Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[bert]

Yeah sorry that is what I meant, thrown in as a filler

I do not have confidence in the UFA market personally, Ottawa is never a hot spot for players

This year however we may have more advantages with cap space and a new owner

And opportunity. The sens have a #1 goalie position available and a top 6 forward spot where you are guaranteed to be played with good players on a team that should push for a playoff spot. There really arent many other good options. Carolina but they need elite scoring there really isnt any in the UFA pool. They are a very desirable destination for a goalie Colorado now likely has room for a forward with Landeskog being out. Nashville is going to get their pick of the UFA's too.

After those two teams I dont see many other options for UFA's that are better than Ottawa. The sens as an organization got lucky for when the pandemic fell. It allowed them to sign their young stars at reasonable contracts and has positioned them well in this years free agency. All because the best teams and most desirable locations are pressed against the cap.

I truly believe a deal centered around futures is whats best for this organization long and short term. Cap space is truly a weapon this offseason. Id take a Perron or Copp back along with 17 and one of their seconds. Would be a tremendous deal.

 

[NyQuil]

can't believe Yzerman passed on Hughes for Zadina.

goes to show even the best can royally f*** up an open net sitter.

If we don't get the top 2 picks. I want Zadina, Dobson,Hughes or Boqvist.

With our 2nd first I want Kravstov, Bokk, Ty Smith or Kotkianmeni.

I would be estatic with these.

What I'm steeling myself for is Tkachuck and Barrett Hayton.

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I think the real question is who gives the Sens the best chance to win the Stanley Cup and who gives the Sens the best chance to win the most number of Stanley Cups in their career? If we compare Svechnikov vs Zadina vs Tkachuk, who is the biggest winner? When the games matter, when we are in...

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[Agent Zuuuub]

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I think the real question is who gives the Sens the best chance to win the Stanley Cup and who gives the Sens the best chance to win the most number of Stanley Cups in their career? If we compare Svechnikov vs Zadina vs Tkachuk, who is the biggest winner? When the games matter, when we are in...

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exactly.

but to be fair by the time draft rolled around Hughes was in my top 3.

 

[NyQuil]

exactly.

but to be fair by the time draft rolled around Hughes was in my top 3.

It's ok, I wanted Zadina at the time.

I thought the team had a substantial offensive skill deficit.

My track record for the draft is so-so (yes to Kopitar, yes to JJ Peterka but also yes to Zadina, no to Tkachuk, no to Sanderson (I wanted Drysdale)).

 

[Masked]

And opportunity. The sens have a #1 goalie position available and a top 6 forward spot where you are guaranteed to be played with good players on a team that should push for a playoff spot. There really arent many other good options. Carolina but they need elite scoring there really isnt any in the UFA pool. They are a very desirable destination for a goalie Colorado now likely has room for a forward with Landeskog being out. Nashville is going to get their pick of the UFA's too.

After those two teams I dont see many other options for UFA's that are better than Ottawa.

Looking at CapFriendly there seems to be some other options - Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Seattle, and New Jersey all have more cap space than the Senators.

Assen na yo!

 

[bert]

Looking at CapFriendly there seems to be some other options - Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Seattle, and New Jersey all have more cap space than the Senators.

Assen na yo!

Jersey and Seattle have some big RFA's to sign but they arent competing for a goalie. So there is some room for a D and a forward for those teams. Buffalo is a similar destination to Ottawa and needs alot of the same things I agree with that but I dont know if they are hands down a better fit Ottawa is a much nicer place to live. Pittsburgh is definitely interesting.

I think the teams that end up signings goalies are.

Pittsburgh, Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo and Carolina. There are 6 decent ones, there should be one left for Ottawa.

 

[bicboi64]

If Detroit doesn't want to move the 17th overall but is willing to give up someone like Rasmussen (who's a lot more proven than Berrgren or Zadina), I'd be fine with two of their 2nd round picks as well or their 1st rounder next year.

Zadina is only of 'value' from them if he's a throw in that we hope we can benefit from a change in scenery.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

It's ok, I wanted Zadina at the time.

I thought the team had a substantial offensive skill deficit.

My track record for the draft is so-so (yes to Kopitar, yes to JJ Peterka but also yes to Zadina, no to Tkachuk, no to Sanderson (I wanted Drysdale)).

fun to make aggressive takes and always enlightening when you get humbled.

everyone will be incredibly right and laughably wrong all the time.

 

[NyQuil]

fun to make aggressive takes and always enlightening when you get humbled.

everyone will be incredibly right and laughably wrong all the time.

Well, a lot of people on this board like to toot their own horns a lot and conveniently forget when they were way off base.

I admire the folks who are mature enough to be honest about when they got it horribly wrong.

 

[bert]

Well, a lot of people on this board like to toot their own horns a lot and conveniently forget when they were way off base.

I admire the folks who are mature enough to be honest about when they got it horribly wrong.

Was interesting to see who everyone voted for. Good on the overall board to choose Tkachuk. I chose Hughes on that one. Who seems like the second best choice but I clearly missed the big one.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Zadina had the overrated prospect on HF trifecta:

1. Late birthday
2. Very skilled and good draft year numbers
3. Great WJC performance

Remember people arguing that he should go ahead of Svechnikov and Carolina should pick him 2nd to play with his countrymate Necas. Was definitely thought of as the consensus #3 guy around here.

