Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[Ice-Tray]

I don't feel like that makes it clear though. What specifically does that impact? Potentially traded and he doesn't want that? Won't work for anyone but who's here now? Cares about cap spending commitments? It's too open ended to me to carry much weight and feels like either damage control, or he just wants to stay for the year and pick this up next summer, but that's just not fair, since all the risk lands on the team in that scenario.

But it doesn't matter much imo. This doesn't change anything even if it can be believed. He either needs to negotiate an extension now or he needs to be dealt.

Owners talk to players, he may want to see/know that the new guy isn’t going to have him shipped off right away.

It’s not actually a crazy position to take if you consider that he could be traded after sign in g his 8 year deal to a city that he doesn’t want to raise his family in.

Could be traded regardless? Sure, but at least he can find out of the new ownership plans on going in a different direction first in this case, so why not?

I think we’re just all on edge because of the sale circus. If this article angle is true, then it also has been well supported for a long time now. The rumour has always been that he wanted to see the direction new ownership was going to take. It’s just that no one thought we’d still be where we are this far into our off season.

 

[DaveMatthew]

EK didn’t want to sign a long term deal without trade protection because he didn’t want to be traded to a destination that he didn’t want to be in, and it makes sense here that DBC may not want to sign a long term deal with no trade protection until he can get some assurances from new ownership that they like the direction.

Is there a report out there that the Senators have engaged in negotiations on a long-term extension but there are concerns about certain aspects (like trade protection or signing bonuses), like there were with Karlsson, Duchene or Stone?

All I've read is that Dorion has reached out and Debrincat's agent has politely declined to participate in negotiations at this time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Warne's article is a bit of a conundrum though, isn't it?

The "source" claims Debrincat likes DJ and loves his teammates (which I don't doubt!), but he wants to get a long-term deal on his next contract and isn't sure he fits into Ottawa's future plans.

But Dorion has come out and said that they want to offer Debrincat an 8-year extension, which means they do in fact see him in their future plans.

Meanwhile, Debrincat's agent has said he doesn't want to negotiate an extension at this time.

So he wants a long-term extension, he wants it from Ottawa, Ottawa wants to give it to him... but he doesn't want to talk to them about it...

Perhaps Debrincat's agent has sniffed out that Dorion will be fired as soon as new ownership takes over and doesn't believe he has any real authority to tell DBC that he'll be here for 8 years. That, I guess, is the most plausible explanation I've heard.

"Why am I going to talk to the guy who'll be fired in 2 months?"

Which is a shame, I guess.

Ya I don’t think that PD would be able to get NTCs put into a contract, when the team is being sold.

 

[Ice-Tray]

One goes against everything that’s unfolding, and being reported by National insiders, and is from someone who usually doesn’t (never?) have Sens inside stuff.

One is from the guy, that as oafish as he is, has had Sens inside information for the past 20 years, has had the inside track on all the Sens Sale information, and had been writing about DBC’s intent for the the past 5 months, that seems to have proven correct based on everything we see unfolding, and being reported by National pundits.

Not true. It has been rumoured for ever that his camp wants to see what happens with new ownership.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Owners talk to players, he may want to see/know that the new guy isn’t going to have him shipped off right away.

It’s not actually a crazy position to take if you consider that he could be traded after sign in g his 8 year deal to a city that he doesn’t want to raise his family in.

Is new ownership going to come in and micromanage Dorion? Why wouldn't new ownership trust the general manager to decide who should and shouldn't be extended, so long as they stay beneath the salary cap?

After all, the direction the team is heading is positive, right? Dorion has done a good job and new owners would see that?

Do you think Andlauer/Kimel will let the hockey people make the hockey decisions? Or is Debrincat right to think that Dorion won't be the one making the decisions much longer?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Is there a report out there that the Senators have engaged in negotiations on a long-term extension but there are concerns about certain aspects (like trade protection or signing bonuses), like there were with Karlsson, Duchene or Stone?

All I've read is that Dorion has reached out and Debrincat's agent has politely declined to participate in negotiations at this time.

