Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[Sens of Anarchy]

Can the arbitration term be 2 years in Debrincat's case, or just one year? I think he still has one RFA year left (this year).

I guess $7.65 m for one year (or two years which would be better) helps a little whether the plan is to trade him or keep him. But how much better is it, and will it make much of a difference especially for the trade scenario?

The profile for a team that would be interested in Debrincat would be a team that has strong playoff aspirations (they are going for it) and cap room. I don't see rebuilding teams (i.e., Flyers have been mentioned) as being a logical landing spot.

I never liked the trade and the one-year term (and a maybe year) that brought him here.

I'm thinking Alex is looking for a big payday, or doesn't want to be in Canada, or both. If Alex and his family really wanted to be here, you'd think a contract with a long term would be attractive for him.

1 year

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Would it be (wrong/illegal/use whatever term you want) if Dorion discreetly contacted Andlauer to ask him how he feels about committing long term to DeBrincat should he want to stay at a certain price?

He might have to wait until the BoG approval and Andlauer selling his Habs share at the very least. Other than that, he probably can. The guy is buying the Sens for $950 mil, he can get a few things going his way I imagine.

 

[Big Muddy]

I don't fault Debrincat and his family motivation in this case But, isn't this something that you'd want a GM to ferret out before making the trade? Was a trade with a high potential of being a one year and done wise? Is this something to gauge or assess our GM by?

 

[Big Muddy]

1 year

Yes, I think so as well. I got this from CapFriendly. I think this is the applicable and relevant CBA rule here for the one year.

"Players who are in their final year Restricted Free Agency are only entitled to a 1 year term".

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

That's some bullshit that its about home. Because if it was he would have teams that hes willing to sign long term to as:

Detroit
StLouis
Columbus
Chicago
Minnesota

Not:
Vegas
Florida
Dallas
Nashville

All no income tax states.

IT AINT ABOUT FAMILY AND IT NEVER WAS.

He's just looking to maximize his net income like most players asking for trades these days and that's it. All of them have the same teams on their willing to accept trade to list.

 

[StoicSensFan]

So does this mean he's absolutely playing for us next season?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

So does this mean he's absolutely playing for us next season?

It means there's virtually no chance of him playing for us unless trade offers are absolutely underwhelming.

 

[StoicSensFan]

It means there's virtually no chance of him playing for us.

If they don't find a deal they like before the draft, why not just keep him until the trade deadline?

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Bruce has been good with the scoops regarding the ownership stuff but kinda fumbled the ball lately with signings and trades. See Zub's extension and Chychrun trade where he was adamant that neither were happening.

 

[JimmyApples]

Bruce has been good with the scoops regarding the ownership stuff but kinda fumbled the ball lately with signings and trades. See Zub's extension and Chychrun trade where he was adamant that neither were happening.

While this is true, if the Sens are taking Debrincat to arbitration, it signals the end of his time in Ottawa. Arbitration can ruin a player-organization relationship. If they were negotiating a long-term contract, they wouldn’t ruin that relationship over a potential 15% pay cut.

 

[Micklebot]

I'm getting old and my brain is fuzzy, but getting a 1-year arbitration contract means we can't trade him for a full year...right? Or is that waivers (putting a guy on waivers, you can't get him back for a year) I'm thinking of?

It would be the same situation as Stone, can't extend him until after 1 Jan, I don't think there's any limitations on trading them though.

 

[Silencio]

Bruce has been good with the scoops regarding the ownership stuff but kinda fumbled the ball lately with signings and trades. See Zub's extension and Chychrun trade where he was adamant that neither were happening.

This, plus the stuff from Steve Warne is starting to make me think that it's the Sens who don't want to sign DeBrincat and not the other way around, and Bruce is just doing the organization's bidding as per usual by pushing the "he didn't want to be here" narrative.

 

[Silencio]

While this is true, if the Sens are taking Debrincat to arbitration, it signals the end of his time in Ottawa. Arbitration can ruin a player-organization relationship. If they were negotiating a long-term contract, they wouldn’t ruin that relationship over a potential 15% pay cut.

Not necessarily, wasn't Joseph scheduled for arbitration last summer before signing his deal?

 

[Sens Vader]

Bruce has been good with the scoops regarding the ownership stuff but kinda fumbled the ball lately with signings and trades. See Zub's extension and Chychrun trade where he was adamant that neither were happening.

I mean he also said Apostolopolus was the lead bud a day before he backed out lol

Bruce doesn’t know shit 90% of the time

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Not necessarily, wasn't Joseph scheduled for arbitration last summer before signing his deal?

