comes to a top tiered player. Like...no team in the West could offer a solid 2nd liner and a 1st for his services in the hopes of actually getting farther in the playoffs? Maybe no team has cap space, but GMs sure spend money on crap players on July 1, so that doesn't really check out.
DBC wanted to be moved and no one but one team wanted him, sucks SO hard for us, but w/e
This is similar to the Stone situation. There was a quote in the Athletic recently in an article about the Stone trade where an NHL exec said "I heard he only wanted to sign in Vegas" In this case it seems DeBrincat only wanted to sign in Detroit. What does it matter what other GMs will give up for him if he won't sign? It's a rental situation. On Yzerman's end, seems like he just ground him down. Take it or play elsewhere.
I think this will become a template for future situations where a guy wants to play only for X. Makes me wonder if McPhee could have ground Stone down to an 8 AAV. When it's public knowledge a player only wants to play in city X, the player loses all negotiating leverage