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Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

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SpezDispenser said:
We were buying rfa years from stutzle though.

But yes, he's nowhere near as good as stu.
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Dorion’s got a Bobby Ryan style dilemma here, massive assets paid for a player who isn’t doing what you expected and now he’s up for a big money contract and you have guaranteed your team is in grow mode. And like Ryan who played Ottawa off the Philly market - Ottawa fans unsure if ADB is happy here so they extra want him because they want our city to be a destination - so the price goes up

Ryan’s contract was a huge mistake, hopefully they avoid the same narrow thinking and don’t give ADB a massive contract he’ll never be able to fulfill
 
Tuna99 said:
Dorion’s got a Bobby Ryan style dilemma here, massive assets paid for a player who isn’t doing what you expected and now he’s up for a big money contract and you have guaranteed your team is in grow mode. And like Ryan who played Ottawa off the Philly market - Ottawa fans unsure if ADB is happy here so they extra want him because they want our city to be a destination - so the price goes up

Ryan’s contract was a huge mistake, hopefully they avoid the same narrow thinking and don’t give ADB a massive contract he’ll never be able to fulfill
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Dbc is nothing like ryan though. It's really not comparable player wise.

I also don't think Dorion is under pressure on this one. It sucks, but if they don't feel he fits, they'll move him and make another move and it'll be buried under the mountain of good feelings with Reynolds being co owner.

It's up to management now as to how they feel about the player and the player to take a discount to be here.
 
Micklebot said:
I don't think we move out Joseph, not that I'm against it but I just feel like Dorion won't be ready to give up on him yet

I'm also hopeful they bring the cap up a touch higher than the 83.5 number, I just can't see them not coming to an agreement to smooth out the rise, we should be fine to sign DeBrincat,
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You could be right. Who knows what will happen? I certainly do not.

You're probably just commenting (so, no worries), but I just generate these spreadsheets as a "what if" exercise. This is just another of many iterations I've generated and I'm not really trying to push any projected lineups.

It's not hard to generate these spreadsheets and it can be done pretty quickly. If anything, I just find conversations about the numbers & projected lineups odd if there's no presentation of the actual numbers. That just seems odd to me, but that's just me I guess. It's a general comment not directed at anyone specifically.
 
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SpezDispenser said:
Dbc is nothing like ryan though. It's really not comparable player wise.

I also don't think Dorion is under pressure on this one. It sucks, but if they don't feel he fits, they'll move him and make another move and it'll be buried under the mountain of good feelings with Reynolds being co owner.

It's up to management now as to how they feel about the player and the player to take a discount to be here.
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ADB is better then Ryan for sure, but both are soft scoring wingers who don’t drive a line - so they are finishers who are always frustrating when they don’t score but I see them as very similar. Being paid way to much money for what they bring and just not bringing it
And the fanbase is in a similar spot - many saying we need to sign him and many just not impressed, a divisive players
 
I wonder if Seattle is willing to do Bjorkstrand and Geekie for Debrincat. Gives them a definite upgrade over Bjorkstrand, and they have the winger depth to swallow losing Geekie.
 
I think Dorion gets a deal done with DBC as he has done with a number of other guys on the team that people thought would not re-sign here. They are a much better team with him & there really isn't anyone else in the org who can step in to replace him & put up 60 plus pts. He makes our 5 on 5 better, he makes our PP one of the best in the NHL, he drives play & he's a tough little guy (like Pageau) with a high level of skill, they don't grow on trees. They also have a number of good prospects that can fill in the bottom six who hopefully can add much more offence than the guys they have now there. They are getting better ....
 
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We'll sign him for 8-8.5x8 and call it a day. Just gotta wait for new ownership.

You guys are overthinking this one.
 
Tuna99 said:
ADB is better then Ryan for sure, but both are soft scoring wingers who don’t drive a line - so they are finishers who are always frustrating when they don’t score but I see them as very similar. Being paid way to much money for what they bring and just not bringing it
And the fanbase is in a similar spot - many saying we need to sign him and many just not impressed, a divisive players
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I don't see DBC as soft personally. I kind of see him as 1 dimensional, but that's a dimension we'll need when everything is clicking. He was driving the line for a while, but then cooled off big time and everyone suffered. He'll need to settle in and find more consistency.
 
SpezDispenser said:
I don't see DBC as soft personally. I kind of see him as 1 dimensional, but that's a dimension we'll need when everything is clicking. He was driving the line for a while, but then cooled off big time and everyone suffered. He'll need to settle in and find more consistency.
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Give him a centre and watch him cook. Pinto has 13 assists this season.
 
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JungleBeat said:
Just because Ryan was 6’2 and lazy /slow doesn’t mean he was a power forward. Probably one the the weakest guys on the ice tbh.

Also, Ryan was expected to score and not be invisible for all his years in Ottawa. Not just shield the puck which he was awful at. Thankfully the Bobby Ryan years in Ottawa are done. Debrincat doesn’t seem to be a distraction in the locker room as well unlike BR9
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Well he was always labeled as an power forward, and historically guys labeled as such were never really fast. I can't be too judgemental about his performance given what is known now about the off ice issues/struggles. It does suck as he did show flashes here and there why he was picked 2nd overall.

