Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[stempniaksen]

DeBrincat has missed like a dozen games in his entire career an they were during shortened Covid seasons (so who knows if it was injury or illness in that case). Of all the guys to bet on themselves I blame him the least. If he can stay healthy and his shooting percentage rebounds there will be a line of teams waiting to give him $55+ million.

I understand why Dorion took the swing on a mega talented goal scorer but if/when it doesn't work out it's certainly not the player's fault.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ottawa is obviously not offering enough or else Debrincat could sign with an agreement that a trade will be done by next July 1st.

Sounds like his best offer and term was from Ottawa, I thought I read.

 

[DueDiligence]

I suppose we'll have to wait until Debrincat is traded (if he's traded). Then we can discuss the leverage that Pierre had. Hope for the best obviously.

You were talking about control and now leverage; 2 different things. PD can deal him anywhere this year but the problem is the return. But no different from the Leafs trying to sign Nylander or Matthews with 1 year left on their deals. The player can decide to not sign and then the team is faced with a choice to either pay them a boatload of money or let them walk( Matthews). With Nylander you have those 2 options or try to find a trade partner outside his limited NTC. In all cases the player holds the power.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

You were talking about control and now leverage; 2 different things.

OK, if your focus is the word, then sure. My focus was the net result. Substitute the word to leverage then. I really only care about the result.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

So tired of this same old carrying water routine from Garrioch. Looks bush league on the city, always drumming up undue enmity when a player exercises his rights that everyone knew he had. GM took a risk and it didn’t pay off, criticize that or stfu.

Really hope the Andlauer era ushers in a new media landscape here.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Ottawa is obviously not offering enough or else Debrincat could sign with an agreement that a trade will be done by next July 1st.

Or DBC signs the arb deal and gets to UFA next summer and makes even more money and has full control of where he ends up.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Aren’t insiders now saying both sides just want to get this over with asap? I don’t even think ADB wants to be here next year anymore.

 

[Micklebot]

DBC was 11th in the league in PP TOI/game last year. More than Kucherov, Draisaitl, McDavid, Crosby, Kaprizov

He was 31st in pp goals . 39 in PP assists

He had a great opportunity here to rack up points on the PP

The gap between 30th and 10th in pp pts is about 6 pts, DeBrincat did rack up pts on the PP, where he had issues was at 5v5. He was 35th in 5v5 toi and 129th in 5v5 pts (forwards only)

Are there better opportunities than what he got 5v5 here, playing with Pinto and a recovering Batherson, absolutely, heck this coming season should yeild a better opportunity if he sticks around.

 

[JackieDaytona]

This whole situation is super f***ed at this point. Just get rid of him. Low first or a couple 2nds, middling prospect, and most importantly, cap space to find a 5m 2lw and get the other holes in the lineup patched. Whatevs.

In my petty fandom, I hope cat has a repeat (or worse)season than last wherever he lands and struggles offensively/can’t cement a top line spot vs other options on the team. Then consequently finds himself with few suitors next year, forced to take a less than full term contract at a sub 8m aav.

At which point we will all post smug shit here all about how he shoulda signed and the greenness of Ottawas lush grass, and the likes will flow.

 

[Silencio]

Aren’t insiders now saying both sides just want to get this over with asap? I don’t even think ADB wants to be here next year anymore.

Well except for Steve Warne (the guy with the "source close to DeBrincat's family") who says he likes Ottawa just fine and would happily ride out another year here. He just likes the idea of being a UFA more.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Well except for Steve Warne (the guy with the "source close to DeBrincat's family") who says he likes Ottawa just fine and would happily ride out another year here. He just likes the idea of being a UFA more.

I’m sure he’d be fine, but if Ottawa was able to come up with a fair trade to Detroit or Nashville he’s probably signing right away without even thinking about UFA.

And arbitration brings the chance that he’d sign here long-term from about 2% to 0%.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

More drama. This is just unfortunate. Regardless of the role of the agent, I don't see how this isn't just another thing that reflects poorly on the organization. Hopefully it can be put to bed soon, just rip the bad aid off.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

More drama. This is just unfortunate. Regardless of the role of the agent, I don't see how this isn't just another thing that reflects poorly on the organization. Hopefully it can be put to bed soon, just rip the bad aid off.

If this is PD’s audition for our new owner, it is failing. So poorly handled, creating animosity by negotiating and throwing tar/feathers in the media. It’s so unprofessional, unless this really is BG going rogue (doubtful, but even then PD has made comments in media availabilities that suggest ADB’s camp is part of the holdup, which is disingenuous to the actual situation - ADB did nothing wrong and has not said any “wrong” things)


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If we keep him for next year, and it looks like we are making the playoffs and don’t want to trade them away, can we not just trade his rights to a preferred destination before July 1st for *something*? I remember another team doing that this year.

 

[BondraTime]

If this is PD’s audition for our new owner, it is failing. So poorly handled, creating animosity by negotiating and throwing tar/feathers in the media. It’s so unprofessional, unless this really is BG going rogue (doubtful, but even then PD has made comments in media availabilities that suggest ADB’s camp is part of the holdup, which is disingenuous to the actual situation - ADB did nothing wrong and has not said any “wrong” things)

If we keep him for next year, and it looks like we are making the playoffs and don’t want to trade them away, can we not just trade his rights to a preferred destination before July 1st for *something*? I remember another team doing that this year.

