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Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

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Ice-Tray said:
If you don’t accept that good young players can have down seasons, then you end up giving up on them too early and lose out.

I think DBC is a great player and we shouldn’t be looking to trade away the good players we have.

Makes me shudder seeing trade proposals for quantity over quality all of a sudden. Or people wanting to get more draft picks.

Glad we have pros at the helm while we shoot the shit in here, because we lack typically lack a cohesive vision, patience, and are tremendously reactive and short sighted.

Scary to run a team like that.
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You mean like say Bobby Ryan for example?
Are we still paying for him? I don’t recall.
As I said, personally I could go either way on this but to believe this isn’t a difficult decision is silly.
It’s a gamble…if he doesn’t return to 40 goal form everything we’ve built is in jeopardy.
There would be simply no room to “fix” other areas of the roster, and we will be giving up a young roster player along the way to make it all work.
Im glad you are supremely confident though, what is the max you would be ok with paying him?
 
The worse he does the more likely it is that he just takes the 9M QO and gambles on a return to form.

Would be a disaster for us and our ability to get a decent return for him.

Hopefully he has a good finish to the year and restores some confidence in the minds of other teams GMs that he's still a top line forward.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
The worse he does the more likely it is that he just takes the 9M QO and gambles on a return to form.

Would be a disaster for us and our ability to get a decent return for him.

Hopefully he has a good finish to the year and restores some confidence in the minds of other teams GMs that he's still a top line forward.
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If he takes the qualifier then we play him until the deadline, if he hasn’t signed by then we retain half his salary, and trade him. Period. No matter how well he is playing or no matter where we are in the playoff race.
I mean we simply cannot afford to lose him for nothing.
 
Wondercarrot said:
If he takes the qualifier then we play him until the deadline, if he hasn’t signed by then we retain half his salary, and trade him. Period. No matter how well he is playing or no matter where we are in the playoff race.
I mean we simply cannot afford to lose him for nothing.
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If you arent resigning him then you file for arbitration, chances are good he will get less then 9 from that. That being said hopefully we arent in a selling position next year so its either trade him in the off season or not at all.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
The worse he does the more likely it is that he just takes the 9M QO and gambles on a return to form.

Would be a disaster for us and our ability to get a decent return for him.

Hopefully he has a good finish to the year and restores some confidence in the minds of other teams GMs that he's still a top line forward.
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I am of the opposite view as I don't think the options have to be QO or 8 years.

He could sign for $7.5 for years let's say and make bank while setting himself up for a final FA singing extravaganza if he gets back to his scoring ways.

I really hope GMPD explores that option as it doesn't preclude us from signing him again later (he will be more settled here, the team will presumably be on the upswing and making the playoffs, etc...).

Very, very tough situation to navigate.
 
Hale The Villain said:
The worse he does the more likely it is that he just takes the 9M QO and gambles on a return to form.

Would be a disaster for us and our ability to get a decent return for him.

Hopefully he has a good finish to the year and restores some confidence in the minds of other teams GMs that he's still a top line forward.
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This cant really be an option for the sens. Find a team he wants to be on and trade him then.
 
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Wondercarrot said:
If he takes the qualifier then we play him until the deadline, if he hasn’t signed by then we retain half his salary, and trade him. Period. No matter how well he is playing or no matter where we are in the playoff race.
I mean we simply cannot afford to lose him for nothing.
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Losing him for nothing is probably better than committing monster dollars over 8 years. But it's definitely the second worst outcome.

No reason it should ever come to that.
 
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OD99 said:
Haha. You can see how much smaller Cat is as Jimmy is leaning over.

Gauthier is a beast! He makes Tim look like a munchkin.

Also, look at the reach Mads has. His left arm is around Greig and is right is around Brady. What a wingspan!
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That picture makes Gauthier look enormous...
 
Mingus Dew said:
Losing him for nothing is probably better than committing monster dollars over 8 years. But it's definitely the second worst outcome.

No reason it should ever come to that.
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The worst outcome is trading him for players who are just about done their peak and then committing to them long term for big money. That's the Matthew Tkachuk strategy executed by Calgary.

Assen na yo!
 
