Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Hopefully we send him to Columbus where he can play with Jack Roslovic and Babcock can scream at him for consistently missing empty nets.

Lol. Ya, I certainly don't give a shit about his desires, we owe him nothing, just do what gets Ottawa the best deal.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Only signings at an age older than 21/2 were Zub and Giroux. Giroux being an obvious reason to sign here that most don’t have, being from there. Comparing a post ELC contract and soon to be UFA is apples to oranges.

To suggest that Ottawa isn’t at a disadvantage due to a higher number of players not wanting to sign there is naive. The top RFA/UFA’s, for the most part, with a few exceptions, aren’t signing in Ottawa.

Yes,
I don’t disagree with that, but that’s quite different than:
“Ottawa just isn't an attractive place to play”

 

[Micklebot]

I don't get this line of reasoning at all. Debrincat's place in the top-6 isn't in question, and he was second on the team in PP minutes. He maintained these positions despite long periods of ineffectiveness. What more could DJ have done for him?

He would have had better linemates if not for the injury to Norris.

He went from playing on the top line with Kane in Chicago to the second line with Pinto and a broken Batherson in Ottawa, what's not to get?

Next season he'd likely get an upgrade at center in Norris, but potentially at the risk of reduced pp toi.

It's not that DJ didn't do enough for him so much as the makeup of our top 6 has behind Tkachuk for the foreseeable future.

 

[BondraTime]

Yes,
I don’t disagree with that, but that’s quite different than:
“Ottawa just isn't an attractive place to play”

In the case of a 25 year old, soon to be UFA, grass is "usually" greener in the States.

A guy like Chychrun or Giroux with ties to the area is different than a guy like DBC . Ottawa is several tiers higher for the two local guys compared to DBC.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He went from playing on the top line with Kane in Chicago to the second line with Pinto and a broken Batherson in Ottawa, what's not to get?

Next season he'd likely get an upgrade at center in Norris, but potentially at the risk of reduced pp toi.

It's not that DJ didn't do enough for him so much as the makeup of our top 6 has behind Tkachuk for the foreseeable future.

Well put. And his numbers took a massive dip on the doorstep to UFA, which he's probably seeing at least in part due to the above.

Leaving Ottawa and having a big year next year in a better situation could be his best play financially.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Because it doesn't add up. Methot's right. "I don't want to even talk about an extension in Ottawa because of fit but I'm happy talking about an extension with teams and coaches for whom I've never played and where I have no idea how I'll be utilized."

The guy also averaged the 2nd most PP time on the team behind Tkachuk (just 3 seconds left), and for most of the season, the entire PP was designed around trying to get him a shot.

Giroux got over a minute less of PP time per game despite being a much better player.

That's only because Norris was out with injury almost all season.

DeBrincat isn't stupid. He knows Norris has the better shot and when he's healthy he'll be the shooting threat on the top PP, just like he was to start the season before getting injured.

There's also a issue with fit in terms of chemistry with teammates. He never developed a lot of chemistry with Batherson, who would be projected as his linemate for next season if he re-signed. Norris is primarily a shooter and isn't the playmaker DeBrincat needs to get him the puck.

We probably should have given DeBrincat a long stretch playing with Stutzle to try to development some chemistry with our top playmaker, but Stutzle and Tkachuk were attached at the hip for most of the year at even strength.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

He went from playing on the top line with Kane in Chicago to the second line with Pinto and a broken Batherson in Ottawa, what's not to get?

Next season he'd likely get an upgrade at center in Norris, but potentially at the risk of reduced pp toi.

It's not that DJ didn't do enough for him so much as the makeup of our top 6 has behind Tkachuk for the foreseeable future.

It’ll be addition by subtraction. His line mates weren’t the reason he kept shooting pucks into goalies chests or fumbling pucks.

It’s a good thing Debrincat has made this a real easy choice for Ottawa.

Signing him for 8 years would have been stupid. You’ll never win with a guy like him being one of your highest paid players.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

He went from playing on the top line with Kane in Chicago to the second line with Pinto and a broken Batherson in Ottawa, what's not to get?

Next season he'd likely get an upgrade at center in Norris, but potentially at the risk of reduced pp toi.