The rumours have been that he’s waiting to see what happens with new ownership.

Nothing to negotiate until that happens If that’s the hold up.

 

[BondraTime]

Ya I don’t think that PD would be able to get NTCs put into a contract, when the team is being sold.

Zub got a M-NTC on every year. That was less than 6 months ago.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The rumours have been that he’s waiting to see what happens with new ownership.

Nothing to negotiate until that happens If that’s the hold up.

Why would new ownership impact who Dorion decides to sign and not sign?

Wouldn't they just give him a budget (the salary cap) and let him put together the team?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Is new ownership going to come in and make Dorion their puppet? Why wouldn't new ownership trust the general manager to decide who should and shouldn't be extended, so long as they stay beneath the salary cap?

Do you think Andlauer/Kimel will micromanage or let the hockey people make the hockey decisions?

Or will they fire Dorion?

I think you’re just being difficult now.

New ownership can decide that they don’t like the make up of the team and bring in someone to change it. New guys may simply have a different vision.

It doesnt matter what you or I think, we have nothing on the line. But if where I was going to raise my family for the next 8 years was on the line I would want to at least have ownership and franchise stability before I signed.

I suspect you would too.

Why would new ownership impact who Dorion decides to sign and not sign?

Wouldn't they just give him a budget (the salary cap) and let him put together the team?

I mean we just had an owner who did not do that at all, and now you want to assume that it’s weird to think that could happen??

Like you’d bet the next 8 years of your life on that instead of waiting a few weeks to have some clarity?

 

[DaveMatthew]

I think you’re just being difficult now.

New ownership can decide that they don’t like the make up of the team and bring in someone to change it. New guys may simply have a different vision.

It doesnt matter what you or I think, we have nothing on the line. But if where I was going to raise my family for the next 8 years was on the line I would want to at least have ownership and franchise stability before I signed.

I suspect you would too.

I'd want to maximize my earnings, and the best way to do that would be to sign in a low tax state. I suspect that that's Debrincat's priority as well, based on the list of preferred destinations he submitted.

More power to him.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Zub got a M-NTC on every year. That was less than 6 months ago.

Ya Zub did,
But not sure why not accepting any of the answers.
It’s part of the CBA, 7 years in the league or 27 years old, that’s the qualifiers.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Owners talk to players, he may want to see/know that the new guy isn’t going to have him shipped off right away.

It’s not actually a crazy position to take if you consider that he could be traded after sign in g his 8 year deal to a city that he doesn’t want to raise his family in.

Could be traded regardless? Sure, but at least he can find out of the new ownership plans on going in a different direction first in this case, so why not?

I think we’re just all on edge because of the sale circus. If this article angle is true, then it also has been well supported for a long time now. The rumour has always been that he wanted to see the direction new ownership was going to take. It’s just that no one thought we’d still be where we are this far into our off season.

I see what you're saying. Personally, I don't really buy it, but that's not to say it couldn't be true. And if it is true, it doesn't change anything from the teams perspective imo. Still have to move him this summer.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I'd want to maximize my earnings, and the best way to do that would be in a low tax state. I suspect that that's Debrincat's priority as well, based on the list of preferred destinations he submitted.

More power to him.

Sure, that’s the cynic’s take. Bit you’ve already moved on from signing him so I get it.

The funny thing is that him wanting to wait for new ownership has been a rumour that has been around for a long time, and a recent update supporting that shouldn’t really be that much of a surprise either.

It never has been a crazy notion, we’re just tired of waiting for stuff to happen.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Like you’d bet the next 8 years of your life on that instead of waiting a few weeks to have some clarity?

Debrincat's agent knows full well that it'll take much longer than a few weeks to have any clarity. A new owner won't take over until September/October, and they won't clean house or have a brand new plan on day one.

By choosing not to extend now, they've come to terms that they won't be extending here at all.

The team has told him he'll probably be traded, by asking for his list. And he's fine with that. He's submitted his list.

I bet he's not losing much sleep over it.

It is what it is.

I think Debrincat will go somewhere where he'll be happy, and we'll be able to build a better team without him.

