Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[5ive4Fighting]

Gotta happen tomorrow right? After dev camp.

The entire thing could still be weeks away. The internet has broken our brains and warped our basic sensibilities. Looking bleary-eyed at you, Twitter.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Gotta happen tomorrow right? After dev camp.

As per Martian we are in that 24-48 hour window.

low number of rumours broke out today which is typically a good sign.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

The entire thing could still be weeks away. The internet has broken our brains and warped our basic sensibilities. Looking bleary-eyed at you, Twitter.

Doubt it, all sides want it done ASAP.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not sure why he did that. DBC might have asked him to because he didn't like the narrative as it was being conveyed.

Where is this coming from?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

As per Martian we are in that 24-48 hour window.

low number of rumours broke out today which is typically a good sign.

I am hearing DBC is backtracking now. As soon as he heard Ottawa signed MacEwan, he decided to open further dialogue with PD

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

As per Martian we are in that 24-48 hour window.

low number of rumours broke out today which is typically a good sign.

Martian gets these messages coming to him in between hangovers.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Where is this coming from?

Agent gave an interview to Mendes and threw the team under the bus a bit.

 

[Xspyrit]

If we only get futures back in a DeBrincat trade and sign Tarasenko (the ultimate max we can give him is 5.5 AAV), this is what it'd look like :

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Tarasenko
Joseph - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwen

7 D-men and 2 goalies for a 21-men roster

I'd prefer a cheaper guy better defensively over Tarasenko (Tatar?) and move Joseph down to the 4th line (Berggren?)

I wonder how all the people who are like "I don't care what the return is, just get it over with already" are going to react when the trade finally does go down.

I'm not among those but going to react "ok good, we fixed another past mistake"

Do you think we should have been happy to spend 2nd + 3rd + 4th + 7th + money/cap to fix Murray and Zaitsev mistakes?

However, if Dorion can pull off something great for the short and long term with that ADB trade, he'd mark a lot of points in my books but reality is it might end up to be a Duchene-like return

If we trade debrincat&bran for kostin&kubalik I will lose my mind.

Luckily I can rest easy knowing that there is no 2nd round pick from us going to Detroit in that scenario so dorion won't allow it.

That would be an awful ROI, even more if we add Brannstrom as Aragorn suggested. I would not trade Brannstrom for either of them. Kubalik is UFA-to-be and while I like him, he doesn't have a complete game

"His underlyings are okay but his microstats are maybe the worst in the league - he creates rush shots and one-timers and almost literally nothing else"

Kostin is more interesting with his 2x2, size and a bit of untapped potential but IMO not worth either DeBrincat (not even close) or Brannstrom

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Agent gave an interview to Mendes and threw the team under the bus a bit.

Oh ok have to check it out .. thanks

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Martian gets these messages coming to him in between hangovers.

Is he posting too many positive messages?

Agent gave an interview to Mendes and threw the team under the bus a bit.

The whole team, eh?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Is he posting too many positive messages?


The whole team, eh?

 

[DaveMatthew]

After watching Jonatan Berggren highlights on YouTube... I'm now an expert on the player and would welcome him in the trade. Reminds me of a poor man's Giroux. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he puts up 20/50 next year if he's on this team.

Get him + Boston's 1st and use the pick as ammo for another acquisition.

 

[Big Muddy]

Ya but public statements about how you won’t work on a deal until after your traded seems like an unreasonable stance. Why publicly screw the Sens?
I don’t see the upside. It might damage future dealings with everyone you represent.

I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say, but wasn't it Dorion that said he was going to get offers and the pieces involved in the trade identified and make sure that its acceptable to him before he allows the team to talk to Debrincat's camp? So, Jackson is saying this because this is the way Dorion has set up the process, no? Maybe I'm missing something.

Isn't it the two GMs of the respective teams that do the work involved in a trade versus the agent? The agent wouldn't represent the trading teams best interests, and therefore the trading team's GM has to be heavily involved and a key stakeholder versus the player's agent. Is that not correct?

 

[Alex1234]

Debrincat + for Tom Wilson

Crush TO

Profit

 

[Big Muddy]

Debrincat + for Tom Wilson

Crush TO

Profit

The idea that Wilson is available was squashed by the Capitals.

 

[BrawlFan]

Maybe dorion isn’t the GM under pressure.

 

[HSF]

Maybe dorion isn’t the GM under pressure.

Pressure is definitly on ottawa

we aren't winning this deal

 

[BrawlFan]

Pressure is definitly on ottawa

we aren't winning this deal

The clip is 12 minutes. You responded in 2.

Watch the clip first.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Pressure is definitly on ottawa

we aren't winning this deal

Wings have some pressure on them as well.

Up front, they really only have 2 players who are, or project to be, point per game guys (Larkin and Raymond), and they've added enough middle-6 depth that they're probably not going to be bad enough to get more top 5 picks. They risk being stuck in that fuzzy middle, we're you're not making the playoffs but not getting top end picks (we have that same risk).

It's not the late 90's anymore so Detroit isn't exactly a destination for premier UFAs, either.

They need to add some dynamism and goal scoring up front, and that fanbase + ownership is getting as ancy as we are (they're going on 7 years now with no playoffs).

If they miss next year it'll be their longest no playoffs streak in their franchise history, since the mid-70's.