I would choose 3 other guys from those teams and label them as distractions before I would label BR9 as that.
 
SpezDispenser said:
I don't see DBC as soft personally. I kind of see him as 1 dimensional, but that's a dimension we'll need when everything is clicking. He was driving the line for a while, but then cooled off big time and everyone suffered. He'll need to settle in and find more consistency.
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Maybe we can agree he’s a good player but at the wrong time - for sure need more finishing for the Cup and maybe a deadline add but Ottawa clearly needed help on D and to have better road efforts from more ability to match up and ADB doesn’t do that.

Good player, seems like he cares but how good does your PP need to be when you’re not in the playoffs?. Would rather see a Dman at $6.5 million Making our 5 on 5 play better.
 
DBC isn’t a one dimensional player. He can carry the puck, he’s fast and shifty, has good hands, he can pressure on the forecheck, he makes plays, he battles, and he can score.

Where exactly is this 6.5 million dollar D playing? Third pairing? That’s a massive waste of money for a team that already has an excellent top 4 group of defenders, along with another solid group of bottom pairing guys and prospects in Branny, Hammer, Kleven, JBD, Tompson. We absolutely don’t need to waste another big contract in a bottom pairing defender, save that money for Sandy shortly.

I‘m surprised that some people still think we need help on D, we’re actually pretty set on D, just a matter of what guy we want playing with Branny.

The only potential hole this roster has is in net, and that’s a maybe.
 
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Tuna99 said:
Maybe we can agree he’s a good player but at the wrong time - for sure need more finishing for the Cup and maybe a deadline add but Ottawa clearly needed help on D and to have better road efforts from more ability to match up and ADB doesn’t do that.

Good player, seems like he cares but how good does your PP need to be when you’re not in the playoffs?. Would rather see a Dman at $6.5 million Making our 5 on 5 play better.
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We just added a $6.5m caliber Dman.

Our 5 on 5 needs more scoring right now. We can't afford to lose DeBrincat.
 
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swiftwin said:
We just added a $6.5m caliber Dman.

Our 5 on 5 needs more scoring right now. We can't afford to lose DeBrincat.
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I was gonna say that that 6.5 mill is eventually going directly to Sanderson.

It looks like they want to try Chabby and Chych, so Sandy and Zub to round out the top 4 is pretty top notch in my opinion. We don’t have room for yet another 6.5 million dollar guy.
 
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I just want to say I would like him signed for a proper amount of $, but also to add the following: I can't wait for this team to be financially stable enough so that I can stop caring about how much we are spending on each player and just start focusing and enjoying the games. I really hope the new owners will bring us there fast.
 
Union2017 said:
I just want to say I would like him signed for a proper amount of $, but also to add the following: I can't wait for this team to be financially stable enough so that I can stop caring about how much we are spending on each player and just start focusing and enjoying the games. I really hope the new owners will bring us there fast.
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We are already past that, this isn't about financial stability, it is about the cap hit and how that all fits. the difference between 6, 7, and 8+ million is what our bottom six looks like. the question is what does Debrincat deserve for his role and does that cost hurt us too much to make it worth it?
 
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Tuna99 said:
Maybe we can agree he’s a good player but at the wrong time - for sure need more finishing for the Cup and maybe a deadline add but Ottawa clearly needed help on D and to have better road efforts from more ability to match up and ADB doesn’t do that.

Good player, seems like he cares but how good does your PP need to be when you’re not in the playoffs?. Would rather see a Dman at $6.5 million Making our 5 on 5 play better.
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The team has 4 legit top 4 defenseman. That should be enough. If it isn't, they either have the wrong pieces or the wrong coach.

Debrincat is a wonderful luxury, and he's showing how dangerous he can be now. The team needs to lock him up long term. Solidify that top 6, and when they need to worry about the cap in a couple years they can decide what to do then.
 
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BondraTime said:
Boldy isn't a comparable whatsoever, near the exact opposite. He signed his deal with less than 80 games under his belt, still on his ELC.

That's what happens on ELC deals, you pay for the future, not what he is now.

With DBC, you're paying what he is now. Will a team in UFA possibly fork over 8 million? Maybe, but I don't think he's valued around the league like he is on here.

If we are paying 8 million for DBC, we will likely regret it soon thereafter with the roster construction as is.

Fiala is the closest comparable, at 7.8, and is without a doubt the better player.
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Bo Horvat just got 8.5, Barzal 9.15
 
BondraTime said:
Taken into account, neither would be brought forward as comparables by agent or team in an arbitration hearing.

Both 2 way centers
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Neither have 40 goal seasons either, there are numerous examples in the last year or 2. Your choice to acknowledge that or not.
 
I think Norris would be a good comparable for our team if he wants to stay. All the deals are new enough to be within the same time frame, and Norris seems the best scoring and points comparison. Either way, he can’t make more than Stu or Brady, so if he’s willing to come in a around Norris’s deal then we should be good to go in my opinion.

I think it’s a great idea to get all these guys paid comparably to each other, or if someone wants to chase max dollars, trade them away. Havingbthis much star power locked up for around 8 each is going to pay dividends in the quality of depth we can afford to add, and that’s how we become cup contenders.
 
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