Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[coladin]

Is only 1 team is allowed to be in cap hell at a time or something? lol

No. Lol.

Just trying to add some perspective.

 

[KevinRedkey]

That $5m in dead cap space is killing us.

I hate that Dorion bought out MDZ. I knew it was going to be a problem this year. That's 0.750 that would come in handy right about now.

I wonder if we can PAY Toronto in the form of a pick to buyout Murray? lol

 

[Gil Gunderson]

No. Lol.

Just trying to add some perspective.

At least Toronto is a contender year-in and year-out. We’re in cap hell without a playoff appearance.

The buyouts and retention are so bad.

 

[Golden_Jet]

That $5m in dead cap space is killing us.

Could have kept Colin White I guess, but how would that look, less cap room then.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Save 1.150 from waiving Joseph
Call up Reinhardt at 0.813
Savings: 0.337

It doesn't move the needle at all.

I guess I wasn't clear.


1. how to save a million. Nothing contingent

2. You then suggested it would be a downgrade to replace him .. I suggest it would not be a downgrade,

3., If we are in a snag and have to save a million and have 12 forwards .. its a quick way to do it,

 

[KevinRedkey]

I guess I wasn't clear.


1. how to save a million. Nothing contingent

2. You then suggested it would be a downgrade to replace him .. I suggest it would not be a downgrade,

3., If we are in a snag and have to save a million and have 12 forwards .. its a quick way to do it,

Ahh ok I understand now. My bad - I didn't 'get' what you meant at first.

 

[coladin]

At least Toronto is a contender year-in and year-out. We’re in cap hell without a playoff appearance.

The buyouts and retention are so bad.

Buyouts and retention will be gone for next year.

Whether you are a contender or not, cap hell exists in mostly all teams . And Toronto still have to sign a goalie.

I would hardly extoll the virtues of Toronto, who just signed three horrific defensive players , and have one round victory in 18 years

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Hi all! Caps fan here. We are reportedly in on DeBrincat, according to Friedman.

Would the following package appeal to the Sens for Cat?

A mix of Fehervary, McMichael, Protas, Lapierre, Chesley, Iorio and future draft pick(s)?

We have a salary cap crunch, so we would either have to move Kuznetsov/Mantha to you guys in the deal (probably giving even more value b/c of that), get a third team involved in the trade, or move them elsewhere.

Know Ottawa has a fantastic young and talented core that is being built - many of the young players mentioned above are or are on the verge of being NHL players (we can thank Lavi for essentially relying on veteran plugs over the likes of CMM, Protas, and Lapi).

 

[GCK]

Dorion signing Korpisalo and Brannstrom for too much money killed any leverage we had in trade negotiations.

Can't even bluff keeping DeBrincat for the year with him making 7.65M at worst, which would leave us with 2.6M in cap space to sign Pinto and 3 more forwards. Even if all 4 of those forwards sign for league minimum, we'd still be over the cap with only 13F/7D/2G.

No team will be willing to sign him long-term for what he's asking, so we're looking at getting a rental price from the few teams that can still afford to add him for the year in hopes his demands get more realistic or he has a strong rebound season and removes any doubt that he'd live up to something like a 8x8 contract.

As far as the kind of return we'll be looking at from a few of the rumoured interested teams, I'd guess the following:

ANA: Henrique, Groulx, 2nd
NYI: Pageau, Martin/Johnston, 2nd
WSH: Mantha, Milano, 2nd

That's assuming guys like Henrique and Pageau are willing to play here, as both have limited NTCs.

Paying Brannstrom 2M is not overpaying. Fabbro would surely have been a comparable in arbitration. Brannstrom had a strong arb case with the stats that are usuable in the process.

I’m not sure what to think about Korpisalo but they needed to get a goalie and most re-signed. What were the other reasonable options ?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

We want to get rid of this guy?

No

He doesn't want to stay

 

[GCK]

Hi all! Caps fan here. We are reportedly in on DeBrincat, according to Friedman.

Would the following package appeal to the Sens for Cat?

A mix of Fehervary, McMichael, Protas, Lapierre, Chesley, Iorio and future draft pick(s)?

We have a salary cap crunch, so we would either have to move Kuznetsov/Mantha to you guys in the deal (probably giving even more value b/c of that), get a third team involved in the trade, or move them elsewhere.

Know Ottawa has a fantastic young and talented core that is being built - many of the young players mentioned above are or are on the verge of being NHL players (we can thank Lavi for essentially relying on veteran plugs over the likes of CMM, Protas, and Lapi).

A protected 1st, Laporte and Mantha makes sense.