 

[HSF]

The clip is 12 minutes. You responded in 2.

Watch the clip first.

saw it. the reason they think its a slam dunk move is cause we won't get market value for a 40 goal scorer.

Its an easy win for Yzerman

Also Dorion can't keep him into next year and if Tarasenko is really he replacement then this gets done tomorrow probably as part of a friday news dump

 

[HSF]

Wings have some pressure on them as well.

Up front, they really only have 2 players who are, or project to be, point per game guys (Larkin and Raymond), and they've added enough middle-6 depth that they're probably not going to be bad enough to get more top 5 picks. They risk being stuck in that fuzzy middle, we're you're not making the playoffs but not getting top end picks (we have that same risk).

It's not the late 90's anymore so Detroit isn't exactly a destination for premier UFAs, either.

They need to add some dynamism and goal scoring up front, and that fanbase + ownership is getting as ancy as we are (they're going on 7 years now with no playoffs).

If they miss next year it'll be their longest no playoffs streak in their franchise history, since the mid-70's.

Sure wings have some pressure to improve but they have leverage over ottawa in this case. We are not getting market value for a 40 goal scorer even with DBC coming to contract terms with DET. This will be an easy W for Yzerman.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Sure wings have some pressure to improve but they have leverage over ottawa in this case. We are not getting market value for a 40 goal scorer even with DBC coming to contract terms with DET. This will be an easy W for Yzerman.

"Market value" is what the market will pay. And what's becoming clear is that with a contract ask rumored to be in the high $8M AAV range, Debrincat's value isn't as high as fans thought. It's true that he's a former 40 goal scorer. Which is great. But it's also true that he's a 5'7 winger who isn't fleet of foot, physical, or all that great defensively. Which isn't so great.

Will it be a W for Yzerman? We'll see. We won't know for a while.

If we end up moving him for Berggren and Boston's 1st, and we utilize the cap savings, we could win, even in the short term. What you rather have next year (hypothetically):

Tarasenko at 5.5M
Berggren at 925k
An extra 1st round pick

vs

Debrincat at 8.5M

Personally, I think Debrincat not wanting to sign here will save Dorion from himself. In 3 years we'll look back and be happy that that's how it turned out.

And that's not to say Detroit would "lose". He's a better fit there than here, IMO.

 

[HSF]

"Market value" is what the market will pay. And what's becoming clear is that with a contract ask rumored to be in the high $8M AAV range, Debrincat's value isn't as high as fans thought. It's true that he's a former 40 goal scorer. Which is great. But it's also true that he's a 5'7 winger who isn't fleet of foot, physical or all that great defensively. Which isn't so great.

Will it be a W for Yzerman? We'll see. We won't know for a while.

If we end up moving him for Berggren and Boston's 1st, and we utilize the cap savings, we could win even in the short term. What you rather have next year (hypothetically):

Tarasenko at 5.5M
Berggren at 925k
An extra 1st round pick

vs

Debrincat at 8.5M

Personally, I think Debrincat not wanting to sign here will save Dorion from himself. In 3 years we'll look back and be happy that that's how it turned out.

And that's not to say Detroit would "lose". He's a better fit there than here, IMO.

i rather have DBC the younger and by far the best player in that deal. For me the future pieces are not as important as competing now.

DBC at 8.5 won't be a big issue with the cap going up and being 25 long term is not a risk.

Not a big fan of Tarasenko in his current state. As a stop gap its fine but it is a downgrade

 

[DaveMatthew]

i rather have DBC the younger and by far the best player in that deal. For me the future pieces are not as important as competing now.

DBC at 8.5 won't be a big issue with the cap going up and being 25 long term is not a risk.

Not a big fan of Tarasenko in his current state. As a stop gap its fine but it is a downgrade

Even with the cap going up, Debrincat at 8.5 would be a problem considering we'll want to extend Sanderson and Chychrun.

There's a real possibility that by the end of next season, DBC would have been our 7th most important player behind Stützle, Tkachuk, Norris, Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun. I don't think a team should pay their 7th most important player $8.5M AAV. I certainly wouldn't want them to be the highest paid player on the team.

Also factor in that a lot of Debrincat's value comes from being the shooter on the PP. But we have Norris and Chychrun who both, arguable, have better shots and will be better in that role.

I like Debrincat and I thought the trade made sense at the time. But a year later, it doesn't make as much sense anymore. Things have changed and we'll be better off moving on.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If we end up moving him for Berggren and Boston's 1st, and we utilize the cap savings, we could win, even in the short term. What you rather have next year (hypothetically):

Tarasenko at 5.5M
Berggren at 925k
An extra 1st round pick

vs

Debrincat at 8.5M

Personally, I think Debrincat not wanting to sign here will save Dorion from himself. In 3 years we'll look back and be happy that that's how it turned out.

And that's not to say Detroit would "lose". He's a better fit there than here, IMO.

Tarasenko + Berggren in vs. DeBrincat is probably a wash for next season, but I worry about the term that we'd need to convince Tarasenko to sign in Ottawa over a contender like Carolina.

5.5M for a year would be great. 5.5M x 3YRs could backfire tremendously.

But Dorion has been throwing around term like a man who knows his days are probably numbered, so it wouldn't surprise me.