 

[BondraTime]

Ya Zub did,
But not sure why not accepting any of the answers.
It’s part of the CBA, 7 years in the league or 27 years old, that’s the qualifiers.

Yes, DBC can’t get until next season.

Dorion seems to be allowed to add them in though.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I see what you're saying. Personally, I don't really buy it, but that's not to say it couldn't be true. And if it is true, it doesn't change anything from the teams perspective imo. Still have to move him this summer.

Naw. If he wants to stay I want him to be signed long term.

If he wants to move, then you trade him.

We‘ll have rising cap space to sign 3rd and 4th line guys. no need to trade a first line scoring winger if we don’t have to.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I'd want to maximize my earnings, and the best way to do that would be to sign in a low tax state. I suspect that that's Debrincat's priority as well, based on the list of preferred destinations he submitted.

More power to him.

And as an American he can purchase an RCA to mitigate taxes, and signing bonuses are taxed at 15%, if off season home in US.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Debrincat's agent knows full well that it'll take much longer than a few weeks to have some clarity. A new owner won't take over until September/October, and they won't clean house or have a brand new plan on day 1.

By choosing not to extend now, they've come to terms with not extending here at all.

The team has told him he'll probably be traded, by asking for his list. And he's fine with that. He's submitted his list.

It is what it is.

Not true.

They could talk to the new owner the second the bid is won and the ownership question is settled.

They don’t have to wait until his official office hours to talk.

 

[Masked]

Because Bruce is writing the opposite? Why would he change his stance ?

The agent will go elsewhere to someone else

Garrioch doesn't have a stance. He just regurgitates what he's told. If the agent was going elsewhere, he'd go to Dreger or LeBrun or someone at Sportsnet. Warne doesn't have enough of a platform for people to use him to get the word out.

Assen na yo!

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Naw. If he wants to stay I want him to be signed long term.

If he wants to move, then you trade him.

We‘ll have rising cap space to sign 3rd and 4th line guys. no need to trade a first line scoring winger if we don’t have to.

No way. Wouldn't even consider it. Sign now or move on. It holds up the whole summer potentially and severely limits their ability to use the cap space effectively if it comes to that. He's already a bit of a luxury while the team has significant issues to resolve elsewhere. No thanks. Typical UFA's expecting everyone to wait on them regardless of the impact to the team.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Not true.

They could talk to the new owner the second the bid is won and the ownership question is settled.

They don’t have to wait until his official office hours to talk.

They cannot. The preferred bidder will not be the owner for several months, and any potential deal that's announced could still fall apart. The bid won't be "won" until, likely, September.

Until then, he will be able to talk to Dorion, who'll be able to talk to the board that's currently in place.

If DBC wants certainty, he won't get it for a while.

 

[BondraTime]

I'd want to maximize my earnings, and the best way to do that would be to sign in a low tax state. I suspect that that's Debrincat's priority as well, based on the list of preferred destinations he submitted.

More power to him.

Yeah a list with Vegas, Florida, Nashville, Dallas and Detroit basically forces the hand if they want to trade him extended. There’s 1 team that would likely bid there.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes, DBC can’t get until next season.

Dorion seems to be allowed to add them in though.

No he doesn’t, the contract would be rejected, that’s why Zub’s wasn’t. It was legal.

 

[Ice-Tray]

They cannot. The preferred bidder will not be the owner for several months, and any potential deal that's announced could still fall apart.

If DBC wants certainty, he won't get it for months.

If you say so dude.

You’ve made your bed I see, and have no room for any information to the contrary.

’Eves, we’ll see how it unfolds. Keep up with the trade proposals though, they are entertaining at least during this shit show.

 

[BondraTime]

No he doesn’t, the contract would be rejected, that’s why Zub’s wasn’t. It was legal.

What do you mean it was illegal? Zub has a NTC starting next year until his contract ends.

Dorion is allowed to give DBC a contract with NMC in 2024-25 through to 2031-32 if he signed a contract tomorrow.

By next season, I mean 2024-25, not this upcoming season. My fault not being articulate.