Joseph filed for it. The team is deciding to take Cat to arbitration in this case.

 

[Union2017]

I like Cat, don't get me wrong, but if we can do some magic and get a decent 2nd liner and a goalie for a package that has Cat as a centerpiece, I would like that

 

[GCK]

Debrincat to Columbus for 2024 1st top 5 protected, 2023 2nd, 2023 3rd.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I like Cat, don't get me wrong, but if we can do some magic and get a decent 2nd liner and a goalie for a package that has Cat as a centerpiece, I would like that

If we're not going to give it a go with a new coach (my preference) then I think a cheaper 2nd line player is the way to go as well.

 

[BondraTime]

Taking him to arbitration doesn’t mean they will get the maximum 15% drop.

There’s no chance an arbiter rules in that favour. DBC agent will point to his previous 2 seasons where he scored 73 goals in 130 games.

I’d be surprised if an arbiter rules for less than 8.5.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I really don’t get this. In all the 2018 WJC team discussion there is only 1 thing we know as fact - John Doe #1 had consensual sex with the woman as she has clearly stated in her statements.

This is not true at all. We know that she went up to have consensual sex with him, and that situation changed. Consent is an ongoing thing that can change even if the situation had simply remained her and JD.

It is also accepted as fact that the woman was assaulted and that she did not give consent to what happened.

In cases like this, the victim does not need to prove that she did not give consent, if she says it, it is accepted that she is a victim pretty much and the onus switches to the other side along with an investigation of circumstances. Her story is corroborated and it has been accepted that she was victimized. She was paid out by HC, and a police investigation has publicly stated that there is enough evidence to support her claim.

The only thing that hasn’t been established is whether the 4-5 guys knew that she had not given consent, or whether it was reasonable to assume that she was consenting. That’s what the entire investigation is about, it’s not about whether there was consensual sex or not because she has already established that it wasn’t.

The crown has to decide if there is enough evidence to prosecute, but everyone knows the details of what happened, the videos they made her make, the text messages afterwards, etc. The details of the event aren’t really in question, it’s just a matter of proving that the guys should have known that she wasn’t consenting to the group sex.

Trial or not, the guys did what they did, and teams may not want to keep them based on a he said she said disagreement on consent.

 

[Masked]

While this is true, if the Sens are taking Debrincat to arbitration, it signals the end of his time in Ottawa. Arbitration can ruin a player-organization relationship. If they were negotiating a long-term contract, they wouldn’t ruin that relationship over a potential 15% pay cut.

This has very rarely happened. More often than not, the two sides settle before arbitration anyway. DeBrincat is not going to be offended that the Senators are electing for arbitration. He might be by what is said during an arbitration hearing but at that point a long term deal is pretty much off the table anyway.

Assen na yo!

 

[Sens Vader]

Well hopefully we can re-coupe some assets and be aggressive in free agency

Gotta hit this one out of the park, tons of holes in Dorions roster and we need a big off season!

 

[Emerica]

I like Cat, don't get me wrong, but if we can do some magic and get a decent 2nd liner and a goalie for a package that has Cat as a centerpiece, I would like that

I’m in the same boat.

 

[R2010]

 

[OD99]

This is not true at all. We know that she went up to have consensual sex with him, and that situation changed. Consent is an ongoing thing that can change even if the situation had simply remained her and JD.

It is also accepted as fact that the woman was assaulted and that she did not give consent to what happened.

In cases like this, the victim does not need to prove that she did not give consent, if she says it, it is accepted that she is a victim pretty much and the onus switches to the other side along with an investigation of circumstances. Her story is corroborated and it has been accepted that she was victimized. She was paid out by HC, and a police investigation has publicly stated that there is enough evidence to support her claim.

The only thing that hasn’t been established is whether the 4-5 guys knew that she had not given consent, or whether it was reasonable to assume that she was consenting. That’s what the entire investigation is about, it’s not about whether there was consensual sex or not because she has already established that it wasn’t.

The crown has to decide if there is enough evidence to prosecute, but everyone knows the details of what happened, the videos they made her make, the text messages afterwards, etc. The details of the event aren’t really in question, it’s just a matter of proving that the guys should have known that she wasn’t consenting to the group sex.

Trial or not, the guys did what they did, and teams may not want to keep them based on a he said she said disagreement on consent.

I don't know for sure but the time it is taking for all of these investigations is outrageous. They haven't arrested anyone but Formenton in particular is getting run through the grinder.

Due process doesn't come in to play yet but in the court of public opinion he has been beat around pretty good.