Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

Bileur

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Who's angry? I said some Red Wings fans are over the top with the valuing of their prospects. You can see many of these posts in the general trade thread on HF. For example, there was one proposed trade that had Berggren, Kubalik(UFA) and 2nd for Debrincat that was thrown out immediately.

Probably a one off but I read someone today say Kasper was tracking to be somewhere between Kesler and Couturier.

I like Kasper too, and wouldn’t move him for Cat if I were Detroit, but having one of these 75 point Selke winners as his downside is pretty optimistic.
 
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2CHAINZ

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Who's angry? I said some Red Wings fans are over the top with the valuing of their prospects. You can see many of these posts in the general trade thread on HF. For example, there was one proposed trade that had Berggren, Kubalik(UFA) and 2nd for Debrincat that was thrown out immediately.
I don't actually mean you are angry at home, punching air, because of sh*t you read on the internet. You said you hope DeBrincat doesn't go to Detroit because of their delusional fans. So I like the wings fans in here would like to know what wings fans said about their prospects that made you hope they don't get DeBrincat.
 

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I don't actually mean you are angry at home, punching air, because of sh*t you read on the internet. You said you hope DeBrincat doesn't go to Detroit because of their delusional fans. So I like the wings fans in here would like to know what wings fans said about their prospects that made you hope they don't get DeBrincat.
Just what I said, I guess I was generalizing for all wings fans abit but I still would be happy not trading a 40 goal scorer to a division rival if possible. There are likely better offers on the table.
 
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UglyPuckling

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Really tight. 12F its doable.. What does a Murray buy out save on the Cap?
Clearest path is to move him.. might have to take some lumps on the trade

Murray buyout saves us 1.3 next year
Here's a 22-player roster fwiw. Its just barely under the cap at $83,386,880.

Debrincat has been replaced by a $4.95 m forward. It doesn't include a Murray buy-out.

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Icelevel

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Probably a one off but I read someone today say Kasper was tracking to be somewhere between Kesler and Couturier.

I like Kasper too, and wouldn’t move him for Cat if I were Detroit, but having one of these 75 point Selke winners as his downside is pretty optimistic.
We won't ever have Dats and Zetts again, but we could have "Marchand-Bergeron" in Kasper&Danielson.
 
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2CHAINZ

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Just what I said, I guess I was generalizing for all wings fans abit but I still would be happy not trading a 40 goal scorer to a division rival if possible. There are likely better offers on the table.
If he's not going to sign here, we are going to have to trade him either now or later, but yeah, I'd like the best possible return and don't care where it comes from.
 

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Who cares what wings fans think of their prospects, Pierre Dorion is negotiating with Steve Yzerman. Some of the Sens fans takes are just as delusional.

And neither GM is sitting there right now sweating buckets because Detroit NEEDS DeBrincat or Ottawa is under SO much pressure to get rid of him. Something will get done and there are probably agreements in place wherever with a contingency on DeBrincat's contract.

If Pierre didn't get a good return, he'll take shit for it, he's going to take shit regardless because fans are never universally happy. But I don't really care personally, he took a risk and DeBrincat decided not to want to stay. Oh well, shit happens
"Oh well, shit happens" is the Sens motto!
 

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That $2.95M Joseph contract looks terrible. Hope Pinto isn't too offended with his $1.6 deal in the short run.
Well, if the Senators want to have more money to spend on other players, Joseph could be moved. I won't get into the cost. I'm just sticking with the numbers. I just run these spreadsheets to show what's possible and what could be done. Other spreadsheet iterations can be generated very quickly.

They can explain to Pinto what they are doing and why they are doing it if they were to give him a one-year, 10.2.c. type contract. In this case, Pinto would be waiting one year longer to get paid. Of course, I'm not sure how he'd react.
 
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Yzerman is under no pressure. Individual moves get questioned, but he's still a hero to fans and the organisation, and has still got more right than wrong as Red Wings GM. Pierre is trying to still have a job in a few months. He's under immense pressure to try to not make the trade for DBC last year look like a disaster, surely?
Agree to disagree.

I think Stevie Y, who I like personally, needs to justify what exactly he is doing. I see drafted studs in Seider and Raymond. Everyone else is a question mark on where they ultimately land. Further he’s made some pretty bad UFA signings.

Detroit isn’t exactly number one on the free agent location. Better than Ottawa no doubt. But not at the top of the list.

So you have another year of rebuilding or push for a playoff spot. I don’t see the team this year being grittier or much better. And that D isn’t good at all. No offence.

So I think Stevie is under pressure. He could push for a spot.

Let’s say he doesn’t do the cat. Saying he will sign him for free next year. What if Seattle or Columbus offer more? What if they are so good cat gets money he wants and term. What if Stevie doesn’t offer him money and no deal?

Dorion can ship him and be judged at the end of the year. Or keep him and be judged at the end of the year. Either way he isn’t judged on cat. But on playoffs.

I see Stevie under pressure tbh. We can all deny it. But I don’t see it. I’m not sure where this rhetoric even comes from. It seems non-sens fans think there is. Most sens fans are more than okay with a shit return or a rental return. Simply bc they want the cap space.