May get a 3rd like the Devils did with Severson

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If we keep him for next year, and it looks like we are making the playoffs and don’t want to trade them away, can we not just trade his rights to a preferred destination before July 1st for *something*? I remember another team doing that this year.

Even getting Joseph off the books doesn’t give us enough cap room to keep Debrincat for the year. Maybe a Murray buyout helps, but those are slim odds with a Joseph trade too.

It’s over, he’s not staying.

 

[GCK]

That makes no sense for DBC, just sign your QO/Arb award and go to UFA without having to deal with a trade, or rely on a team actually trading you. Especially with a new GM in town very shortly.

Don't think there has ever, or will ever, be an 8 year deal signed contingent on the team trading you away a year later, to an unknown location.

I just doubt the dollars will be there for him next year.

 

[Micklebot]

We backed ourselves into a corner, all the drama is on Dorion imo.

If you aren't willing to trade him at a rental return, you need to leave room in the budget to keep him on. We haven't done that so now we're panicking that he isn't getting the offers he's willing to extend at and we won't be cap compliant.

Somebody is leaking to the media he wants Meier money (who could possibly benefit from that leak?) and the agent is justifiably upset that someone is being unprofessional and throwing his client under the bus.

 

[NyQuil]

It’s over, he’s not staying.

If we're actually going to try and start off the season well for a change, having a distraction like ADB around camp and the first few months of the season doesn't help.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If this is PD’s audition for our new owner, it is failing. So poorly handled, creating animosity by negotiating and throwing tar/feathers in the media. It’s so unprofessional, unless this really is BG going rogue (doubtful, but even then PD has made comments in media availabilities that suggest ADB’s camp is part of the holdup, which is disingenuous to the actual situation - ADB did nothing wrong and has not said any “wrong” things)


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If we keep him for next year, and it looks like we are making the playoffs and don’t want to trade them away, can we not just trade his rights to a preferred destination before July 1st for *something*? I remember another team doing that this year.

Ya it's not a good look for Dorion and Co. imo. Garrioch is Garrioch. Nothing but a microphone willing to be unprofessional, but once again the org is involved in drama and using him to get it out there.

I thought this kind of thing was behind us and I don't see the need for any of this extra noise adding fuel to the fire. Just stfu and focus on moving him as a rental if need be. DeBrincat owes them nothing but playing out the one year.

Seems like the more of this stuff that happens, the more likely it is there's no path to bring him back. Not that I think that's wise anyways, but if keeping him really is on the table, you'd think they'd try to keep it cordial.

 

[BondraTime]

We backed ourselves into a corner, all the drama is on Dorion imo.

If you aren't willing to trade him at a rental return, you need to leave room in the budget to keep him on. We haven't done that so now we're panicking that he isn't getting the offers he's willing to extend at and we won't be cap compliant.

Somebody is leaking to the media he wants Meier money (who could possibly benefit from that leak?) and the agent is justifiably upset that someone is being unprofessional and throwing his client under the bus.

Nah, it's normal for a team to put a player and agent on blast for not agreeing to contracts other teams are "supposedly" giving him. Also normal for an agent to come back and say those reports are completely full of shit, and the GM needs to get his head out of his ass and do his job.

"It's DBC's agent and DBC's fault for this trade not being done. They need to take what they're given, that's the only way we can make a trade. Dorion has done everything he can (aside from just making a trade and coming to the realization that he painted himself into a corner, seeing there is no clauses stopping them). Don't care if it doesn't work for them, it's their fault this is being drawn out"

"Well, we had a deal in place with the Islanders, DBC foiled that, for SOME unknown reason, he needs to accept their deal, because it's really getting in the way of what I want to do."

 

[GCK]

So how about a 2 year deal with max signing bonus year 1 and full NMC year 2.

Year 1 - 8M SB + 1M base
Year 2 - 7M.

The real money comes into the system in 2 years.

 

[Sun God Nika]

If this is PD’s audition for our new owner, it is failing. So poorly handled, creating animosity by negotiating and throwing tar/feathers in the media. It’s so unprofessional, unless this really is BG going rogue (doubtful, but even then PD has made comments in media availabilities that suggest ADB’s camp is part of the holdup, which is disingenuous to the actual situation - ADB did nothing wrong and has not said any “wrong” things)


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If we keep him for next year, and it looks like we are making the playoffs and don’t want to trade them away, can we not just trade his rights to a preferred destination before July 1st for *something*? I remember another team doing that this year.

Technically the sens can still do a sign and trade by giving him the 8 year deal and getting an asset back. However it is very unlikely the sens have Debrincat play this season unless they are getting Joseph off the books without taking money back.

 

[BondraTime]

So how about a 2 year deal with max signing bonus year 1 and full NMC year 2.

Year 1 - 8M SB + 1M base
Year 2 - 7M.

The real money comes into the system in 2 years.

That would be a fine deal, for both he and the team.

Unfortunately, that boat has undoubtedly sailed with the roster, and shitshow going on between both parties

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

We’re not even cap compliant if we sign him anymore, the ship has definitely sailed

 

[BondraTime]

We’re not even cap compliant if we sign him anymore, the ship has definitely sailed

We sign him to his absolute minimum arb award, we'd have about 1.5 million for 4 forwards.