Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[BondraTime]

Isnt there two windows for teams to elect for arbitration, one after the finals, another in July. Believe Calgary did it with Matthew last off season. I don’t see it going that route, whatever the solution is it either happens at or before the draft which would be before the QO deadline.

Yes, but that could only happen if DBC doesn’t sign his 9 million dollar QO. When he’s qualified, I can’t imagine he doesn’t sign it if he doesn’t have a long term deal already agreed too.

Tkachuk wasn’t signing his QO, coming off a 40g 100+ point season, he was going to get a massive contract from someone else. Not sure DBC has the same contractual outlook.

 

[Ouroboros]

When arbitration is filed it takes away the option for the player to accept their QO which is why the Flames did it with Tkachuk last year.

It buys you about ~6 weeks to come to some sort of resolution, either trade or extension.

 

[Korpse]

Yes, but that could only happen if DBC doesn’t sign his 9 million dollar QO. When he’s qualified, I can’t imagine he doesn’t sign it if he doesn’t have a long term deal already agreed too.

Tkachuk wasn’t signing his QO, coming off a 40g 100+ point season, he was going to get a massive contract from someone else. Not sure DBC has the same contractual outlook.

For sure. Deadline to sign QO is after the second arbitration window though. QO was being used just as a threat with Tkachuk, flames countered it with electing for arbitration to buy more time.

I don’t see it as anything more than a tool for leverage. Debrincat will be looking for a long term deal whether it’s Ottawa or elsewhere, don’t think he will be eager to sign a one year contract. Ottawa will looking be to avoid a one year contract too.

 

[Micklebot]

Yes, but that could only happen if DBC doesn’t sign his 9 million dollar QO. When he’s qualified, I can’t imagine he doesn’t sign it if he doesn’t have a long term deal already agreed too.

Tkachuk wasn’t signing his QO, coming off a 40g 100+ point season, he was going to get a massive contract from someone else. Not sure DBC has the same contractual outlook.

Decision to do Club elected arbitration is made prior (June 15th) to when the qualifying offers (June 25th) are made

 

[GCK]

Tkachuk was taken to arbitration to protect against offer sheet. If the team opts for arb with Debrincat it allows them about 6 weeks to get a long term deal done or move him.

 

[BondraTime]

Decision to do Club elected arbitration is made prior (June 15th) to when the qualifying offers (June 25th) are made

Can also file in July if he doesn’t sign his QO, like the Flames did last year in mid July with Tkachuk.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Panic!!!

 

[ottawah]

Bloody hell that scares me lol

Signing Cat past $8 million per year is going to be our version of Toronto blowing their load for Tavares

Well QO is just one year. The big killer for the Taveras contract was covid. Salary cap went up 5% over 5 years, whereas the team may have calculated an easy 20% raise in the salary cap. If they had 12M more in cap space to work with, that deal would not seem so bad.

With the cap going up, 8M for a player of Debrincats caliber is just not going to be out of line by next summer. The expected salary cap bump next summer is likely in the 7% range, meaning 8M next summer is the same as 7.4M today. I tend ot prefer to look at the percentage of cap room they take up, which does diminish with time (usually).

He is in a good position. Minimum 7.65 arbitration award and UFA likely 8M+ season after. Or get a 9M QO and UFA likely 8M+ season after.

So signing him long term for under 7.5 seems unlikely unless he really really loves it here.

 

[bert]

Great news if you were curious about where 9m in cap space would be going. Forget about balance or a top 9.

Should be fired for this. Why on earth would he sign a long term extension when the only leverage dorion had is now gone.

 

[bert]

If they don’t qualify him, he becomes a UFA on July 1. It’s just a formality that allows teams to retain rights of a RFA beyond July 1.

There should only be 2 options. A long term extension or a trade to a team he is willing to extend to. Walking him to UFA should not be on the table. But now that Debrincat knows why on earth would he consider an extension. Dorion has no forsite and lacks basic intelligence. This team needs new GM now.

 

[GCK]

Should be fired for this. Why on earth would he sign a long term extension when the only leverage dorion had is now gone.

In defence of Dorion he had to say that whether he intends to sign him, trade him or take him to arbitration. If he does give him his QO he screws the team, it is just not an option.

There should only be 2 options. A long term extension or a trade to a team he is willing to extend to. Walking him to UFA should not be on the table. But now that Debrincat knows why on earth would he consider an extension. Dorion has no forsite and lacks basic intelligence. This team needs new GM now.

I pray that once the winning bidder with a binding offer is announced later this month that Alfie is involved because that means Dorion can’t just make these terrible decisions.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Right, so he should announce to the world that he won't qualify him, that should do wonders for his trade value...

Oh back to what Dorion said are we. Yah.. maybe no comment would work vs announcing anything to the world. Did I say or infer or lead you to believe Dorion should have said something other than what he did?

 

[Larionov]

There should only be 2 options. A long term extension or a trade to a team he is willing to extend to. Walking him to UFA should not be on the table. But now that Debrincat knows why on earth would he consider an extension. Dorion has no forsite and lacks basic intelligence. This team needs new GM now.