Yet leaf fans and wings fans think he’s under pressure. I mean… okay? Lol but I live in ottawa. I live and breath the sens. I’m on Twitter and HF. And I’m assuring all involved, Pierre is not under pressure on return, simply to not take back cap.
 

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Dorion can ship him and be judged at the end of the year.
Hard to say what becomes of Dorion as that is up to Andlauer and I'm not inside his head or anything. But you seem to be suggesting or perhaps you are confident that Dorion will remain as GM until the end of the year. I'd have to wonder what the odds of that happening are? I'm not sure it's high enough to be confident of that outcome though. If the Senators are not clearly in a playoff spot by American Thanksgiving, I'd bet the odds are below 50% of him keeping his job until the end of the year.
 
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Hard to say what becomes of Dorion as that is up to Andlauer and I'm not inside his head or anything. But you seem to be suggesting or perhaps you are confident that Dorion will remain as GM until the end of the year. I'd have to wonder what the odds of that happening are? I'm not sure it's high enough to be confident of that outcome though. If the Senators are not clearly in a playoff spot by American Thanksgiving, I'd bet the odds are below 50% of him keeping his job until the end of the year.
I’m guessing he is GM until at least the trade deadline unless they have another brutal start. If he is gonna be fired it’ll be after we are eliminated from playoff contention. Theory.
 

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Detroit’s prospects are fantastic.

Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielson would all be Ottawas top prospects pretty easily (not a huggge fan of Danielson where he was picked, but great prospect). All should be very good core pieces, which are extremely valuable.

The guys like Berggren and Kubalik, definitely overrated in my opinion. Nice middle 9 lineup filler, not much more, definitely not core guys.
 
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Loach

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Agree to disagree.

I think Stevie Y, who I like personally, needs to justify what exactly he is doing. I see drafted studs in Seider and Raymond. Everyone else is a question mark on where they ultimately land. Further he’s made some pretty bad UFA signings.

Detroit isn’t exactly number one on the free agent location. Better than Ottawa no doubt. But not at the top of the list.

So you have another year of rebuilding or push for a playoff spot. I don’t see the team this year being grittier or much better. And that D isn’t good at all. No offence.

So I think Stevie is under pressure. He could push for a spot.

Let’s say he doesn’t do the cat. Saying he will sign him for free next year. What if Seattle or Columbus offer more? What if they are so good cat gets money he wants and term. What if Stevie doesn’t offer him money and no deal?

Dorion can ship him and be judged at the end of the year. Or keep him and be judged at the end of the year. Either way he isn’t judged on cat. But on playoffs.

I see Stevie under pressure tbh. We can all deny it. But I don’t see it. I’m not sure where this rhetoric even comes from. It seems non-sens fans think there is. Most sens fans are more than okay with a shit return or a rental return. Simply bc they want the cap space.

Yet leaf fans and wings fans think he’s under pressure. I mean… okay? Lol but I live in ottawa. I live and breath the sens. I’m on Twitter and HF. And I’m assuring all involved, Pierre is not under pressure on return, simply to not take back cap.
Dorion has already been judged. Lol.
 
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Detroit’s prospects are fantastic.

Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielson would all be Ottawas top prospects pretty easily (not a huggge fan of Danielson where he was picked, but great prospect). All should be very good core pieces, which are extremely valuable.

The guys like Berggren and Kibalik, definitely overated on my opinion. Nice middle 9 lineup filler, not much more, definitely not core guys.
Outside of Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielson and maybe Cossa, the rest of the stock are looking like a bunch of middling players, top 6-9F or 4D at best, every team has quite a few of them in their system or in their roster already and they're also readily available via trades and UFA signings. They don't have anything particularly special imo, even Kasper and Danielson are probably gonna end up somewhere between decent to very good 2nd line talents, I don't see them any more than that. They have no high end players outside of Seider, and no legit scorers either. Not impressed with the Yzerplan so far 5 years in, and I don't think their fanbase will either in 2-3 years once patience runs out with him. They're going into 8th year of no playoffs, and clearly have no plans to contend this season with all those terrible FA signings.
 
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BrawlFan

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Dorion has already been judged. Lol.
Right. And we all live in a world where the board would tell the new owner that they refuse to fire their precious dorion and DJ because why?

If the new owner wanted them gone they’d be gone. If he wanted to give them a bit of time he gave them a bit of time.

Side note: the ideal transition isn’t to fire dorion anyway. It’s to give the new GM time to familiarize with the prospects and players. So I don’t think dorion matters
 

Loach

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When Andlauer takes over, the boards job is done. They be gone. The new GM already knows the prospects and players. What do you think has been going on all this time? Get out of here. Lmao
 
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MarkStone

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Yzerman is under no pressure. Individual moves get questioned, but he's still a hero to fans and the organisation, and has still got more right than wrong as Red Wings GM. Pierre is trying to still have a job in a few months. He's under immense pressure to try to not make the trade for DBC last year look like a disaster, surely?
The trade for Debrincat last year led to the biggest free agent signing in our history, our #1 centre being locked up long term, and a top 4 D with term choosing the Sens as his preferred trade deadline destination. I still don’t see the trade as a disaster even where things currently stand, it was an important move from an organizational bigger picture perspective.
 
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