Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[Cosmix]

Nashville fan here, you guys need to forget about Saros, if we're dealing him we need a legitimate defense or center prospect/young player or a top 5 pick. Ottawa fans scoffed at Sanderson, but that is the quality of prospect we are looking for in a move for Saros. Apparently our ask from LA at the deadline was 2 1sts + prospects, the ask is high.

As for DeBrincat, we've got Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell at wing and Parssinen and Novak who can play center and wing.

I think Debrincat either wants Detroit (where he and his wife are from) or sunny climates (Florida, LA, Seattle, LV).

 

[SpezDispenser]

Yes, unfortunate in hindsight for sure. At least Chychrun appears excited to be in Ottawa. He was practically crying in his interview after getting here. Cat on the other hand never once gave off the vibe that he was happy to be in Ottawa and looking back, barely seemed motivated enough to give the standard ufa lip service.

I like to give credit to Dorion when it's warranted, but he should have known to the nth degree about this scenario. I hope he knows more about Chychrun than he does about DBC, let's put it that way.

Nashville fan here, you guys need to forget about Saros, if we're dealing him we need a legitimate defense or center prospect/young player or a top 5 pick. Ottawa fans scoffed at Sanderson, but that is the quality of prospect we are looking for in a move for Saros. Apparently our ask from LA at the deadline was 2 1sts + prospects, the ask is high.

As for DeBrincat, we've got Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell at wing and Parssinen and Novak who can play center and wing.

It doesn't make sense about DBC to Nashville anyway unless he specifically says he wants to go there. It would be a waste of assets for Nashville.

And...it burns my eyes to see Sanderson's name in anything. I get what you're saying, but we should never talk about Saros and Sanderson again.

 

[Silencio]

Yes, unfortunate in hindsight for sure. At least Chychrun appears excited to be in Ottawa. He was practically crying in his interview after getting here. Cat on the other hand never once gave off the vibe that he was happy to be in Ottawa and looking back, barely seemed motivated enough to give the standard ufa lip service.

Well one player had asked for a trade and was happy to finally be out of Arizona, the other one wanted to stay in Chicago. So not really a surprise that their reactions would be different. And FWIW DeBrincat appeared to be warming up to and getting more comfortable in Ottawa as the season progressed, he even said as much in his end of season interview. And from the quotes and stories etc I've heard DBC at least seems to be a good teammate and is well liked in the locker room.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I like to give credit to Dorion when it's warranted, but he should have known to the nth degree about this scenario. I hope he knows more about Chychrun than he does about DBC, let's put it that way.

Yes, I think Dorion needs to wear this one, but I'll wait for the return (and the use of extra cap space) before passing judgement.

If we do okay assets wise and have a solid playoff looking squad come training camp, I won't care much.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Yes, I think Dorion needs to wear this one, but I'll wait for the return (and the use of extra cap space) before passing judgement.

If we do okay assets wise and have a solid playoff looking squad come training camp, I won't care much.

I think we'll be in good shape, honestly we need to fill 5 spaces. Change DBC, 2 third liners who can move up and a 3rd pairing D-man and a goalie upgrade. If we're smart and lucky a DBC trade can wipe out half of those needs in one shot.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well one player had asked for a trade and was happy to finally be out of Arizona, the other one wanted to stay in Chicago. So not really a surprise that their reactions would be different. And FWIW DeBrincat appeared to be warming up to and getting more comfortable in Ottawa as the season progressed, he even said as much in his end of season interview. And from the quotes and stories etc I've heard DBC at least seems to be a good teammate and is well liked in the locker room.

For sure they were very different situations. Chychrun referenced his family be ecstatic about it too while DeBrincat just seemed reserved with his comments.

I have no doubt he's a good teammate, and he may even have been open to staying, who knows, but I never got the good vibes about it from his soundbites.

 

[SENStastic]

Nashville fan here, you guys need to forget about Saros, if we're dealing him we need a legitimate defense or center prospect/young player or a top 5 pick. Ottawa fans scoffed at Sanderson, but that is the quality of prospect we are looking for in a move for Saros. Apparently our ask from LA at the deadline was 2 1sts + prospects, the ask is high.

As for DeBrincat, we've got Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell at wing and Parssinen and Novak who can play center and wing.

Ah ok, I was proposing going for Saros as part of a DC trade since that is a rumoured preferred destination for him, making an extension as part of a trade more likely and upping his return value. If Nashville has no interest in a winger then I guess we wouldn't make good partners from the get go as DC has to be the main piece. Kinda sucks, but we're in no position to give away Sanderson or multiple 1sts at this point. Thanks for the input.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think we'll be in good shape, honestly we need to fill 5 spaces. Change DBC, 2 third liners who can move up and a 3rd pairing D-man and a goalie upgrade. If we're smart and lucky a DBC trade can wipe out half of those needs in one shot.