I got dragged on Sens Reddit for saying exactly this. People don't get it - as soon as he signs his QO, he is as good as gone. Why would he sign an extension at that point when he can go explore free agency and pick his landing spot? Dorion is a fool - his only leverage to have DeBrincat sign a long term deal in the next two months is to trade him to a place he doesn't want to be. Now, Dorion has told the whole world that a trade is off the table. Why would you negotiate against yourself in public like that, and limit your options?

Let me put this another way - if DeBrincat won't sign an extension with us in the next two months, then what would motivate him to sign a similar offer from us next February? The answer is nothing. He either signs now, or he's gone. There should be zero talk of a qualifying offer - either the player wants to stay here and is willing to negotiate a long term deal, or he doesn't, in which case you trade him before the draft and try to get yourself a first and a blue chip prospect. Dealing with a Stone 2.0 scenario through the season next year will be a massive distraction. Dorion is a good scout, but a lousy GM and an even worse poker player.

 

[aragorn]

I still think PD signs DBC long term, it's coming fast so we'll find out over the summer.

 

[Korpse]

There should only be 2 options. A long term extension or a trade to a team he is willing to extend to. Walking him to UFA should not be on the table. But now that Debrincat knows why on earth would he consider an extension. Dorion has no forsite and lacks basic intelligence. This team needs new GM now.

I completely disagree that Debrincat will be eager to sign a one year contract. This is a nothing burger. Debrincat’s camp will be looking to get a long term deal, whether that’s in Ottawa or elsewhere. QO’s are pretty much just a formality, especially for a player of Debrincat’s value. I’d be surprised if there isn’t a resolution by the time QO’s are in.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I completely disagree that Debrincat will be eager to sign a one year contract. This is a nothing burger. Debrincat’s camp will be looking to get a long term deal, whether that’s in Ottawa or elsewhere. QO’s are pretty much just a formality, especially for a player of Debrincat’s value. I’d be surprised if there isn’t a resolution by the time QO’s are in.

What would that resolution look like. Possibilities are arbitration, an extension , a trade or both. Any other possible resolutions by the time QO's are in?

Team elected arbitration would drop likely drop the price of the 9m QO but it would be for 1 year.

IMO the team should be looking at the options that do not walk him to UFA. If they are at those options it means the team could not sign him at the price they are looking for. At that point the the most favorable option is a trade. The arbitration route would provide them with more time to make that trade without committing to 9m for a year.

 

[Tragedy]

I got dragged on Sens Reddit for saying exactly this. People don't get it - as soon as he signs his QO, he is as good as gone. Why would he sign an extension at that point when he can go explore free agency and pick his landing spot? Dorion is a fool - his only leverage to have DeBrincat sign a long term deal in the next two months is to trade him to a place he doesn't want to be. Now, Dorion has told the whole world that a trade is off the table. Why would you negotiate against yourself in public like that, and limit your options?

Let me put this another way - if DeBrincat won't sign an extension with us in the next two months, then what would motivate him to sign a similar offer from us next February? The answer is nothing. He either signs now, or he's gone. There should be zero talk of a qualifying offer - either the player wants to stay here and is willing to negotiate a long term deal, or he doesn't, in which case you trade him before the draft and try to get yourself a first and a blue chip prospect. Dealing with a Stone 2.0 scenario through the season next year will be a massive distraction. Dorion is a good scout, but a lousy GM and an even worse poker player.

What leverage is threatening to trade him? If we're worried about DeBrincat just playing out his QO and hitting UFA he could do the exact same thing in whatever city Dorion threatens to trade him to.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What leverage is threatening to trade him? If we're worried about DeBrincat just playing out his QO and hitting UFA he could do the exact same thing in whatever city Dorion threatens to trade him to.

Not necessarily.. the agent could be given permission to talk to other teams for a possible extension ;

 

[Larionov]

What leverage is threatening to trade him? If we're worried about DeBrincat just playing out his QO and hitting UFA he could do the exact same thing in whatever city Dorion threatens to trade him to.

True, but another team, namely an American based team, could feel as if they could sign him. How long did it take Stone to do a deal with Vegas - 45 minutes?

Here's the thing - I am far from convinced that DeBrincat wants to stay here long term. I have nothing to base that on but a hunch, and a reading of his statements to the media. Keep in mind that he is American, and the record of Canadian teams in keeping American UFAs is mixed. We kept one Tkachuk, while the other didn't want to extend with a Canadian team. Never once has DeBrincat said that he loves the city, and would love to stay here long term if it works out - all we have ever gotten was the, "...just want to focus on the season, my agent will work that out later". He did, however, talk about the border, the weather - in other words, the things that free agents don't like about playing in Canada.