Think I had him 6th on my 2018 list, but to my shame I didn't like Tkachuk either. Doubted his high-end offensive upside, but I'm glad to be proved wrong.

My guy was Dobson in 2018. Would take Brady over him now but he still would have been a good pick. No idea how teams let him fall outside of the top 10 that year.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Well, a lot of people on this board like to toot their own horns a lot and conveniently forget when they were way off base.

I admire the folks who are mature enough to be honest about when they got it horribly wrong.

I just want to state that I am wrong at least 90% of the time .. I want to get that out there and over with now so I do not have to address it each time it occurs.

Thank you for your patience in this matter.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I don't think I voted, but I wanted Zadina and was offended when they took Tkachuk over him.

 

[Micklebot]

Was interesting to see who everyone voted for. Good on the overall board to choose Tkachuk. I chose Hughes on that one. Who seems like the second best choice but I clearly missed the big one.

I apparently didn't vote... But if memory serves, I was yo-yo'ing between Zadina and Dobson and perfectly comfortable with Tkachuk as an option

 

[R2010]

Zadina had the overrated prospect on HF trifecta:

1. Late birthday
2. Very skilled and good draft year numbers
3. Great WJC performance

Remember people arguing that he should go ahead of Svechnikov and Carolina should pick him 2nd to play with his countrymate Necas. Was definitely thought of as the consensus #3 guy around here.

Think I had him 6th on my 2018 list, but to my shame I didn't like Tkachuk either. Doubted his high-end offensive upside, but I'm glad to be proved wrong.

My guy was Dobson in 2018. Would take Brady over him now but he still would have been a good pick. No idea how teams let him fall outside of the top 10 that year.

Dobson and Bouchard available at pick ten makes me question the thought processes of quite a few NHL scouting staffs.

 

[Samboni]

In today’s headline, Bruce labels DBC as “unhappy”. I’m not sure where he is getting that from. Bruce seems to want to drive a specific narrative.

 

[R2010]

My wish for DeBrincat trade would be:

CAR
Jarvis + 30th overall

or

NASH
Tomasino + 24th overall


Neither is going to happen. Zero chance. But boy it'd be great is somehow it did.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

In today’s headline, Bruce labels DBC as “unhappy”. I’m not sure where he is getting that from. Bruce seems to want to drive a specific narrative.

This your first time here?

 

[bert]

My wish for DeBrincat trade would be:

CAR
Jarvis + 30th overall

or

NASH
Tomasino + 24th overall


Neither is going to happen. Zero chance. But boy it'd be great is somehow it did.

I dont think the sens even get a sniff at Jarvis let alone adding the 30th pick. Teravainen and 30th that seems like it could happen.

 

[Beech]

This your first time here?

enfant terrible..nap time for you

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

enfant terrible..nap time for you

Lol, I told no lies.

 

[Silencio]

I've said it before but this feels like another classic "he didn't want to be here" Garrioch gaslighting campaign where he turns Ottawa against a player by throwing a bunch of reasons for not signing at the wall to see which one sticks to the fanbase. First it was DeBrincat didn't want to sign a deal with the ownership situation in flux, then it was he doesn't want to play long term in Canada, now it's he doesn't want to play second fiddle to Brady.

It's all about money IMO. DeBrincat will sign a long term deal here if he gets what he would get on the UFA market and Ottawa isn't willing to pay it (yet). So we have a media negotiated standoff.

 

[BondraTime]

Unfortunately for the Sens, whatever list DBC gave doesn't really help the way a usual list does.

Usual list the player has no say, he's just traded to one of those teams on the provided list.

DBC's list is just a casual, these are the teams you should try list. Doesn't mean he is going to sign with them or he has to sign with them.

The ball is still completely in his court, he decides where he signs, whether it's through an agreed upon trade or UFA.

 

[BondraTime]

I've said it before but this feels like another classic "he didn't want to be here" Garrioch gaslighting campaign where he turns Ottawa against a player by throwing a bunch of reasons for not signing at the wall to see which one sticks to the fanbase. First it was DeBrincat didn't want to sign a deal with the ownership situation in flux, then it was he doesn't want to play long term in Canada, now it's he doesn't want to play second fiddle to Brady.

It's all about money IMO. DeBrincat will sign a long term deal here if he gets what he would get on the UFA market and Ottawa isn't willing to pay it (yet). So we have a media negotiated standoff.

Ownership came straight from DBC's camp, because it was an iron clad excuse that couldn't be questioned until a week before he's to be traded.

He has no clue what Ottawa is willing to pay, he and his agent will not even discuss a contract with Ottawa.

It's extremely obvious he'd like to be elsewhere. He won't even go to the table to talk about what he wants money wise. If it was about money they would at the absolute bare minimum talk with the team that is trying to sign you to an 8 year deal. Instead, they refuse to even discuss a contract, but will with a handful of other teams.

If he wants to sign in Ottawa, he's not going to refuse to enter a contract negotiation with the team, when the team will undoubtedly trade him away in a week. It makes absolutely no sense.

Most times, the most likely scenario is the actual scenario.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

can't believe Yzerman passed on Hughes for Zadina.

goes to show even the best can royally f*** up an open net sitter.

Yeah look at how happy Yzerman is.