It's not that DJ didn't do enough for him so much as the makeup of our top 6 has behind Tkachuk for the foreseeable future.

I've been wondering if they could try Brady at RW with Tim and Cat.
(Probably) Doesn't matter now.

 

[Samboni]

I think that there’s a chance that DBC re-signs, otherwise he would have requested a trade.

 

[xVolchenkov]

If DeBrincat gets moved, I hope its for a Bratt/PLD/Konecny type return (3rd team would most likely be required for the last 2) with an extension in place on both sides.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think that there’s a chance that DBC re-signs, otherwise he would have requested a trade.

Pass it over here my friend!

 

[BondraTime]

I think that there’s a chance that DBC re-signs, otherwise he would have requested a trade.

That’s what he’s done essentially. You don’t send a list of teams you’re willing to go to as an RFA without any trade protection if you have any inclination of staying

 

[BankStreetParade]

Not sure what Methot is going on about.

If DeBrincat doesn't want to re-sign here because there's not a fit in the lineup, he's absolutely correct.

I've said this and I'll say it again - why would he want to re-sign here to play on the 2nd line and 2nd PP?

And why was he even acquired for so much to play that role for this team? Regardless of how one feels about the value given up to get him, he was never a fit here.

He was second among forwards this year in TOI/GP, just like he's been second among forwards in TOI/GP during his last couple of years in Chicago.

Also, if he signs an 8Y extension at an approximate AAV he likes, does it really matter if he plays 20 minutes per game or 19?

This is kind of a bizarre argument to make. He's looking for an 8yr deal at the max AAV he thinks he can get. A detailed breakdown of his TOI/G is certainly not front and center in negotiations.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

So, if DBC is traded, how many seasons was he here?

We’re going to pretend it was a big brain play to dress DBC for a year and then reap the rewards of his trade?

Do you honestly think PD only planned on having DBC for one season, even though he had a second QO year on his contract?

He thought DBC could fit right in, and could be persuaded to stay for the the second year, and agree to an extension……. Not being able to talk to him or his agent (tampering) before he became a Senator, there was no way to know his feeling on the matter……But now that his agent has submitted a 10 team trade to list, the writing is now on the the wall, he will be traded sooner or later.

 

[Senovision]

Detroit is obviously on his list.

The Detroit Red Wings make sense as a potential Alex DeBrincat landing spot​

DeBrincat scored 27 goals and 66 points in 82 games with the Senators in 2022–23.
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DeBrincat would become their leading goal scorer or at worst their second leading goal scorer next season if he gets traded to Detroit. You look at their scoring and Larkin got 32 goals, then old Dave Perron who will be 36 in May 2024 scored 24, and Kubalik at 20 goals. I think they would like his ability to score and if hometown ( Farmington Hills) means a lot to Alex, he would be pumped to play in Detroit and might even take a hometown discount on a contract extension to keep his salary below their captain Dylan Larkin who makes $8.7 million.

I wonder what the return would be from the Detroit Red Wings?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Do you honestly think PD only planned on having DBC for one season, even though he had a second QO year on his contract?

He thought DBC could fit right in, and could be persuaded to stay for the the second year, and agree to an extension……. Not being able to talk to him or his agent (tampering) before he became a Senator, there was no way to know his feeling on the matter……But now that his agent has submitted a 10 team trade to list, the writing is now on the the wall, he will be traded sooner or later.

We have no idea how many teams, he has on his list.

 

[BondraTime]

Do you honestly think PD only planned on having DBC for one season, even though he had a second QO year on his contract?

He thought DBC could fit right in, and could be persuaded to stay for the the second year, and agree to an extension……. Not being able to talk to him or his agent (tampering) before he became a Senator, there was no way to know his feeling on the matter……But now that his agent has submitted a 10 team trade to list, the writing is now on the the wall, he will be traded sooner or later.

No. That’s why the trade was shortsighted. The very real, and likely scenario that he would need to be QO’d at 9 and leave as a free agent was seemingly glossed over.

