Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[BondraTime]

Yeah look at how happy Yzerman is.

I was going to say, his first real draft was 2020, though he was there for the Seider pick.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Unfortunately for the Sens, whatever list DBC gave doesn't really help the way a usual list does.

Usual list the player has no say, he's just traded to one of those teams on the provided list.

DBC's list is just a casual, these are the teams you should try list. Doesn't mean he is going to sign with them or he has to sign with them.

The ball is still completely in his court, he decides where he signs, whether it's through an agreed upon trade or UFA.

I am not sure how much more we get with an extension than without one here.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I've said it before but this feels like another classic "he didn't want to be here" Garrioch gaslighting campaign where he turns Ottawa against a player by throwing a bunch of reasons for not signing at the wall to see which one sticks to the fanbase. First it was DeBrincat didn't want to sign a deal with the ownership situation in flux, then it was he doesn't want to play long term in Canada, now it's he doesn't want to play second fiddle to Brady.

It's all about money IMO. DeBrincat will sign a long term deal here if he gets what he would get on the UFA market and Ottawa isn't willing to pay it (yet). So we have a media negotiated standoff.

DBC wouldn’t even discuss money in Ottawa, so don’t think that’s the main hurdle.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[SantosHalper]

can't believe Yzerman passed on Hughes for Zadina.

goes to show even the best can royally f*** up an open net sitter.

It was Ken Holland who drafted Zadina, original plan was Bouchard not Hughes. Yzerman became GM in 2019 and Seider was his 1st pick.
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There seems to be lot of smoke in this case but not fire yet.

Yzerman said in presser that he plans to keep both 1st round picks but the 2nd round picks are "currency"



Rasmussen is not going to be traded, the Brass has said that Red Wings needs become bigger and tougher to play against. Trading Ras is out of question, but Kubalik or Berggren might be "currency". Coach Lalonde doesn't seem to be the biggest Berggren fan.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Hale The Villain]

It was Ken Holland who drafted Zadina, original plan was Bouchard not Hughes. Yzerman became GM in 2019 and Seider was his 1st pick.
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There seems to be lot of smoke in this case but not fire yet.

Yzerman said in presser that he plans to keep both 1st round picks but the 2nd round picks are "currency"



Rasmussen is not going to be traded, the Brass has said that Red Wings needs become bigger and tougher to play against. Trading Ras is out of question, but Kubalik or Berggren might be "currency". Coach Lalonde doesn't seem to be the biggest Berggren fan.

This could be just posturing, but after disappointing returns for literally every star player this team has had (Heatley, Spezza, EK, Duchene, Stone, etc...) other than Yashin, nothing would surprise me anymore.

If Yzerman doesn't put #17 on the table for DeBrincat he can **** right off.

 

[SpezDispenser]

This could be just posturing, but after disappointing returns for literally every star player this team has had (Heatley, Spezza, EK, Duchene, Stone, etc...) other than Yashin, nothing would surprise me anymore.

If Yzerman doesn't put #17 on the table for DeBrincat he can **** right off.

He can f*** off period. I'd prefer DBC going to a non rival anyway.

EDIT: Wait...disappointing return for EK?

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Zadina is not a good player.

The play with Detroit has always been to grab Kubalik, the 17th overall and one of their 2nds in this draft.

The 17th pick could be used to acquire another forward (Laughton) or you could just target one of Bertuzzi, Barbashev or Domi to play LW in UFA.

If we keep the 17th overall, Sens will probably all over Barlow. He is going to drop this year for being a one dimensional goal scorer, but he has those intangibles the team covets so much( grittiness, relentlessness and leadership qualities)

Can we use it to redraft Boucher, just to make sure we have him?

 

[Senovision]

If Detroit offered Kubalik and 2 second round draft picks from this years deep draft, that would be not ideal, but not terrible.
Kubalik is a 20 goal scorer. Although Kubalik becomes a UFA after 2023-24.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Wait I thought he hated Canada?

 

[bicboi64]

If we don't get at least the 17th for Cat, Detroit better pony up 2 of their 2nd rounders + Berggren and Kubalik.

Its a quantity over quality trade for us, but we need to have more assets coming in if we dont get a first out of them

 

[Samboni]

Frank and Bruce are presenting different sides to the story.

 

[Samboni]

A real reporter would get a statement from DBC’s agent instead of alluding to anonymous sources.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

was this date missed? If so, they blew a real smart move!

It was not missed.

 

[Golden_Jet]

A real reporter would get a statement from DBC’s agent.

Maybe Jackson isn’t talking to reporters, maybe doesn’t place his client in a positive light if he does, No-one knows.

 

[Micklebot]

Wait...disappointing return for EK?

I mean, lots of people were disappointed with it before Norris took a leap in his progression and SJ tanked themselves into a top 3 pick coming our way.

In hindsight it's one of the best trades all time, up the with Yashin bringing back Spezza and Chara,

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He can f*** off period. I'd prefer DBC going to a non rival anyway.

