Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[Gil Gunderson]

Based on what evidence???

Him not discussing a long-term contract and the list of preferred cities he provided.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Based on what evidence???

Him not being willing to negotiate a long-term extension in Ottawa but being willing to negotiate a long-term extension in Detroit, Dallas, Vegas, Nashville or Florida?

Is that not evidence that he'd rather play other places than here?

Nobody said he'd rather be anywhere but Ottawa. But... I mean... it's pretty clear that there are some places he'd rather be than Ottawa. And hey, who can blame him. The difference will be millions. And the sun is nice.

It's kind of funny. Whenever we've traded a good player in the past, most people have, logically, thought "well yeah, he probably didn't want to extend considering what else was out there" (see: Karlsson, Stone, Duchene). But with Debrincat, if you suggest that he might prefer to go somewhere else... you're talking crazy.

It's okay. Not everyone will give up millions to play with Brady or for DJ. It doesn't mean Brady and DJ suck.

It's not a fit, you move on.

 

[swiftwin]

Him not being willing to negotiate a long-term extension in Ottawa but being willing to negotiate a long-term extension in Detroit, Dallas, Vegas, Nashville or Florida?

Is that not evidence that he'd rather play there than here?

But this says the opposite:


He's not stupid. Him and his agent have access to capfriendly too. They know we simply do not have the room in our cap structure for a long term contract at the AAV he could get in those other cities.

 

[DaveMatthew]

But this says the opposite:


He's not stupid. Him and his agent have access to capfriendly too. They know we simply do not have the room in our cap structure for a long term contract at the AAV he could get in those other cities.

I'll take Friedman and Garrioch's word over Steve Warne, a former morning radio host with no track record of any NHL connections. But you believe what you want. Debrincat loves Ottawa. He doesn't want to be anywhere else. He just doesn't want to sign here, or even discuss signing here.

And I can fully believe that DBC likes DJ Smith and loves his teammates but would still rather be in Detroit, Dallas, Nashville, Florida or Vegas.

Don't worry, I'm not shitting on or blaming DJ. When DBC is in Nashville and DJ is announced as their new assistant coach in 2025, he'll be thrilled.

 

[Sun God Nika]

I am sure Debrincat would love to stay too.

Question is how long does he want to stay.

He won’t have to move his family around for a year and gets to pick his destination in the summer , + sens are going to be a good team if healthy so he can boost his value while making 9m on a QO.


If he gets traded there are a lot of questions for him and he has to go through adjust to a new club again while having no control of the destination in a contract year for himself

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I am sure Debrincat would love to stay too.

Question is how long does he want to stay.

He won’t have to move his family around for a year and gets to pick his destination in the summer , + sens are going to be a good team if healthy so he can boost his value while making 9m on a QO.


If he gets traded there are a lot of questions for him and he has to go through adjust to a new club again while having no control of the destination in a contract year for himself

I've had this thought a lot when these come up and that's my opinion of what John Tavares did. Strung em along so he didn't have to take a 2 or 3 month term with another team he has no intention of signing with.

None of this makes sense though. He wants to stay but won't negotiate? That's contradictory.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I've had this thought a lot when these come up and that's my opinion of what John Tavares did. Strung em along so he didn't have to take a 2 or 3 month term with another team he has no intention of signing with.

None of this makes sense though. He wants to stay but won't negotiate? That's contradictory.

I'd think the preference are, in this order:

1. Get traded to Detroit, Dallas, Vegas, Florida or Nashville with an 8-year extension
2. Stay in Ottawa next season and hit UFA in 2024
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3. Get traded somewhere without an extension and hit UFA in 2024

 

[swiftwin]

I'll take Friedman and Garrioch's word over Steve Warne, a former morning radio host with no track record of any NHL connections. But you believe what you want. Debrincat loves Ottawa. He doesn't want to be anywhere else. He just doesn't want to sign here, or even discuss signing here.

And I can fully believe that DBC likes DJ Smith and loves his teammates but would still rather be in Detroit, Dallas, Nashville, Florida or Vegas.

Don't worry, I'm not shitting on or blaming DJ. When DBC is in Nashville and DJ is announced as their new assistant coach in 2025, he'll be thrilled.

Once again, you are just making an assumption that he would rather be in those cities than Ottawa.

At the end of the day, it could very well be about money. If we can't offer more than $8x8 (for example), and DeBrincat believes he could get (alot) more elsewhere, then it makes sense that he wouldn't negotiate with us.

It has nothing to do with preferring those cities over Ottawa. He said it himself, that it was difficult to move cities with a young family.

