Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

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It won't move the needle for them and it shouldn't. Don't go hog wild trying to acquire a franchise goalie, they're tough to figure. Just sign someone like Andersen and hope that someone like Sogaard hits.
It won't now, but I'd wager that's in the ballpark of what they'll have to settle on in the end. The whole idea of premier player for premier player like was proposed is rare.

But yes, I can see why we'd aim lower. Saros is about the only guy I'd make the exception for. Maybe Demko too.
 
It won't now, but I'd wager that's in the ballpark of what they'll have to settle on in the end. The whole idea of premier player for premier player like was proposed is rare.

But yes, I can see why we'd aim lower. Saros is about the only guy I'd make the exception for. Maybe Demko too.
Demko I think you can get without shattering the bank personally. He's a name I would follow to see if he's available.
 
Demko I think you can get without shattering the bank personally. He's a name I would follow to see if he's available.
Ya I follow Vancouver a bit and it sounds like a no go. There was some talk in the media last year, but those actually plugged in to the team kept shooting it down. I'd suspect he would cost similar to Saros in part because of the extra year on his contract and being a bit younger.
 
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Ya I follow Vancouver a bit and it sounds like a no go. There was some talk in the media last year, but those actually plugged in to the team kept shooting it down. I'd suspect he would cost similar to Saros in part because of the extra year on his contract and being a bit younger.
Pass a doodle doo.
 
Difference is that Saros is a UFA in 2 years while Sanderson will be able to be team-controlled for an additional 5-10 years.

They aren't comparable assets. One is far far more valuable than the other.


and in 2 years Saros won’t be making $5 million anymore.

Ottawa just isn't an attractive place to play
From the current roster alone:
Tkachuk
Stutzle
Norris
Batherson
Chabot
Chychrun
Zub
Giroux

Disagree with you.
 


For all the "I'm sure it has nothing to do with Ottawa, he really does want to stay here, not wanting to talk extension with the Senators while being happy to do it with other teams he's never played for means nothing" folks.
 
and in 2 years Saros won’t be making $5 million anymore.


From the current roster alone:
Tkachuk
Stutzle
Norris
Batherson
Chabot
Chychrun
Zub
Giroux

Disagree with you.
Only signings at an age older than 21/2 were Zub and Giroux. Giroux being an obvious reason to sign here that most don’t have, being from there. Comparing a post ELC contract and soon to be UFA is apples to oranges.

To suggest that Ottawa isn’t at a disadvantage due to a higher number of players not wanting to sign there is naive. The top RFA/UFA’s, for the most part, with a few exceptions, aren’t signing in Ottawa.
 
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For all the "I'm sure it has nothing to do with Ottawa, he really does want to stay here, not wanting to talk extension with the Senators while being happy to do it with other teams he's never played for means nothing" folks.

I can't grasp the context here. Was there an implication from Dreger that DeBrincat's reasoning for wanting out is the coach? Who is Methot accusing of being gutless?
 
I can't grasp the context here. Was there an implication from Dreger that DeBrincat's reasoning for wanting out is the coach? Who is Methot accusing of being gutless?
Methot believes that DBC is using the cloak of his role on the team to hide the real reason he wants out, being that he doesn’t want to stay in Ottawa.
 
Ya that's reasonable. Saros' contract situation is unfortunately bound to make Ottawa fans nervous and limit what they're willing to give up.

Greig, Ostapchuk, Thomson/JBD/Brannstrom and a 1st move the needle? I'd happily do something like that for Saros.

We've moved a lot of pieces out over the years and if there's one thing I've come to realize and accept, it's that you rarely get back one piece of similar value, especially with contracts looming. Basically everyone we dealt (Karlsson, Hoffman, Stone, Duchene, Etc.) went for multiple lesser pieces being magic beans, or just lesser pieces in general like the Hoffman trade.

No, we got a lot of quantity trading Ekholm, Jeannot, Granlund and Nino. If we're dealing Saros it's because someone's offering a Sanderson quality prospect/young player. Otherwise we stick with him until Askarov is ready.

Reportedly our ask from LA at the deadline was 2 1sts + prospects.

My dream scenario:

1. Trade DeBrincat to Nashville for Saros (or for assets to flip for Saros). He’s not a “hope he’s good goalie”, he’s elite.

Nashville isn't moving Saros for a winger.
 


For all the "I'm sure it has nothing to do with Ottawa, he really does want to stay here, not wanting to talk extension with the Senators while being happy to do it with other teams he's never played for means nothing" folks.

I don't get this line of reasoning at all. Debrincat's place in the top-6 isn't in question, and he was second on the team in PP minutes. He maintained these positions despite long periods of ineffectiveness. What more could DJ have done for him?

He would have had better linemates if not for the injury to Norris.
 
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Methot believes that DBC is using the cloak of his role on the team to hide the real reason he wants out, being that he doesn’t want to stay in Ottawa.
Gotcha, thanks.