That’s not tampering, Chicago were literally letting teams discuss extension with teams prior to a trade. Just like the Wild did with Fiala a week prior before making the trade. Or the Sens did with Stone before trading up with Vegas. That’s the bare minimum you need to do before pulling a trade off like this.

You’re spouting nonsense.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He was second among forwards this year in TOI/GP, just like he's been second among forwards in TOI/GP during his last couple of years in Chicago.

Also, if he signs an 8Y extension at an approximate AAV he likes, does it really matter if he plays 20 minutes per game or 19?

This is kind of a bizarre argument to make. He's looking for an 8yr deal at the max AAV he thinks he can get. A detailed breakdown of his TOI/G is certainly not front and center in negotiations.

That's fair for TOI and PP time, but do players sit there and analyze those numbers or is he more likely to think, why did I play on the 2nd line with the 2nd tier forwards all year, one being a rookie center with 15 total assists and another being a washed up old Brassard?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

We have no idea how many teams, he has on his list.

True… thought I heard it was 10…. But yeah probably fewer

No. That’s why the trade was shortsighted. The very real, and likely scenario that he would need to be QO’d at 9 and leave as a free agent was seemingly glossed over.

That’s not tampering, Chicago were literally letting teams discuss extension with teams prior to a trade. Just like the Wild did with Fiala a week prior before making the trade. Or the Sens did with Stone before trading up with Vegas. That’s the bare minimum you need to do before pulling a trade off like this.

You’re spouting nonsense

Never heard that Chicago granted permission, for teams to communicate with DBC or his agent, prior to being traded… is there a source/link ?

 

[BondraTime]

True… thought I heard it was 10…. But yeah probably fewer



Never heard that Chicago granted permission, for teams to communicate with DBC or his agent, prior to being traded… is there a source/link ?

Of course Chicago granted permission to teams to talk to the player prior to a trade, that is quite literally the bare minimum, of any trade with a soon to be eligibly signed player.

The same way we are with DBC, or WPG is with Dubois, or NJ is with Meier and Bratt. It is the bare minimum with these trades.

The fact the Sens skipped this absolute bare minimum step of a big trade is mind boggling. Waiting until a week after a trade to even speak to the players agent.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

That's fair for TOI and PP time, but do players sit there and analyze those numbers or is he more likely to think, why did I play on the 2nd line with the 2nd tier forwards all year, one being a rookie center with 15 total assists and another being a washed up old Brassard?

If that’s his attitude then ship him out of here and don’t look back. Loser mentality. I doubt there’ll be all that much interest but get what you can and move on.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If that’s his attitude then ship him out of here and don’t look back. Loser mentality. I doubt there’ll be all that much interest but get what you can and move on.

I don't really agree with that, but I get the sentiment. He's a former multi 40 goal scorer that played with scrubs in comparison, so hard to blame him if it did rub him the wrong way.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Of course Chicago granted permission to teams to talk to the player prior to a trade, that is quite literally the bare minimum, of any trade with a soon to be eligibly signed player.

The same way we are with DBC, or WPG is with Dubois, or NJ is with Meier and Bratt. It is the bare minimum with these trades.

The fact the Sens skipped this absolute bare minimum step of a big trade is mind boggling. Waiting until a week after a trade to even speak to the players agent.

so you don’t have a source/link then…..

So you honestly believe that PD contacted DBC, and was told that he would not consider signing an extension….. and he made the trade anyways?

I find that hard to believe… surely you have a source/link..



I scrolled back and went through quite a few of the first pages of this thread, yesterday, and there is very little disagreement with the DBC trade, and no mention of any contact between the Senators and DBC prior to the trade.

 

[BondraTime]

so you don’t have a source/link then…..

So you honestly believe that PD contacted DBC, and was told that he would not consider signing an extension….. and he made the trade anyways?

I find that hard to believe… surely you have a source/link..

Jesus Christ, are you that dense? That’s not what I’m saying, at all.

Dorion, himself, said he never talked to Debrincats agent, and wasn’t going to until the week after the trade.

That is the issue. Full stop.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Jesus Christ, are you that dense? That’s not what I’m saying, at all.

You are stating, without evidence, that Chicago granted PD permission to talk contract extension with DBC prior to the trade.

that is exactly what you’re saying.