Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

People keep talking like it's an option to keep DeBrincat, but I really don't see how it's viable. Even if Cat signed for 7M and Pinto for 2M, the team is 500k over the cap with 12F, 6D, and 2G. And Cat and Pinto will likely make significantly more than 9M between the two of them. I don't even think they'd have space if they paid someone to take Joseph and replaced him with a league min salary.

Posturing.

Dorion wasn't asked about the salary working out when he was asked. I would have liked someone to ask about that angle and point out it doesn't work. Very obvious they can't do it without moving someone with some money like say Joseph.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Posturing.

Dorion wasn't asked about the salary working out when he was asked. I would have liked someone to ask about that angle and point out it doesn't work. Very obvious they can't do it without moving someone with some money like say Joseph.

Going to be hard to find a Taker for Joseph 3x2.95 .. Future Considerations at best imo

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Going to be hard to find a Taker for Joseph 3x2.95 .. Future Considerations at best imo

Agreed. May have to throw in a sweetener, which is not ideal.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Agreed. May have to throw in a sweetener, which is not ideal.

Maybe Arizona or Phile or Chicago (they like us) a rebuilding team will take a pick/prospect but .. paying for a mistake again.
He'd be ok on the 4th line just expensive for that

 

[Ice-Tray]

Whenever Ottawa trades a player the messaging is that the player is the issue.

I'm surprised people still find a way to hate on Heatley. He was a stud during his Sens days and the first big piece to leave during the early Melnyk years.

Dorion said today in his presser that DBC has been great.

Said that worst case they’ll roll with him
because he’s a great player and they like him.

Said he’s let a few teams talk contract with his agent but nothing has happened yet.

Doesn't really sound at all like the org is putting any negative messaging out. The opposite really.

 

[Psycroptic86]

Dorion said today in his presser that DBC has been great.

Said that worst case they’ll roll with him
because he’s a great player and they like him.

Said he’s let a few teams talk contract with his agent but nothing has happened yet.

Doesn't really sound at all like the org is putting any negative messaging out. The opposite really.

Just Bruce being Bruce as usual.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Oops

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Maybe Arizona or Phile or Chicago (they like us) a rebuilding team will take a pick/prospect but .. paying for a mistake again.
He'd be ok on the 4th line just expensive for that

Ya pretty tough to move in this cap environment. He'll likely be here either way, but if they keep Cat, which I don't buy, they will have to move someone and I can't think of a better way to shave $.

 

[Silencio]

Dorion to Jeff Jackson:

 

[UglyPuckling]

Just his cap hit doesn’t work here that’s all

3.5M is fair

It's not about being fair. Its about the cap.

The Senators have $10.2 m of projected cap space with 7 players to sign. Of the 7 players, one is Debrincat or his replacement, and another is Pinto.

If Debrincat/replacement is signed for $5 m, Pinto $1.5 m (optimistic low cost 10.2.c type contract) and Dumba $3.5 m, the Senators will have a little over 200k to sign 4 players.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It's not about being fair. Its about the cap.

The Senators have $10.2 m of projected cap space with 7 players to sign. Of the 7 players, one is Debrincat or his replacement, and another is Pinto.

If Debrincat/replacement is signed for $5 m, Pinto $1.5 m (optimistic low cost 10.2.c type contract) and Dumba $3.5 m, the Senators will have a little over 200k to sign 4 players.

I thought they were implying moving Zub to make room for Dumba?

I certainly wouldn't like that, but I thought that was their original position.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I thought they were implying moving Zub to make room for Dumba?

I certainly wouldn't like that, but I thought that was their original position.

Maybe that was said earlier. IDK. The post I replied to was very brief.

Subtracting Zub and replacing with Dumba seems like a lateral move "at best".

 

[slamigo]

Just Bruce being Bruce as usual.

Yeah there’s no need for the spin by Garrioch. Not sure why he insists on pushing that crap.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Maybe that was said earlier. IDK. The post I replied to was very brief.

Subtracting Zub and replacing with Dumba seems like a lateral move "at best".

I almost went back to look, but not worth the time lol, I just thought that's where it started.

That seems like a downgrade to me. Would much prefer sticking with Zub.

 

[Yak]

Cat has us in a pickle and put himself in a pickle.

Take less in Arbitration just so he can play and prove to all the teams that passed on him that he is worth it.

Sit out the season and get $0 till Sens trade him, most likely to a team he does not prefer.

Just go to wherever in the USA and bet on himself and roll the dice on UFA.

Next year cap will increase but not huge. If the Cat does not fight and claw his way to 40 goals, he will wish he stayed in Ottawa with all the big fish UFA's next year.

Detroit won't give him the term, Detroit is not a nicer city then Ottawa and close enough to Ottawa he should just bite the bullet and make his cash here.

Cat should take whatever Dorion is offering him long-term and be happy.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out for Dorion and the Cat both have a lot on the line.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

Definitely a situation I hadn't considered (if the rumours are true)

If Ottawa is the only team offering him term right now then I could see him actually doing it. The risk of doing a 1 year either here or in another city is that he doesn't have a particularly great season again. Does he still get offers of 8m or more afterwards?

All depends on how comfortable he is with betting on himself and fielding the risk of injury.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I almost went back to look, but not worth the time lol, I just thought that's where it started.

That seems like a downgrade to me. Would much prefer sticking with Zub.

Yes, not worth it. I'm not sure it was replace Zub with Dumba. I think the poster said Dumba > Zub.

 

[inthewings]

Cat has us in a pickle and put himself in a pickle.

Take less in Arbitration just so he can play and prove to all the teams that passed on him that he is worth it.

Sit out the season and get $0 till Sens trade him, most likely to a team he does not prefer.

Just go to wherever in the USA and bet on himself and roll the dice on UFA.

Next year cap will increase but not huge. If the Cat does not fight and claw his way to 40 goals, he will wish he stayed in Ottawa with all the big fish UFA's next year.

Detroit won't give him the term, Detroit is not a nicer city then Ottawa and close enough to Ottawa he should just bite the bullet and make his cash here.

Cat should take whatever Dorion is offering him long-term and be happy.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out for Dorion and the Cat both have a lot on the line.

Doesn't he have until the 15th to accept the team's qualifying offer?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Yes, not worth it. I'm not sure it was replace Zub with Dumba. I think the poster said Dumba > Zub.

I love how either of us could read back to actually confirm this but neither of us care enough to do it lol

I file it under never gonna happen anyways

 

[h2]

Doesn't he have until the 15th to accept the team's qualifying offer?

The pending arbitration case took that option away.

 

[inthewings]

The pending arbitration case took that option away.

I thought he could accept the QO by the 15th, and the arbitrator could reduce the 9M QO by as much as 15% (to 7.6M).

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

DeBrincat and this reported disinterest from teams to give him term makes me think of Hoffman coming out of Florida and maybe wondering how teams perceive him.

Obviously the defensive deficiencies were more pronounced with The Hoff, but he was another undersized winger that produced a lot, sort of blew up his numbers in Florida with almost 40 goals, yet walked into a pretty low, short term contract after ward.

 

[h2]

I thought he could accept the QO by the 15th, and the arbitrator could reduce the 9M QO by as much as 15% (to 7.6M).

He does not have the option to simply accept the QO anymore.

 

[inthewings]

He does not have the option to simply accept the QO anymore.

Is there still a 7.6M lower bound on what the arbitrator can award?

 

[Micklebot]

Is there still a 7.6M lower bound on what the arbitrator can award?

Yes, Arbitration award can only go to as low as 80% (I think) of what the QO would have been.