 

[Cosmix]

I've had this thought a lot when these come up and that's my opinion of what John Tavares did. Strung em along so he didn't have to take a 2 or 3 month term with another team he has no intention of signing with.

None of this makes sense though. He wants to stay but won't negotiate? That's contradictory.

I don't think Debrincat or his agent said Debrincat wants to say and sign in Ottawa. I think he said that he had not made a decision yet and wanted some time to consider all of his options.

Now we hear that his agent advised the Senators that he did not want to discuss contracts until the ownership situation is sorted out and that he has submitted a list of teams to the Senators that he would be willing to be traded to (presumably to consider long term offers from them).

We have not heard anything of substance from Dorion such as if a contract offer has been made and rejected by Debrincat. We only get the "considering all options" response.

I don't think this is going to end well for the Senators even though Dorion will spin it as a win.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Once again, you are just making an assumption that he would rather be in those cities than Ottawa.

At the end of the day, it could very well be about money. If we can't offer more than $8x8 (for example), and DeBrincat believes he could get (alot) more elsewhere, then it makes sense that he wouldn't negotiate with us.

It has nothing to do with preferring those cities over Ottawa. He said it himself, that it was difficult to move cities with a young family.

Obviously it has something (a lot) to do with money. That's one of the main benefits of playing in a place like Dallas or Vegas, and why it's not surprising he'd rather be there for the next 8 years. Who said anything different? In terms of the reasons of why guys want to be there, no income tax is almost certainly #1 on the list.

Nobody is saying he'd rather be in Sunrise because the roads are in better shape than in Ottawa. When I say "he'd rather be in Vegas than Ottawa", I'm not talking about his architectural preferences. Money is a big part of the equation.

Ottawa is a great city. People like it here. I do. I'm sure Debrincat had a nice time last season. I think he lived in Westboro. Westboro is cool. I'm not ragging on Ottawa, the city.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd think the preference are, in this order:

1. Get traded to Detroit, Dallas, Vegas, Florida or Nashville with an 8-year extension
2. Stay in Ottawa next season and hit UFA in 2024
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3. Get traded somewhere without an extension and hit UFA in 2024

Ya makes sense. He's willing to stay for the season but not negotiate an extension. Definitely a scenario that shouldn't be considered imo.

I don't think Debrincat or his agent said Debrincat wants to say and sign in Ottawa. I think he said that he had not made a decision yet and wanted some time to consider all of his options.

Now we hear that his agent advised the Senators that he did not want to discuss contracts until the ownership situation is sorted out and that he has submitted a list of teams to the Senators that he would be willing to be traded to (presumably to consider long term offers from them).

We have not heard anything of substance from Dorion such as if a contract offer has been made and rejected by Debrincat. We only get the "considering all options" response.

I don't think this is going to end well for the Senators even though Dorion will spin it as a win.

Yes, similar to what Dave said, he's likely willing to stay for the season and probably for self serving needs of not moving twice.

I agree too, this isn't going to end well from an assets stand point from the trade itself, I just hope we can come out of it with the cap space used wisely.

 

[BondraTime]

I really want to stay in Ottawa.

I just don’t want to discuss a contract that’s needed to do that…

Feel like I’m taking crazy pills

 

[SensFactor]

If we could somehow get Jaros from Nashville in any Debrincat trade that would be ideal...down side he only has 2 years to UFA

 

[Hale The Villain]

If we could somehow get Jaros from Nashville in any Debrincat trade that would be ideal...down side he only has 2 years to UFA

If Nashville is trading for DeBrincat they would be trying to pull off a quick re-tool and go for the playoffs next year, so I think Saros would be staying to help with that.

Regardless we shouldn't trade for Saros with only 2 years left on his deal. Would likely just be created a similar situation to the one we're in with DeBrincat but for next summer with Saros.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Lol, wtf.

I don't get the argument. What about ownership could he be concerned about?

From the sound of the article, it makes it seem like a long term deal isn't on the table for him.

I think it made it pretty clear it was about organization change.

 

[Que]

I don’t really trust Warne, but if he’s right… is there maybe one solution? Trade Batherson.

So would you rather sign DeBrincat to a 8x8 extension and trade Batherson for depth (presumably more leverage) or;

Trade DeBrincat for futures and deal with Batherson in 3 seasons (definitely less leverage).

I’d trade Drake myself, but I assume this is all a load of poop.

 

[Masked]

I'll take Friedman and Garrioch's word over Steve Warne, a former morning radio host with no track record of any NHL connections.

I'd take Warne's word over Garrioch's any day. Warne is one of the best guys in the local media. I don't doubt he has sources locally who are friends or friendly with him. Meanwhile, Garrioch is an unpleasant oaf who is a useful tool for his "sources".