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Comely said:
If you arent resigning him then you file for arbitration, chances are good he will get less then 9 from that. That being said hopefully we arent in a selling position next year so its either trade him in the off season or not at all.
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I believe you can only file for arbitration if he turns down his QO. I just see no way he does not turn down the QO knowing this is likely the Sens strategy. Even if thats wrong, the arbitration cannot be less than 7.65M, still decently hefty.
 
bert said:
This cant really be an option for the sens. Find a team he wants to be on and trade him then.
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And get what for him? Its the same dilemma for another team. He definitely had less value than 12 months previous, which netted a 7th overall.

Likely best trade value, at least before trade deadline, is letting him talk to other teams, agree to a deal then trade him pre draft (or during).
 
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While the value probably favours us, I don't see this as an unfair trade overall:

Debrincat for Bjorkstrand, 1st rounder, and some prospect. Seattle absolutely has the ability to take on an additional 3mill to 3.5mill contract for a winger that even in his awful down year is producing better than Bjorkstrand. Bjorkstrand will fit on our 2nd line well and that 1st round pick can grab us a nice D or even forward prospect in this deep draft.
 
Hale The Villain said:
The worse he does the more likely it is that he just takes the 9M QO and gambles on a return to form.

Would be a disaster for us and our ability to get a decent return for him.

Hopefully he has a good finish to the year and restores some confidence in the minds of other teams GMs that he's still a top line forward.
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let’s keep in mind what Ottawa gave up, to acquire DeBrincat, three draft picks, including the No. 7 overall in the last draft (defenseman Kevin Korchinski), the No. 39 pick in this year's draft and Ottawa's third-round selection in 2024.

If PD decides to move on from DeBrincat, for whatever the reason may be, three picks (1st,2nd & 3rd) may not be such a high bar to reach.…. vs the constraints a QO or a long term deal might be.
 
I’m in between in keeping him. He doesn’t take games over which is something you would expect a player in the mid 8s+ to do at least 5-10 times a season. You can’t have a lot of bad games either at that salary.

I also think we will see a better Debrincat next season now that he had adjusted to playing here. For me it’s sign a 8x8 if he wants more or signs his QO you have to trade him right away .

Debrincat also needs to understand and I am sure his agent has educated him that there are not a lot of teams ready to pay 8x8 for a winger
 
I know it has been a very unpopular opinion but Cat wasn't the move we needed. Don't get me wrong, I also was initially excited to add a big name for "just picks". I started to become disillusioned early in the season when I saw how much more dangerous Caufield was.

Since the Chicago game, he has 1 goal, 1 assist in 9 games and is -10. Down the stretch, when we needed him the most.

I have seen a lot of fans this season suggesting that we'll have to pay him 9.0 AAV but sincerely that would be quite dramatic and could really interfere with our potential ability to compete.

Batherson makes 4.975 AAV, DBC is not better

And IMO he is nowhere near Stutzle, Tkachuk and an healthy Norris.

It's starting to look like we won't get much value back in a trade if that's the avenue we take (and maybe we should), well unless he's ready to sign around 7.0 AAV then some teams might be interested. But at 8.0+ AAV? Can't see a team doing that mistake in the current cap crunch

Bjorkstrand + Paul + Brown >>>> DeBrincat + Motte + Joseph

We would have had a much more balanced forward group and we would have had our 7th OA pick in 2021, which I would have gladly paid to get Chychrun earlier
 
Tnuoc Alucard said:
let’s keep in mind what Ottawa gave up, to acquire DeBrincat, three draft picks, including the No. 7 overall in the last draft (defenseman Kevin Korchinski), the No. 39 pick in this year's draft and Ottawa's third-round selection in 2024.

If PD decides to move on from DeBrincat, for whatever the reason may be, three picks (1st,2nd & 3rd) may not be such a high bar to reach.…. vs the constraints a QO or a long term deal might be.
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A 1st, 2nd and 3rd might not be a high bar to reach in a return for DeBrincat this summer, but all 1sts aren't valued equally.

There's a massive difference in value between a 7th overall pick and a mid or late 1st.

It's likely if we trade DeBrincat we won't get anywhere close to what we gave up to get him, but that's sunk cost at this point.
 
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