EDIT: Wait...disappointing return for EK?

Probably meant at the time when it was assumed SJ's pick would be a low first, conditional picks were hanging, before we knew Norris was a star, and before we knew Demelo was actually good and worth something.

In hindsight, it was incredible and the only disappointing part was Tierney. I always assumed the deal would finally come full circle with him being dealt for a 2nd or something, but alas, he decided he was pretty much done with NHL hockey.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Probably meant at the time when it was assumed SJ's pick would be a low first, conditional picks were hanging, before we knew Norris was a star, and before we knew Demelo was actually good and worth something.

In hindsight, it was incredible and the only disappointing part was Tierney. I always assumed the deal would finally come full circle with him being dealt for a 2nd or something, but alas, he decided he was pretty much done with NHL hockey.

At the time, it looked shitty because SJ looked good, yeah. But in retrospect? As you say, one of the greatest of all time.

You all can thank me for getting Stu, as I put a terrific Egyptian curse on SJ when Wilson f***ed around and traded Hoffman back to the East when Dorion was pretty careful not to.*

*yes, i get it, Dorion was a fool, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Probably meant at the time when it was assumed SJ's pick would be a low first, conditional picks were hanging, before we knew Norris was a star, and before we knew Demelo was actually good and worth something.

In hindsight, it was incredible and the only disappointing part was Tierney. I always assumed the deal would finally come full circle with him being dealt for a 2nd or something, but alas, he decided he was pretty much done with NHL hockey.

Yeah that's what I meant.

It turned out to be a good very good trade, but looked very disappointing at the time. Couldn't find the Karlsson trade threat on HFSens, but I remember pretty much everyone was disappointed at getting only a collection of B/C level assets, albeit a large number of them.

San Jose's pick ending up winning the lottery and turning into Stutzle was sheer dumb luck, but Norris turned out to be a great target, even if he seemed like a very underwhelming center piece in a deal for one of the best D in the game.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

At the time, it looked shitty because SJ looked good, yeah. But in retrospect? As you say, one of the greatest of all time.

You all can thank me for getting Stu, as I put a terrific Egyptian curse on SJ when Wilson f***ed around and traded Hoffman back to the East when Dorion was pretty careful not to.*

*yes, i get it, Dorion was a fool, etc. etc. etc.

Lol. Ya I had a hard time faulting Wilson for that without being privy to their conversations. He had a better deal on the table and he took it. In hindsight, we should have as well, but water under the bridge.

We can bring Hoff back in 10 years with a statue out front the new arena instead

 

[SpezDispenser]

Lol. Ya I had a hard time faulting Wilson for that without being privy to their conversations. He had a better deal on the table and he took it. In hindsight, we should have as well, but water under the bridge.

We can bring Hoff back in 10 years with a statue out front the new arena instead

lol.

I'm thinking Montreal would love us to take him back today.

 

[bert]

I mean, lots of people were disappointed with it before Norris took a leap in his progression and SJ tanked themselves into a top 3 pick coming our way.

In hindsight it's one of the best trades all time, up the with Yashin bringing back Spezza and Chara,

The pick got pushed a season because of Kane. The actual pick was in the 20's the original return left alot to be desired. Alot worked out for the sens to end up with Stutzle. The Yashin deal was a way better trade.

 

[SpezDispenser]

The pick got pushed a season because of Kane. The actual pick was in the 20's the original return left alot to be desired. Alot worked out for the sens to end up with Stutzle. The Yashin deal was a way better trade.

Dorion's wall plaque literally says "If you throw enough hail marys, one of them is bound to be caught"

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Yeah that's what I meant.

It turned out to be a good very good trade, but looked very disappointing at the time. Couldn't find the Karlsson trade threat on HFSens, but I remember pretty much everyone was disappointed at getting only a collection of B/C level assets, albeit a large number of them.

San Jose's pick ending up winning the lottery and turning into Stutzle was sheer dumb luck, but Norris turned out to be a great target, even if he seemed like a very underwhelming center piece in a deal for one of the best D in the game.

Yes, I know I was swearing about it when it came out and it was almost unanimously panned at the time. Love it today even if I'd welcome Karlsson back.

A mid to late first looked like the best piece, but nothing to get excited about. Norris looked like a middle six fairly pedestrian guy as the next best piece. DeMelo was assumed to be waiver wire fodder that may not even make the lineup. They had to meet conditions for at least one of the other picks coming back. Tierney was very underwhelming as the best player coming back at the time considering all the other names on SJ people hoped for.

Ironically, the best player coming from SJ in Tierney turned out to really fall off and return nothing, while the other pieces blew up.

lol.

I'm thinking Montreal would love us to take him back today.

Probably ya, but his salary isn't overly large at 4.5. I'm betting on a return to 20+ goals and a deadline deal this year from the Hoff. Or maybe just hoping lol.