Agreed. I really hope they make a savvy move in goal. Don't want to break the bank, but we need more than the turd nugget Talbot gave us this year.

And I'm hoping we can also strengthen the 4th line a bit as well, and toughen up the bottom D pair, likely pushing Brannstrom out or as the 7th guy. Kelly was the shits in particular and Brass is probably not brought back. Formenton I don't buy will be back. Norris will be a question mark. Just need more depth in general.

 

[Soundgarden]

I like to give credit to Dorion when it's warranted, but he should have known to the nth degree about this scenario. I hope he knows more about Chychrun than he does about DBC, let's put it that way.


It doesn't make sense about DBC to Nashville anyway unless he specifically says he wants to go there. It would be a waste of assets for Nashville.

And...it burns my eyes to see Sanderson's name in anything. I get what you're saying, but we should never talk about Saros and Sanderson again.

I mean, that's how we feel when we see Saros' name in talks with DeBrincat. He's a Vezina level goalie in his prime making half of what Vasilevsky does.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Looking forward to watching DBC score 40 goals with another team while we force some 3rd liner onto the 2nd line who will struggle to net 20 himself.

DeBrincat could hit 40G again if he gets to play alongside an elite sniper, but to be fair the 8M in cap space he'd get to play on the 2nd line and 2nd PP could certainly be used for more than a single 3rd line forward.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I mean, that's how we feel when we see Saros' name in talks with DeBrincat. He's a Vezina level goalie in his prime making half of what Vasilevsky does.

We would love Saros. 100%. Either way, Sanderson is off the table. Same would go for Stutzle and Tkachuk.

Sanderson is already our best dman and he just played season 1 as a 20 year old. He is a stud top pairing d man in the making and goalies just typically don't garner the same sort of value, even as good as Saros.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I mean, that's how we feel when we see Saros' name in talks with DeBrincat. He's a Vezina level goalie in his prime making half of what Vasilevsky does.

Difference is that Saros is a UFA in 2 years while Sanderson will be able to be team-controlled for an additional 5-10 years.

They aren't comparable assets. One is far far more valuable than the other.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Agreed. I really hope they make a savvy move in goal. Don't want to break the bank, but we need more than the turd nugget Talbot gave us this year.

And I'm hoping we can also strengthen the 4th line a bit as well, and toughen up the bottom D pair, likely pushing Brannstrom out or as the 7th guy. Kelly was the shits in particular and Brass is probably not brought back. Formenton I don't buy will be back. Norris will be a question mark. Just need more depth in general.

We must. We need 2 3rd liners who can move up and down the lineup. One on the left of Pinto and one on the right. And then we need 1 more player to go with Joseph and Kastelic on line 4.

Must, must, must. We shouldn't have our year ended by any injury this year please.

And Andersen or someone of the equivalent.

I mean, that's how we feel when we see Saros' name in talks with DeBrincat. He's a Vezina level goalie in his prime making half of what Vasilevsky does.

Yeah, I wouldn't dream of that from Nashville's POV. DBC is an asset for a team who fancies themselves a piece or 2 away from a Cup and has assets. Unless he signs, which I don't see why he would at this point.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

We must. We need 2 3rd liners who can move up and down the lineup. One on the left of Pinto and one on the right. And then we need 1 more player to go with Joseph and Kastelic on line 4.

Must, must, must. We shouldn't have our year ended by any injury this year please.

And Andersen or someone of the equivalent.

100%. Biggest thing this team needs is quality depth. Not just depth.

And who is Anderson? Please don't say Craig Anderson...

 

[SpezDispenser]

100%. Biggest thing this team needs is quality depth. Not just depth.

And who is Anderson? Please don't say Craig Anderson...

Frederik Andersen.

Yep, quality depth that can move up the lineup and not look too out of place.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Frederik Andersen.

Yep, quality depth that can move up the lineup and not look too out of place.

Oh snap, guess I should have known from the spelling. I like that idea. Was scared you were talking about bringing Andy back.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Oh snap, guess I should have known from the spelling. I like that idea. Was scared you were talking about bringing Andy back.

I don't think we can afford Andersen and he's getting old, but talk about a nice 1-2 punch with Forsberg. 10 steps up from Puff the Magic Talbot.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think we can afford Andersen and he's getting old, but talk about a nice 1-2 punch with Forsberg. 10 steps up from Puff the Magic Talbot.

