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Ice-Tray said:
I agree, but if we remove the unlikely signing of Chychrun we have breathing space in that scenario. We’d also have to give up some of those young players to get him, and we’ve looking at big salary bumps for both him and Sanderson soon. He also hasn’t been great in the right side.

I maintain that we don’t need that type of player, at that price, to with Sandy on the second pairing.

I’m not sure Soogard will be ready either so Talbot might be needed still.

Nice list to look at, thanks. It would be nice if it could float from page to page so that we didn’t have search for it.
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Chychrun was put in there because people talk about him a lot. if somebody makes a post or a suggestion, then sometimes I'll include it in another iteration. Your right, a trade for Chychrun would require a lot of assets from our side.

To me, probably the main objective is to try different permutations and see what they cost (total cost). If you want another defender, just let me know. I'll run another iteration. I've found its hard to find a RD that would be both good and inexpensive. I think I ran another iteration with Roy as well, but can't remember because I've created a lot of iterations.

Sogaard was another suggestion made by another poster, so I threw him in there. Not sure if the Senators would do this or be comfortable with him either, but when you put Debrincat and Zub in with their salaries, you have to start finding ways of saving money in other slots.

I know what you mean about trying to keep the spreadsheet handy for discussion. I'm hesitant to keep posting it because the spreadsheet makes it a long post.
 
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Lmfao did everyone else notice when 5'8 170lbs DeBrincat absolutely hammered 6'3 235lbs Ben Chiarot onto his ass along boards today??? I sure did 🤣

Sign this player immediately. He's our 2nd best offensive player next to Stutzle. And the Senators have enough offense to be a true contender with him in the core imo.
 
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He set 2 Sens records today
1. 6 straight assists
2. 2 goals and 6 assists 8pts in 3 games (I think that is what it was)

and he's now 2nd in Sens scoring 30 points in 30 games
 
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UglyPuckling said:
Chychrun was put in there because people talk about him a lot. if somebody makes a post or a suggestion, then sometimes I'll include it in another iteration. Your right, a trade for Chychrun would require a lot of assets from our side.

To me, probably the main objection is to try different permutations and see what they cost (total cost). If you want another defender, just let me know. I'll run another iteration. I've found its hard to find a RD that would be both good and inexpensive. I think I ran another iteration with Roy as well, but can't remember because I've created a lot of iterations.

Sogaard was another suggestion made by another poster, so I threw him in there. Not sure if the Senators would do this or be comfortable with him either, but when you put Debrincat and Zub in with their salaries, you have to start finding ways of saving money in other slots.

I know what you mean about trying to keep the spreadsheet handy for discussion. I'm hesitant to keep posting it because the spreadsheet makes it a long post.
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I meant more like mod sticky kind of thing but I don’t think we have the capability.

I wonder whether JBD can be the guy for next season to pair with Sanderson. It’s a possibility, and to be honest if we are looking at a one year crunch, we don’t need to do anything drastic. I don’t think shuffling the deck again would lead to a better season, and I think this team needs some consistency on the roster now, at least in the key positions.

I think with Zub and DBC signed, and a year of good chemistry, we’re looking pretty good.

I would prioritize brining back Talbot over Chychrun right now as I think we need the stability in net, and I don’t think Soogard is ready.

I would like to see JBD slot in again this season to get a better look, and either Tompson or a smaller reup on Hamonic to play on the bottom pair with Branstrom.

I want Watty or Reeves to play 4th line as we still need that physicality, but Kelly and Motte have been coming on as well, and guys like Grieg and Ostapchuk may get a look. Crookshank and Boucher could also see some time.

Sadly I’m not sold on Sokolov or Jarventie quite as much at the moment, though I’d have to see them up on the big squad to see if improvements have been made. Either way we have some ELCs and vet minimums to slot into the bottom 6.

Pinto can wait until the roster situation is clearer to make a call on a bridge or long term. He’s a keeper obviously.
 
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Ice-Tray said:
I meant more like mod sticky kind of thing but I don’t think we have the capability.