Well, he may have a point and very well could be right, but who's he to say.
No, we got a lot of quantity trading Ekholm, Jeannot, Granlund and Nino. If we're dealing Saros it's because someone's offering a Sanderson quality prospect/young player. Otherwise we stick with him until Askarov is ready.

Reportedly our ask from LA at the deadline was 2 1sts + prospects.
Fair enough. I get it. We had to take quantity on everyone we dealt as well. Luckily, the Karlsson trade worked out as well as it did or we'd be fooked.

I will be shocked if you get a player of Sanderson's caliber for Saros though. Maybe we disagree on Sandy's value more than Saros. I see Sandy as a potential Norris winner one day and in year one is our best d man surpassing Chabot already, so pretty tough to let that go.
 
I hate free agency usually, but this might be a year to actively pursue a few guys. Not sure who though. Killorn would put us in cap trouble, so he's out and I don't know how many good, solid guys there are left.

We need to fill the roster in somehow,

Find the names you like on this list at 5 or under just as an exercise and create a list of potential targets in the order you'd want them and max budget you'd allocate to them

Bertuzzi
Tatar
Killorn
C. Brown
JT Compher
Paul Byron
Miles Wood
Erik Haula
Ian Barbashev
Pierre Engvall
Jesper Fast
Evan Rodrigues
Michael Bunting
...
 
I don't get this line of reasoning at all. Debrincat's place in the top-6 isn't in question, and he was second on the team in PP minutes. He maintained these positions despite long periods of ineffectiveness. What more could DJ have done for him?

He would have had better linemates if not for the injury to Norris.
Maybe he wanted more time with Stutzle and Brady? Top line no question play with the best 2 players, not 2nd line, sort of thing.
 
We're starting with the "diminished role" stuff again?

History may or may not repeat but it indeed does rhyme.
 


For all the "I'm sure it has nothing to do with Ottawa, he really does want to stay here, not wanting to talk extension with the Senators while being happy to do it with other teams he's never played for means nothing" folks.


Not sure what Methot is going on about.

If DeBrincat doesn't want to re-sign here because there's not a fit in the lineup, he's absolutely correct.

I've said this and I'll say it again - why would he want to re-sign here to play on the 2nd line and 2nd PP?

And why was he even acquired for so much to play that role for this team? Regardless of how one feels about the value given up to get him, he was never a fit here.
 
Not sure what Methot is going on about.

If DeBrincat doesn't want to re-sign here because there's not a fit in the lineup, he's absolutely correct.

I've said this and I'll say it again - why would he want to re-sign here to play on the 2nd line and 2nd PP?

And why was he even acquired for so much to play that role for this team? Regardless of how one feels about the value given up to get him, he was never a fit here.
I don't like how he speaks so definitively and accusatory. Like, if that's the reason given, who are you to say he's a liar Methot. Simmer down. It's basically a theory on Methot's part, but he can't say either.
 
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Not sure what Methot is going on about.

If DeBrincat doesn't want to re-sign here because there's not a fit in the lineup, he's absolutely correct.

I've said this and I'll say it again - why would he want to re-sign here to play on the 2nd line and 2nd PP?

And why was he even acquired for so much to play that role for this team? Regardless of how one feels about the value given up to get him, he was never a fit here.

Because it doesn't add up. Methot's right. "I don't want to even talk about an extension in Ottawa because of fit but I'm happy talking about an extension with teams and coaches for whom I've never played and where I have no idea how I'll be utilized."

The guy also averaged the 2nd most PP time on the team behind Tkachuk (just 3 seconds left), and for most of the season, the entire PP was designed around trying to get him a shot.

Giroux got over a minute less of PP time per game despite being a much better player.
 
From what I remember, he doesn't like playing on the right side. So he can't play with Tkachuk, either.
Gotcha. Well, can't win then I guess. Maybe he just expected a better center. I might not have been happy about playing with Pinto or Brassard primarily and may see it as a contributing factor to numbers dipping and thus future contract getting smaller.
 


For all the "I'm sure it has nothing to do with Ottawa, he really does want to stay here, not wanting to talk extension with the Senators while being happy to do it with other teams he's never played for means nothing" folks.

So ego or $. He wants to be on a team where he is more "the go to guy" He won't be 1LW on this team. I don't think he's throwing anyone under the bus.. Its just not the right fit here for him. I think that goes both ways.

Methot likes the edgy hot takes.
 
Gotcha. Well, can't win then I guess. Maybe he just expected a better center. I might not have been happy about playing with Pinto or Brassard primarily and may see it as a contributing factor to numbers dipping and thus future contract getting smaller.

Hopefully we send him to Columbus where he can play with Jack Roslovic and Babcock can scream at him for consistently missing empty nets.

End of the day, this will be a blessing in disguise. Based on his play + these "leaks", Debrincat is not a guy I'm paying if I want to win.

Might explain why Dorion was so cut throat about things in that last interview, when he usually sugarcoats everything about top players.

The opposite of Denis Smith. "Debrincat was not who we thought he was."
 

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