Ya never know. Does sound like Dorion is in the market either way. And glad they aren't revisiting Talbot. What a disaster he was this year.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nashville fan here, you guys need to forget about Saros, if we're dealing him we need a legitimate defense or center prospect/young player or a top 5 pick. Ottawa fans scoffed at Sanderson, but that is the quality of prospect we are looking for in a move for Saros. Apparently our ask from LA at the deadline was 2 1sts + prospects, the ask is high.

As for DeBrincat, we've got Forsberg, Duchene, Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell at wing and Parssinen and Novak who can play center and wing.

Forberg is the only player better on that list.

 

[Soundgarden]

Difference is that Saros is a UFA in 2 years while Sanderson will be able to be team-controlled for an additional 5-10 years.

They aren't comparable assets. One is far far more valuable than the other.

I get that, but also I think you're underestimating how good Saros is and how likely it is he re-signs for you, we got one point away from the playoffs almost entirely because he stood on his head for us and if you get two good runs with the team you have now I think he'd re-sign.

With you guys missing the playoffs for six seasons I think it'd be the perfect fit.

Moot point though, you guys don't want to move Sanderson and we don't want to move Saros, just speculating.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I get that, but also I think you're underestimating how good Saros is and how likely it is he re-signs for you, we got one point away from the playoffs almost entirely because he stood on his head for us and if you get two good runs with the team you have now I think he'd re-sign.

With you guys missing the playoffs for six seasons I think it'd be the perfect fit.

Moot point though, you guys don't want to move Sanderson and we don't want to move Saros, just speculating.

How about Chabot for Saros? That's probably easier to stomach for Sens fans.

Then we could go out and nab Karlsson as an upgrade potentially, albeit extremely unlikely.

 

[Soundgarden]

How about Chabot for Saros? That's probably easier to stomach for Sens fans.

Then we could go out and nab Karlsson as an upgrade potentially, albeit extremely unlikely.

IMO, I'd want someone younger if we're moving Saros.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

IMO, I'd want someone younger if we're moving Saros.

Ya that's reasonable. Saros' contract situation is unfortunately bound to make Ottawa fans nervous and limit what they're willing to give up.

Greig, Ostapchuk, Thomson/JBD/Brannstrom and a 1st move the needle? I'd happily do something like that for Saros.

We've moved a lot of pieces out over the years and if there's one thing I've come to realize and accept, it's that you rarely get back one piece of similar value, especially with contracts looming. Basically everyone we dealt (Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone, Duchene, Etc.) went for multiple lesser pieces being magic beans, or just lesser pieces in general like the Hoffman trade.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Ya that's reasonable. Saros' contract situation is unfortunately bound to make Ottawa fans nervous and limit what they're willing to give up.

Greig, Ostapchuk, Thomson/JBD/Brannstrom and a 1st move the needle? I'd happily do something like that for Saros.

We've moved a lot of pieces out over the years and if there's one thing I've come to realize and accept, it's that you rarely get back one piece of similar value, especially with contracts looming. Basically everyone we dealt (Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone, Duchene, Etc.) went for multiple lesser pieces being magic beans, or just lesser pieces in general like the Hoffman trade.

It won't move the needle for them and it shouldn't. Don't go hog wild trying to acquire a franchise goalie, they're tough to figure. Just sign someone like Andersen and hope that someone like Sogaard hits.

 

[Wondercarrot]

My dream scenario:

1. Trade DeBrincat to Nashville for Saros (or for assets to flip for Saros). He’s not a “hope he’s good goalie”, he’s elite.
2. Sign UFA Bunting between $4-5/season
3. Extend Sanderson at $8x8 for the 24-25 season.
4. Only players left for a longterm deal are Chychrun and Saros in 2 years. Cap will have gone about $10 million, and we can dump Joseph, which more than covers those.
5. Chase Cup for the next 6-7 years.

We’d have elite top 3 goaltending, a top 5 defence, & a fast physical high talent forward group with game breakers.

2023-24
$77.75 million +$5 million of dead space until next year $82.75

F- 51.9
Tkachuk 8.2 Norris 7.9 Batherson 5
Bunting 4.5 Stutzle 8.3 Giroux 6.5
Formenton 1.5 Pinto 2 Joseph 3
Grieg 1 Kastelic 1 ? 1

D- 20.8
Chabot 8 Chychrun 4.2
Sanderson 1 Zub 4.6
Brann 1 Kleven 1
? 1

G- 6
Saros 5
Sogaard 1