 

[GCK]

I think Debrincat and his agent are really misplaying their hand. It’s not like there will be massive amounts of new cap space next season, cap is projected to jump 4M. Most teams, with the exception of Vegas, take care of their own first. Lots of contracts were done short term and these re-signings will eat up most of the new dollars, not sure Debrincat is getting better deals next year.

 

[kilroy]

A protected 1st, Laporte and Mantha makes sense.

I assume you mean Lapierre, and that's a good return.

 

[GCK]

I assume you mean Lapierre, and that's a good return.

You are correct but spell check really wants Laporte.

 

[Sensinitis]

If Caps retain on Mantha, add a prospect like McMichael/Lapierre and a 2nd, that’s a pretty good deal for us

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If Caps retain on Mantha, add a prospect like McMichael/Lapierre and a 2nd, that’s a pretty good deal for us

Sure, get something done already and sign a middle-six winger (Tatar, Tarasenko).

This is also a trade that probably works without an extension.

 

[Hale The Villain]

If Caps retain on Mantha, add a prospect like McMichael/Lapierre and a 2nd, that’s a pretty good deal for us

Even with no retention on Mantha it would be difficult for them to fit in DeBrincat.

CapFriendly is showing 3.5M in cap space with only 11 forwards. If McMichael and Protas/Snively are added to that to fill out the rest of the roster they'd have a little under 2M in space, but they still have to re-sign Fehervary.

Mantha + Milano (7.6M total) coming back might be able to open up just enough space, but it would be tough.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'm curious what it would take at this stage in the game to sign Tatar. 1.2?

 

[BondraTime]

I'm curious what it would take at this stage in the game to sign Tatar. 1.2?

Much more than that. Just put up 50 points making 4.5. Likely ~3+AAV on a 1/2 year deal

 

[SpezDispenser]

Much more than that. Just put up 50 points making 4.5. Likely ~3.

You think? Oh well, so much for that. I thought because he sucked like a vacuum in the playoffs, he'd want a show me deal before the cap went up.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

A protected 1st, Laporte and Mantha makes sense.

I assume you mean Lapierre, and that's a good return.

If Caps retain on Mantha, add a prospect like McMichael/Lapierre and a 2nd, that’s a pretty good deal for us

Sure, get something done already and sign a middle-six winger (Tatar, Tarasenko).

This is also a trade that probably works without an extension.

Even with no retention on Mantha it would be difficult for them to fit in DeBrincat.

CapFriendly is showing 3.5M in cap space with only 11 forwards. If McMichael and Protas/Snively are added to that to fill out the rest of the roster they'd have a little under 2M in space, but they still have to re-sign Fehervary.

Mantha + Milano (7.6M total) coming back might be able to open up just enough space, but it would be tough.

Mantha, Lapi/CMM, and a 2nd? I am down.

 

[BondraTime]

Deal with Washington would be awful.

Mantha is a cap dump that would need to be included, and they have no prospects worth trading for outside of Leonard who obviously isn’t available.

Would be a whole lot of ew

 

[swiftwin]

Doubtful that a new owner will make DBC want to live in Canada and pay more taxes.

Do we have confirmation that he doesn't want to live in Canada?

My impression has always been that it's about money and long term security. If no US based team is willing to give him anything close to what we're offering (especially term-wise), then his best option financially speaking might be Ottawa, even if the taxes are higher.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Deal with Washington would be awful.

Mantha is a cap dump that would need to be included, and they have no prospects worth trading for outside of Leonard who obviously isn’t available.

Would be a whole lot of ew

I think getting a decent player who’s a “cap dump” is going to happen if we’re moving Cat without an extension, whether that’s someone like Pageau or Mantha.

If it’s Mantha, I guess one of us or Washington can give up a small asset for a 3rd team to eat a couple million for the year.

I guess I just want this shit over with so we can actually do something about our bottom 9 in free agency.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Hi all! Caps fan here. We are reportedly in on DeBrincat, according to Friedman.

Would the following package appeal to the Sens for Cat?

A mix of Fehervary, McMichael, Protas, Lapierre, Chesley, Iorio and future draft pick(s)?

We have a salary cap crunch, so we would either have to move Kuznetsov/Mantha to you guys in the deal (probably giving even more value b/c of that), get a third team involved in the trade, or move them elsewhere.

Know Ottawa has a fantastic young and talented core that is being built - many of the young players mentioned above are or are on the verge of being NHL players (we can thank Lavi for essentially relying on veteran plugs over the likes of CMM, Protas, and Lapi).

Anything new from him today or are you going off stuff that is days old by now?

Sens are also in a crunch so we would be expecting less dollars coming back in preferably no dollars