I wonder whether JBD can be the guy for next season to pair with Sanderson. It’s a possibility, and to be honest if we are looking at a one year crunch, we don’t need to do anything drastic. I don’t think shuffling the deck again would lead to a better season, and I think this team needs some consistency on the roster now, at least in the key positions.

I think with Zub and DBC signed, and a year of good chemistry, we’re looking pretty good.

I would prioritize brining back Talbot over Chychrun right now as I think we need the stability in net, and I don’t think Soogard is ready.

I would like to see JBD slot in again this season to get a better look, and either Tompson or a smaller reup on Hamonic to play on the bottom pair with Branstrom.

I want Watty or Reeves to play 4th line as we still need that physicality, but Kelly and Motte have been coming on as well, and guys like Grieg and Ostapchuk may get a look. Crookshank and Boucher could also see some time.

Sadly I’m not sold on Sokolov or Jarventie quite as much at the moment, though I’d have to see them up on the big squad to see if improvements have been made. Either way we have some ELCs and vet minimums to slot into the bottom 6.

Pinto can wait until the roster situation is clearer to make a call on a bridge or long term. He’s a keeper obviously.
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I think next year we see Sanderson and Zub as the shut down pair and we need JBD to be a reliable partner that makes simple plays to partner with Chabot
 
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Ice-Tray said:
I wonder whether JBD can be the guy for next season to pair with Sanderson.

I think with Zub and DBC signed, and a year of good chemistry, we’re looking pretty good.

I would prioritize brining back Talbot over Chychrun right now

I want Watty or Reeves to play 4th line as we still need that physicality

Pinto can wait until the roster situation is clearer to make a call on a bridge or long term.
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So subtract Chychrun's $4.6 M and Sogaard $925k = - $5.525 m

But add Talbot (assumes current salary) $3,666,667.

That's a delta (subtraction) of $1,858,333. So, just take $1,858,333 off the total in the previous spreadsheet. Again, assumes Talbot at same salary.

I already had the salaries for JBD, Thomson & Pinto (on a bridge) in the previous spreadsheet.

JBD? IDK. In the 1st few games he played, I liked what I saw. In the next few games, not as much. He's played just 19 NHL games. He would be an inexpensive option for sure.

Your running back the same defense except that JBD is full time. Might be weak, but that's the sacrifice if you give the money to Debrincat, Zub & Talbot I suppose.

As far as any 3rd or 4th line, I think all of the slots were sub $900k. Reeves is $1.75 m, so I stayed away from spending that kind of $s except for Pinto. I put Pinto on a bridge to also keep costs down.
 
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UglyPuckling said:
So subtract Chychrun's $4.6 M and Sogaard $925k = - $5.525 m

But add Talbot (assumes current salary) $3,666,667.

That's a delta (subtraction) of $1,858,333. So, just take $1,858,333 off the total in the previous spreadsheet. Again, assumes Talbot at same salary.

I already had the salaries for JBD, Thomson & Pinto (on a bridge) in the previous spreadsheet.

JBD? IDK. In the 1st few games he played, I liked what I saw. In the next few games, not as much. He's played just 19 NHL games. He would be an inexpensive option for sure.

Your running back the same defense except that JBD is full time. Might be weak, but that's the sacrifice if you give the money to Debrincat, Zub & Talbot I suppose.

As far as any 3rd or 4th line, I think all of the slots were sub $900k. Reeves is $1.75 m, so I stayed away from spending that kind of $s except for Pinto. I put Pinto on a bridge to also keep costs down.
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I like the look of that, as I don’t see D being as big of an issue to be honest. If JBD can be the guy he was to start the season that’s a good complimentary partner, which is all I think we need at the moment. Further, if we have to pinch somewhere for a season until dead money starts coming off the books I’d rather do that than sacrifice a star winger who fits the team and window.
 
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Big Muddy said:
He might not. But GM Bill Armstrong could decide to hang on to Chychrun if that were the case.

As I mentioned, Chychrun has been on the market for about a year and Armstrong hasn't moved him. So, that doesn't seem like a GM who is desperate to get the player moved at all costs.
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I suspect Armstrong is asking for too much and no other team will pay anything near his asking price.
 