Now, I freely admit that I may be suffering PTSD from Stone and Duchene. If DeBrincat does end up signing here long term, I will happily eat my words and admit that I got it wrong. Right now, though, I just have this nagging feeling that this is a guy who wants to explore free agency, ideally back south of the border. If that's the case, we need to find out now, and deal him at the draft to recoup what we paid. (That shouldn't be too hard - Chicago panicked and sold low, IMO.) Going into next season with this guy on a one year deal and being a UFA to be is both a distraction and a huge risk. (If he suffers a season ending injury before the trade deadline, for instance, we get Tavares-ed.)

 

[Tragedy]

True, but another team, namely an American based team, could feel as if they could sign him. How long did it take Stone to do a deal with Vegas - 45 minutes?

Here's the thing - I am far from convinced that DeBrincat wants to stay here long term. I have nothing to base that on but a hunch, and a reading of his statements to the media. Keep in mind that he is American, and the record of Canadian teams in keeping American UFAs is mixed. We kept one Tkachuk, while the other didn't want to extend with a Canadian team. Never once has DeBrincat said that he loves the city, and would love to stay here long term if it works out - all we have ever gotten was the, "...just want to focus on the season, my agent will work that out later". He did, however, talk about the border, the weather - in other words, the things that free agents don't like about playing in Canada.

Now, I freely admit that I may be suffering PTSD from Stone and Duchene. If DeBrincat does end up signing here long term, I will happily eat my words and admit that I got it wrong. Right now, though, I just have this nagging feeling that this is a guy who wants to explore free agency, ideally back south of the border. If that's the case, we need to find out now, and deal him at the draft to recoup what we paid. (That shouldn't be too hard - Chicago panicked and sold low, IMO.) Going into next season with this guy on a one year deal and being a UFA to be is both a distraction and a huge risk. (If he suffers a season ending injury before the trade deadline, for instance, we get Tavares-ed.)

Eh, not too worried about it. We're basically the USNTDP with Tkachuk, Norris, Sanderson, Pinto and now Kleven. We'll see what happens with his contract but I can't imagine he goes into the season on his QO regardless of what Dorion says in the media.

 

[Rodzilla]

I dont know I feel like he likes it here. Basing this strictly on body language and smiles w the guys.

We’ll see but I feel like he loves it. I, personally wouldnt give him more than Brady, so that’s where it may be goodbye

 

[Larionov]

I dont know I feel like he likes it here. Basing this strictly on body language and smiles w the guys.

We’ll see but I feel like he loves it. I, personally wouldnt give him more than Brady, so that’s where it may be goodbye

100 percent - his AAV can't exceed that of Brady or Stutzle. That also serves as a useful brake on his salary overall - no way am I giving DeBrincat 9 million AAV. This is why I think we should be able to cut to the chase pretty quickly here - put an 8x8 on the table and see if his camp is interested. If so, get it done. If they balk, drag their feet, etc., then you know he's not signing here and it's time to move on...

 

[Micklebot]

I got dragged on Sens Reddit for saying exactly this. People don't get it - as soon as he signs his QO, he is as good as gone. Why would he sign an extension at that point when he can go explore free agency and pick his landing spot? Dorion is a fool - his only leverage to have DeBrincat sign a long term deal in the next two months is to trade him to a place he doesn't want to be. Now, Dorion has told the whole world that a trade is off the table. Why would you negotiate against yourself in public like that, and limit your options?

Let me put this another way - if DeBrincat won't sign an extension with us in the next two months, then what would motivate him to sign a similar offer from us next February? The answer is nothing. He either signs now, or he's gone. There should be zero talk of a qualifying offer - either the player wants to stay here and is willing to negotiate a long term deal, or he doesn't, in which case you trade him before the draft and try to get yourself a first and a blue chip prospect. Dealing with a Stone 2.0 scenario through the season next year will be a massive distraction. Dorion is a good scout, but a lousy GM and an even worse poker player.

The QO talk is just to let the world know we will retain his rights so that we aren't bound to a deadline of 1jul to get him traded. It's a nothing burger, he will either get signed, get traded, or be Qualified/brought to arbitration (more likely the latter if Dorion is smart) and then traded.

 

[bert]

I completely disagree that Debrincat will be eager to sign a one year contract. This is a nothing burger. Debrincat’s camp will be looking to get a long term deal, whether that’s in Ottawa or elsewhere. QO’s are pretty much just a formality, especially for a player of Debrincat’s value. I’d be surprised if there isn’t a resolution by the time QO’s are in.

He gets a 9 million dollar pay day then walks to UFA at 26 while the cap is projected to go up. How does anyone not want that. Gotta use some common sense man. It sucks but that's the reality. There was a reason he signed the previous contract and it was structured that way. To get to this exact point. Same reason Chicago dealt him.

The QO talk is just to let the world know we will retain his rights so that we aren't bound to a deadline of 1jul to get him traded. It's a nothing burger, he will either get signed, get traded, or be Qualified/brought to arbitration (more likely the latter if Dorion is smart) and then traded.

If he is qualified he just signs the one year deal and walks to UFA....

 

[Ice-Tray]

We’re not going to offer his QO and just ride into the season.

No need to freak out, it’s just not going to happen.