Assen na yo!

 

[DaveMatthew]

I'd take Warne's word over Garrioch's any day. Warne is one of the best guys in the local media. I don't doubt he has sources locally who are friends or friendly with him. Meanwhile, Garrioch is an unpleasant oaf who is a useful tool for his "sources".

Assen na yo!

DeBrincat indicated at season's end he's definitely open to anything, but reportedly isn't prepared to sign long-term here – not until he sees what happens with ownership and, by extension, management and coaching. The source isn't certain if that's accurate...

You'd think a source that spoke so confidently about Debrincat's desires would know if that report was accurate.

But alas... they do not!

I'd venture to guess the source is local guy and former teammate Calvin De Haan and Warne asked him a couple general questions while buying beers at Ridge Rock (which is a great spot).

 

[DJB]

I'd take Warne's word over Garrioch's any day. Warne is one of the best guys in the local media. I don't doubt he has sources locally who are friends or friendly with him. Meanwhile, Garrioch is an unpleasant oaf who is a useful tool for his "sources".

Assen na yo!

Bruce gets crapped on so much around here but he has legit sources

Warne is a fluff piece put out by the agent

 

[Masked]

Bruce gets crapped on so much around here but he has legit sources

Warne is a fluff piece put out by the agent

Why would an agent go to Warne? They go to Garrioch if they want to put a word out that will be repeated as is without any critical thought put into what's being said.

Assen na yo!

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think it made it pretty clear it was about organization change.

I don't feel like that makes it clear though. What specifically does that impact? Potentially traded and he doesn't want that? Won't work for anyone but who's here now? Cares about cap spending commitments? It's too open ended to me to carry much weight and feels like either damage control, or he just wants to stay for the year and pick this up next summer, but that's just not fair, since all the risk lands on the team in that scenario.

But it doesn't matter much imo. This doesn't change anything even if it can be believed. He either needs to negotiate an extension now or he needs to be dealt.

 

[DJB]

Why would an agent go to Warne? They go to Garrioch if they want to put a word out that will be repeated as is without any critical thought put into what's being said.

Assen na yo!

Because Bruce is writing the opposite? Why would he change his stance ?

The agent will go elsewhere to someone else

 

[Ice-Tray]

This is starting to sound like Tkachuk all over again in here.

Everyone thinks they know what’s going to happen because they spent an hour crafting trade proposals.

The reality is that owners often get involved with players, and speak to the big contract guys.

Maybe DBC wants to get a sense that new ownership likes the make up and wants him as part of the group.

EK didn’t want to sign a long term deal without trade protection because he didn’t want to be traded to a destination that he didn’t want to be in, and it makes sense here that DBC may not want to sign a long term deal with no trade protection until he can get some assurances from new ownership that they like the direction.

For a guy on the brink of his biggest deal, and the place he will raise his family, and being purportedly a family first type of guy, this could be a serious consideration.

Sounds like good news for those of us who like him as a player. Either way we should know soon who the owner is……….


……… hahahahahahahahahah!

 

[DaveMatthew]

Why would an agent go to Warne? They go to Garrioch if they want to put a word out that will be repeated as is without any critical thought put into what's being said.

Assen na yo!

Warne's article is a bit of a conundrum though, isn't it?

The "source" claims Debrincat likes DJ and loves his teammates (which I don't doubt!), but he wants to get a long-term deal on his next contract and isn't sure he fits into Ottawa's future plans.

But Dorion has come out and said that they want to offer Debrincat an 8-year extension, which means they do in fact see him in their future plans.

Meanwhile, Debrincat's agent has said he doesn't want to negotiate an extension at this time.

So he wants a long-term extension, he wants it from Ottawa, Ottawa wants to give it to him... but he doesn't want to talk to them about it...

Perhaps Debrincat's agent has sniffed out that Dorion will be fired as soon as new ownership takes over and doesn't believe he has any real authority to tell DBC that he'll be here for 8 years. That, I guess, is the most plausible explanation I've heard.

"Why am I going to talk to the guy who'll be fired in 2 months?"

Which is a shame, I guess.

 

[BondraTime]

One goes against everything that’s unfolding, and being reported by National insiders, and is from someone who usually doesn’t (never?) have Sens inside stuff.

One is from the guy, that as oafish as he is, has had Sens inside information for the past 20 years, has had the inside track on all the Sens Sale information, and had been writing about DBC’s intent for the the past 5 months, that seems to have proven correct based on everything we see unfolding, and being reported by National pundits.