UglyPuckling said:
So subtract Chychrun's $4.6 M and Sogaard $925k = - $5.525 m

But add Talbot (assumes current salary) $3,666,667.

That's a delta (subtraction) of $1,858,333. So, just take $1,858,333 off the total in the previous spreadsheet. Again, assumes Talbot at same salary.

I already had the salaries for JBD, Thomson & Pinto (on a bridge) in the previous spreadsheet.

JBD? IDK. In the 1st few games he played, I liked what I saw. In the next few games, not as much. He's played just 19 NHL games. He would be an inexpensive option for sure.

Your running back the same defense except that JBD is full time. Might be weak, but that's the sacrifice if you give the money to Debrincat, Zub & Talbot I suppose.

As far as any 3rd or 4th line, I think all of the slots were sub $900k. Reeves is $1.75 m, so I stayed away from spending that kind of $s except for Pinto. I put Pinto on a bridge to also keep costs down.
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Reaves might accept less than 1.750 for 2023-24.
 
Cosmix said:
I suspect Armstrong is asking for too much and no other team will pay anything near his asking price.
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He's taking a risk by letting this play out closer to the deadline. If he holds beyond that then he's truly stupid.
 
Ice-Tray said:
I agree, but if we remove the unlikely signing of Chychrun we have breathing space in that scenario. We’d also have to give up some of those young players to get him, and we’ve looking at big salary bumps for both him and Sanderson soon. He also hasn’t been great in the right side.

I maintain that we don’t need that type of player, at that price, to with Sandy on the second pairing.

I’m not sure Soogard will be ready either so Talbot might be needed still.

Nice list to look at, thanks. It would be nice if it could float from page to page so that we didn’t have search for it.
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I agree Talbot is still likely needed in goal.

And I also agree that Chychrun is an LD whereas we need an RD.

Holden should be gone next season as his contract expires.

We likely will have to trade Zaitsev with some draft picks or prospects we do not need to get his salary off the books.

Hamonic could be signed for the 3rd pair if he would accept a salary cut to the $1M level; however he would probably get more elsewhere.
 
UglyPuckling said:
Chychrun was put in there because people talk about him a lot. if somebody makes a post or a suggestion, then sometimes I'll include it in another iteration. Your right, a trade for Chychrun would require a lot of assets from our side.

To me, probably the main objection is to try different permutations and see what they cost (total cost). If you want another defender, just let me know. I'll run another iteration. I've found its hard to find a RD that would be both good and inexpensive. I think I ran another iteration with Roy as well, but can't remember because I've created a lot of iterations.

Sogaard was another suggestion made by another poster, so I threw him in there. Not sure if the Senators would do this or be comfortable with him either, but when you put Debrincat and Zub in with their salaries, you have to start finding ways of saving money in other slots.

I know what you mean about trying to keep the spreadsheet handy for discussion. I'm hesitant to keep posting it because the spreadsheet makes it a long post.
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Maybe you could get a thread with spreadsheet in, would mods stickie it.
 
Golden_Jet said:
The problem with Reaves is his skating, and wouldn’t ba PKer, but he’s a deterrent,
Just wonder when Rangers got him for a reason, then let him go
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I don't know the NYR reasoning but I do like Reaves as a 4th line policeman and energy physical player. He could be useful as winger on a higher line if other teams start to target our smaller skilled players similar to how Edmonton deployed Semenko and McSorely. Our team is pretty soft compared to some prior versions in Murray's era with guys like McGrattan, Carkner, Neil, Smith, etc.
 
Anyone else get major Alfie vibes?

puck carrying, short stocky, two way goal scoring playmakers, describes both to a tee.
 
To me he plays like I remember Hossa. Great stick work in the neutral zone. Superior entries into the offensive zone. Elite endurance and hustle.

Throw all the monies at him. We can bridge Pinto. We have good depth and prospects. The cap will rise. You can’t replace a player like DeBrincat.
 
not a lot of 5 vs 5 points. Lots of power play points. 60% of his points have been on the PO… someone had to bring this up.
 
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